Conquer Club

Extreme Ways wrote:
There is only 1 kill per night in this setup, regardless of the matrix. If no kill is sent in by the mafia team, I will randomly choose a town member to kill but this should never happen given the time people will have to decide on an action.

pmchugh wrote:If Loose has done similar as town in previous games, I can withdraw my FOS which was based on him doing this as mafia last game. I do think it makes little to no sense but anyway.

DDS seems to have gotten more serious more quickly this game.

DirtyDishSoap wrote:One: I feel attacked.

Two: Can scum choose not to kill or does a random town die regardless of that decision?

Loose Canon wrote:Every game I've played I've suggested D1 what I think is best for town.
Even when scum or 3p.
I was town in the tick.

Currently I do believe with this game set up what I'm suggesting is best for town too, and you can see I will fight my corner for what I believe.

Argue against with reasoning please - that's all I ask.

pmchugh wrote:

Loose Canon wrote:Every game I've played I've suggested D1 what I think is best for town.
Even when scum or 3p.
I was town in the tick.

Currently I do believe with this game set up what I'm suggesting is best for town too, and you can see I will fight my corner for what I believe.

Argue against with reasoning please - that's all I ask.

Fine.

Let's do a pros and cons list

Pros of your idea
1. We know what actions people took even if they die without saying (and can speculate on the result)
2. Town could trick mafia, by not following your strategy when they said they would. Note; this invalidates 1.

Cons
1. People have to use their power sub optimally. They don't pick the person they think is scum for tracking or jailing, but a random they might suspect is innocent, they protect someone who mafia have no intention to kill, they block an obvious townie, etc.
2. Mafia can predict town actions and utilise it to their advantage, you would know who can't be protect who can't be investigated based on who is dead and who is mafia
3. If the Town PRs do not agree, then number 1 pro is invalidated

It just seems clear cut bad. It forces sub optimal power usage for a chance that you might be able to clear people based on speculation of what results they got while giving mafia full information on what town are doing.

DirtyDishSoap wrote:

Devante wrote:I will also say, as I'm not a town PR, hypothetically, I would also not go for this nonsense. Let's make a road map for the scum guys, genius. I have never seen someone try to get themselves killed day 1 as much as you LC. I am doubling down on my vote

Loose Canon wrote:1. Re no1 con
Mafia can talk day and night in this set up (and they probably are at least where they see a danger light)
(they might just be saying to each other say more or shut the f up at the moment - who knows - but they will be ready to spring into a volume of chat I can assure you of that
from just the night chat I was party to in the last game)
Town therefore has to assume what mafia are saying is as unreadable as the most unreadable of the 4 mafia players.
Therefore each individual Town Power player would have to be better at reading scum tells than the best of the 4 mafia players are at disguising the tells.
Random selection is probably better than tell/instinct selection early on.

(Also consider is it necessarily a bad thing if the Town Power Roles don't discover anything N1.
Yes they should disclose ASAP if they find something.
But might it not possibly be better if they investigated but didn't find anything N1 but did on N2 and lived to D3 to reveal?)

2. How do you think Mafia can predict town actions from what I am proposing?

I mean I don't think they actually can but maybe someone can explain how they can.

DirtyDishSoap wrote:Sigh, the day ends with a lynch regardless right? So I'm being forced to conform to your ways, is that it?! HUH?!

Unvote my joke vote.

Vote PMC. Mainly for the early attempt of Town cred with a list that's all too early to tell who is who.

This also may or may not be because he killed me in another game. I got your name too Charle! I DO NOT FORGET

Maxleod wrote:I smell like a 3 week old pizza

Loose Canon wrote:1. Town therefore has to assume what mafia are saying is as unreadable as the most unreadable of the 4 mafia players.
Therefore each individual Town Power player would have to be better at reading scum tells than the best of the 4 mafia players are at disguising the tells.

Kingm wrote:

Loose Canon wrote:1. Town therefore has to assume what mafia are saying is as unreadable as the most unreadable of the 4 mafia players.
Therefore each individual Town Power player would have to be better at reading scum tells than the best of the 4 mafia players are at disguising the tells.

Is really nobody going to comment this?
You guys that has probably played a lot more mafia games with LC then me, is this a real townslip, or is he "smart" enough to be scum and put in this weird townslip.
Because I find it really weird that the guy that says he has made some stupid algorithm about the matrix, don't actually read what it says under the matrix, its 12 townies 3 scum.

And the reason I call the algorithm stupid is because in a game of mafia you will never get everyone to tell the truth, no point in discussing if this would be good or not, its just naiv to think that something like that would work, and even if it did, would it even be valuable to us townies to know, I'm really not sure.

One other thing I'm also unsure about, is if the standard no lynch D1 is a good or bad thing in this game, ok right now we have really nothing concrete to go at all, but thats most likely also going to be the case for D2.
With a random lynch our chances of hitting a scum is just 20%, but it does not go any higher than 21.5% on D2 when scum has killed one of us.
But I don't like to lynch someone just to lynch someone, and right now I don't have anyone spesific in mind, so: unvote strike
Vote no lynch