my apologies, if i hadn't searched though the forum properly, its rare that i use it. thank you for showing me the error of my ways.
....and thanks jim for sticking up for me, much appreciated.

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PLACE A CONCISE DESCRIPTION OF THE SUGGESTION OR BUG IN THE SUBJECT LINE!!!

The dice ARE random, lots and lots of analysis has been done on them both internally and by community members.

Search for previous suggestion or bug reports and check stickies before posting something "new ...

sounds like fun, i'll play

what's the name of the group? how do i find it?

good move. i'm in !!