Let's celebrate San Francisco, California liberalism

[Juan_Bottom]

libtards are kicking ass in this thread. Where's Bradley?

[PLAYER57832]

so anytime an advertising/ marketing gets a great idea about how to generate business it has to be banned? well look at Joe the camel. yes I know cigarettes are bad for you.

And you are not aware that such advertising has been banned for some time?

We cannot shelter our kids from everything that is bad! you are not preparing them for the real world its a dog eat dog world out there and the faster kids realize that the better off they will be. Yes advertising can make a parents job harder and yes it can be a bad thing.

Kids are INUNDATED with advertising. Kids simply don't have the analytic ability to consider these things properly. "Exposing" them to this kind of advertising does not "help" them because they are not mature enough, don't have brains developed enough to consider this rationally.

Further, its not even just a matter of brains maturing. There is an important process that happens when kids begin to distinguish fiction from reality, fantasy from fiction. Kids NEED to believe in fantasy. This type of advertising plays on that in negative ways. That is why it is wrong. When I have to sit and explain to my son that "Ronald McDonald" is just trying to get us to buy products, there is something lost in his fantasy world. A small bit, yes, but kids today have to grow up way, way too fast.
Part of that is real experience, but part of it is that they are taken away from the ability to fantasize, to explore and learn to deal with their world way too early.

But hey guess what YOU GUYS ARE PARENTS YOU SIGNED UP TO RAISE A KID!!! AND THAT IS A LOT OF WORK!!! A LOT OF WORK( i am only 21 I do not plan on having kids i hate kids. however i have seen a lot of kids and parents and its a hell of a lot of work. i am not trying to undermined you parents i congratulate you on your fortitude this far.) but you did have a choice did you not?well and you made your choice now its time for you all to become responsible adults and live with your decision. ( player you seem like a good parent besides the whole liberal thing but you have time to work on that. )

EXCEPT.. if these kids grow up obese, it is not just he parents or even the child who will pay. It is society. It is you. That is why kids matter. That is why raising kids is and always will be partially a community responsibility. In small ways, absolutely. We don't allow parents to just decide to beat their kids within an inch of their lives any more.

In this case, a company is making huge profits off convincing very young kids to buy food that is bad for them. Is that OK or not? San Francisco decided "not". The rest of the country, so far, has decided its' OK.

And yes healthy food is more expensive but that is determined by the free market. it is cheaper to get things places when they have a longer shelf life. It comes down to how much it cost to produce it and no matter what we can not change this with out fucking up our economy more.

No, you are very, very wrong here. The price of food itself is only a very small part of the cost of what you eat. Mostly, you pay for packaging and transportatin. Even so, companies that sell "bad" foods get huge subsidies. Corn and sugar are two often cited as prime examples of poor agricultural policy in our country. Transportation is heavily subsidized (that's the ONLY reason it is "cheaper" to truck things across country that by rail, why our rail system has been literally decimated).

Second, even if it were true, allowing companies to profit by harming our kids is not good social policy. Ultimately, it harms us far more than the profits those companies get.

look at the shelf life of healthy food compared to unhealthy food which one last longer? but if something has a short shelf life there is more risk and human handling in selling it so it is going to be more expensive.

This could easily change. In Europe, for example, milk is sold in cartons that sit on the shelf. You can buy that kind of milk here, but it is not cheaper, it is MORE expensive than "regular" milk. Ditto meats, etc.

Not allowing mds to put a toy in there happy meals does not level the playing field at all if you truly wanted to level the playing field you would need price caps or price ceilings? do you really want that?

Its not just McDonald's, first. McDonald's is just the easy example. The rule is that you cannot give a toy with ANY unhealthy meal.

Being absolutely "level" is not the point. The point made by San Fancisco is that allowing companies to put in a toy weighs the scales too much in favor of the unhealthy options.

1. kids like rules and they like to bend them the reason for this is they are learning what they can and can't do the diffrance between right and wrong

2. if you say no to your kid and stick by it a. most licking they will throw a tantrum. you will get embarrassed if you are in a public place deal with it. however you should not at target i have more respect for parents who stick by there word!!!! now if you don't cave i guarantee next time around they will not throw a tantrum wow they will listen to you

3. Kids are sticky that is all. (that's why i hate them)

On behalf of ALL the parents here in CC ... LOL

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Does he need to use MLA notation to appease you as well? You're not doing your argument any favors with your Ad hominem attack anyways. I say this as a person that has read neither side. I just know that I could care less about the spelling and grammar police.