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Army of GOD wrote:

Night Strike wrote: Your entire diatribe still fails to answer the question about how a statement about Muslims is racist. Islam is a religion, not a race, so it's impossible to be racist towards a religion. Yes, the post was very probably a generalization/stereotype, but that has nothing to do with racism. Furthermore, I never once said I agreed with what this church group was doing in burning the Koran. I asked a simple comparison question about similar actions taken toward two different religions with very different responses to those actions. The fact that you see racism in a simple question about religion is pretty remarkable.

Don't worry, I already addressed that. It's not racism, but pretty bad bigotry, which is equally bad.

You essentially said "Muslims are angry and violent" which I think is equivalent to "Jews are greedy and selfish". Both of those statements aren't true, but they're still both offensive.

Night Strike wrote:

Army of GOD wrote:

Night Strike wrote: Your entire diatribe still fails to answer the question about how a statement about Muslims is racist. Islam is a religion, not a race, so it's impossible to be racist towards a religion. Yes, the post was very probably a generalization/stereotype, but that has nothing to do with racism. Furthermore, I never once said I agreed with what this church group was doing in burning the Koran. I asked a simple comparison question about similar actions taken toward two different religions with very different responses to those actions. The fact that you see racism in a simple question about religion is pretty remarkable.

Don't worry, I already addressed that. It's not racism, but pretty bad bigotry, which is equally bad.

You essentially said "Muslims are angry and violent" which I think is equivalent to "Jews are greedy and selfish". Both of those statements aren't true, but they're still both offensive.

Dictionary.com for bigotry: "stubborn and complete intolerance of any creed, belief, or opinion that differs from one's own." Statement was probably a generalization/stereotype, but not complete intolerance.

john9blue wrote:

BigBallinStalin wrote:

john9blue wrote:

AndyDufresne wrote:I don't think I see the logic that because some vague threatening they in the world burn American flags/Christian Bibles/United States Constitutions, that that perfect way to combat this is...with more fire! Yeah!

There is something also very alarming by the very existence of the question: "Why isn't it okay to burn the Qur'an?"

"Why isn't it okay beat up homosexuals?"
"Why isn't it okay rape women in Congo?"
"Why isn't it okay to assassinate rights workers in Russia?"


--Andy

There is a huge, huge difference between supporting an action and supporting someone's freedom to do an action. Learn this difference. There's no need to push your morality onto other people.

[fail]Yeah don't push your morality on me, it's my freedom-protected right to rape rights workers, beat up women in Russia and assassinate homosexuals in Congo. [/fail]

i made another post while you were thinking about how to respond to my first one. if you read it then you might learn about initiation of force and why the two are different.

Woodruff wrote:

BigBallinStalin wrote: "If you get down to it, you'll realize that white Christians are responsible for almost everything that is wrong with the world today.

I would have to strongly disagree with this statement. Power-mongers are responsible for almost everything that is wrong with the world today. Some Christians just happen to also be power-mongers.

Woodruff wrote:

tzor wrote:Second, the example of "burning books" doesn't really count as an example of anger.

Why wouldn't it?

tzor wrote:Simply put, the facts speak for themselves. Any attack on Christians generally gets mild protest by Christians.
Any attack on Islam gets riots in Indonesia. Make a funny movie ... RIOTS. Draw a silly comic ... RIOTS.
This really has nothing to do with terrorism, although like governments terrorists will exploit it.

I disagree...it has EVERYTHING to do with terrorism. It is the extremists who are doing the threatening over things like the silly comics. Christianity happens to have not nearly as many extremists any longer, and so not nearly as much is made of it.

tzor wrote:"Ohhh, the KKK is evil ... let's burn bibles."

This is a good case where the shoe is on the other foot. This is a clear call to the Christian Community to turn to someone who claims to represent them and say, "THIS IS NOT CHRISTIAN."

I'll lead the way.

THIS IS NOT 'CHRISTIAN'
THIS IS NOT 'AMERICAN'
IT EVEN SMACKS OF TERRORISM
THIS IS INSULTING TO MANY HONEST GOD LOVING MUSLIMS
WE NEED TO PROTEST THIS LOUDLY AND CLEARLY!

BigBallinStalin wrote: You'd think people would realize how similar we really are to one another, regardless of religion, race, financial status, and so on and so forth.

"FUckin idiots! How do they work?"

"We will burn Korans because we think it's time for Christians, for churches, for politicians to stand up and say no; Islam and Sharia law is not welcome in the US."

Maugena wrote:I am under the impression that you're the one that started this whole mess.

Night Strike wrote:

AAFitz wrote:

Night Strike wrote:

AAFitz wrote:

Nightstrike wrote:Why do Muslims make threats and violence whenever they are offended by an action such as depicting Muhammed or burning their bibles...

He is a racist. He simply enjoys confirming it on a regular basis. No doubt he will eventually go too far and embarrass all of Team CC in doing so. In my opinion he just has. In any case, I hope he truly believes what he wrote because on my signature its viewable 7500 times, unless of course its deemed racist and unfit for the CC forums, as I personally think it should be.

I would highly prefer that if you want to spread that I'm a racist around the forum via your signature you should at least include my actual comment and not just one half of the sentence. The full quote is

Why do Muslims make threats and violence whenever they are offended by an action such as depicting Muhammed or burning their bibles yet some countries do these same things toward Christianity on a frequent basis? If it's okay for Iranians to burn the bible and crosses, why isn't it ok for others to burn the koran?

but I would accept you just stopping at the first question mark. You can't cry racist if you have to edit the comment to make it fit your agenda. Same comment goes to AoG.

I made no comment about your quote in my signature. For all I know people think I agree with the sentiment. In any case, its a compound sentence and what comes after does not in any way minimize the statement made, which is that you think all muslims make threats and violence whenever they are offended. The reason you are presenting this ridiculous statement is irrelevant, its that you made it that is important.

You try to justify your hatred of muslims because muslims in other countries spew hatred and are religious fanatics. Well, I agree with you there. Religious fanatics are extremist fanatics, and in my opinion are bordering on psychotic. I have no problem saying that ANYONE of any religion that is out burning bibles has lost touch with the primary teachings of their religion.

I think you have completely lost touch and dont understand why people are arguing against such reprehensible posts as yours. I think you have somehow become so entrenched in a liberal vs conservative battle, you simply fight the conservative side without even thinking and assume anyone suggesting a liberal idea is a liberal and will fight for the sake of fighting. I think what you fail to understand, and have proven on a regular basis, is that people are simply arguing their opinion on the subject, and not trying to put a liberal spin on it. You also seem to think that as people defend hatred and racism against muslims that they accept and do not denounce hatred and racism BY muslims, which is not at all the case. The people fighting against racism, and hatred and stereotyping an entire group by the actions of parts of that group as you have done, are fighting against ALL hatred, racism and stereotyping, because in the end, these are the very foundations of all hatred, and all war. It is because we have seen history repeat itself, we have seen different groups fight and kill each other and often the only reason being that one little difference, which is that their parents were born in a different place, and they have a very, very, very slightly different genetic structure. It is because they want those muslims that do to end their bible burnings, their flag burnings, their hatred of jews or christians. They want those christians and jews that do, to end their koran burnings of muslims which only fuel the fire of hatred, and can only lead to more war, more killing, more hatred, and all...absolutely all of it is for absolutely nothing. All religions are based on making the world better and treating other people well. There are exceptions in every bible, but the overwhelming text preaches not killing people because you disagree with them, but that is exactly what some in every religion do, and thereby burn the WORD of their own bibles. Its of course easier to see this not being constrained by any one bible and not constrained by any technicality and seeing the rational side of the entire situation, which is why it is the liberals that tend to argue these points, more often than some conservatives, assuming we are talking about conservatives that are constrained by the Bible, and self-righteously assume that hatred, killing and war are justified if protecting its word, when its very clear, it preaches the exact opposite message.

So, Im sorry for that massive paragraph, but that is one thought, and one reason, and the main reason why your quote, which was very much a separate statement stands. Its because there is nothing you can write after that part of the statement to justify it, except perhaps, "this is an example of a racist and ridiculous stereotyping of an entire group, of which obviously not all members, or anywhere near all members are guilty of making threats or violence every time their bible is threatened."

Im sorry you said it too. Its beyond disappointing to read, as all the racist statements Ive seen you type have been. Ive been very, very fortunate to have been raised in a home with someone who actively fought against racism, and put himself on the line physically to fight the injustice of it. Ive been very fortunate to be surrounded by people who are educated and who understand the ridiculous nature of all racism. What I did not know is that there really were ignorant people out there like yourself, who will essentially push such racism and hatred, and in this case the clear goal being to simply push a political agenda. It is one of the main reasons I must leave this place, because while I truly hope the world is not as corrupt as it seems in here at times, it is very clear I will not be able to hold on to that delusion for much longer if I stay, and I very much would like to hold on to the delusion that people like you are no longer part of society. Had you retracted, or said you misspoke, that would be fine. No doubt Ive done the same a thousand times, but since you obviously are defending your statement, and somehow think the last part of the compound sentence justifies the first part, Ill leave what you wrote, and allow others to form their own opinions.

Your entire diatribe still fails to answer the question about how a statement about Muslims is racist. Islam is a religion, not a race, so it's impossible to be racist towards a religion. Yes, the post was very probably a generalization/stereotype, but that has nothing to do with racism. Furthermore, I never once said I agreed with what this church group was doing in burning the Koran. I asked a simple comparison question about similar actions taken toward two different religions with very different responses to those actions. The fact that you see racism in a simple question about religion is pretty remarkable.

2dimes wrote:

BigBallinStalin wrote: You'd think people would realize how similar we really are to one another, regardless of religion, race, financial status, and so on and so forth.

"FUckin idiots! How do they work?"

Good luck with that. I must note though. I've met great people everywhere I've been in the world but they'll be jerks too. Whitey hasn't got the monopoly on it.

HapSmo19 wrote:This is getting way too serious.

tzor wrote:
No this is not sterotyping and it's quite accurate. The average Muslim will get very angry when their faith is attacked. The average Christian only a lukewarm protest (if at that).

john9blue wrote:okay, just to get things straight: does anyone here believe that the man should NOT be allowed to burn the koran? if so, how should he be stopped?

2dimes wrote:

john9blue wrote:okay, just to get things straight: does anyone here believe that the man should NOT be allowed to burn the koran? if so, how should he be stopped?

The best way would be for a bunch of high lift suspension equipped 4x4s pulled up and take all the books and drove off playing heavy metal music.

Maugena wrote:

2dimes wrote:

john9blue wrote:okay, just to get things straight: does anyone here believe that the man should NOT be allowed to burn the koran? if so, how should he be stopped?

The best way would be for a bunch of high lift suspension equipped 4x4s pulled up and take all the books and drove off playing heavy metal music.

With the truck decorated with pictures of Jesus.
Also having it say, "Love thine enemy." Or whatever he said.

2dimes wrote:Yeah that works, here's the tune we'll be playing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyF8aIKTK4U