New Conqueror GLG Grats!!

[Chariot of Fire]

Natty - That's probably because your question is both leading and designed to create unnecessary antagonism. No one here is debating whether low-rankers should be protected - the premise of the whole debate is whether GLG is a worthy conqueror or not. So where exactly is your 'argument' to which you allude?

To appease your 'off topic' demand however, I'll answer it for you: "No: low ranked players are capable of deciding for themselves what kind of games they can play or who they can play against. We don't need to restrict their freedom just because some people are afraid someone may benefit from playing against them"

There. Happy? This is obviously the correct answer (and is probably not the one you were trying to eke out of someone). What does need to be done however is implementation of restrictions on an unscrupulous player's ability to invite (and dupe) unsuspecting players from joining private games at which they have very little prospect of winning. On top of this perhaps a little more information should be disseminated to anyone new to the site to make them aware that such practice goes on at CC. The exact same sort of information that would be given to you if you were about to buy shares, a house, whatever - i.e. the small print.

[QoH]

Natty - That's probably because your question is both leading and designed to create unnecessary antagonism. No one here is debating whether low-rankers should be protected - the premise of the whole debate is whether GLG is a worthy conqueror or not. So where exactly is your 'argument' to which you allude?

To appease your 'off topic' demand however, I'll answer it for you: "No: low ranked players are capable of deciding for themselves what kind of games they can play or who they can play against. We don't need to restrict their freedom just because some people are afraid someone may benefit from playing against them"

There. Happy? This is obviously the correct answer (and is probably not the one you were trying to eke out of someone). What does need to be done however is implementation of restrictions on an unscrupulous player's ability to invite (and dupe) unsuspecting players from joining private games at which they have very little prospect of winning. On top of this perhaps a little more information should be disseminated to anyone new to the site to make them aware that such practice goes on at CC. The exact same sort of information that would be given to you if you were about to buy shares, a house, whatever - i.e. the small print.

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[natty dread]

where exactly is your 'argument' to which you allude?

On this thread, on two of the other threads on the same subject that are in GD currently, maybe if you read back to these threads you'll find it somewhere. Or do you want links?

http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewto ... 3#p3527833
http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewto ... 0#p3527820
http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewto ... 7#p3527947

What does need to be done however is implementation of restrictions on an unscrupulous player's ability to invite (and dupe) unsuspecting players from joining private games at which they have very little prospect of winning.

So basically, you want low rankers to be able to play who they want, but you don't want high rankers to be able to play who they want?

So how is it going to be? Do high rankers need to ask their low-ranked friends to give them written consent in game chat, so they can prove that they didn't join against their will?

Also: If high rankers won't be allowed to play games against low rankers, then how exactly are low rankers free to play against high rankers?

On top of this perhaps a little more information should be disseminated to anyone new to the site to make them aware that such practice goes on at CC.

Will we hand them rape whistles while we're at it?

I agree though that more information should be given to new players. That's the key, let them know that some maps & settings are more difficult than others, and arrange all the maps into categories where you can choose from - conquest maps, really complex maps, standard gameplay maps, maps with unorthodox game mechanisms, etc. - and then they can make informed choices if they want to play those games.

However, simply adding more restrictions on who can play against who, on which maps & settings, would be a really bad idea. It's like if your house catches on fire and you pour 20 metric tons of concrete on top of it from a helicopter. Sure, it puts out the flames, but then your house is buried under 20 metric tons of concrete and how the fuck do you think you're going to get your car keys from under that shit?

[Chariot of Fire]

So basically, you want low rankers to be able to play who they want, but you don't want high rankers to be able to play who they want?

You're in the habit of drawing conclusions that have no bearing on statements made. Why do you do this?

I want all players to be able to play whoever they wish. Don't we all? What I don't want to see is abuse of the system - quite plain for all to see in this case - whereby an unscrupulous player (can be any rank, why did you stipulate 'high rankers'?) systematically - and this is the key word - invites players who are obviously unfamiliar with the map, settings and his modus operandi.

The guy is taking the piss - and laughing all the way to the top of the leaderboard at the expense of others because there is no mechnism in place to prevent such dubios tactics.

Therefore the only recourse left open to us for the time being is to publicly humiliate him for his nefarious ways. It might not stop him, but it may certainly deter others from adopting the same practice and turning this site into a farce.

[natty dread]

What I don't want to see is abuse of the system - quite plain for all to see in this case - whereby an unscrupulous player (can be any rank, why did you stipulate 'high rankers'?) systematically - and this is the key word - invites players who are obviously unfamiliar with the map, settings and his modus operandi.

So what exactly is wrong with that? Can't the players decide for themselves if they want to accept the invites or not?

Is it just because GLG gets easy wins by playing against less experienced players? You'd want everyone to work hard for their points, is that it?

How is that different from, for example, playing quads with an established team against randomly joining low ranks? They don't stand much of a chance either. Yet, they want to play those games, even if they lose. And people gain points from them.

Therefore the only recourse left open to us for the time being is to publicly humiliate him for his nefarious ways. It might not stop him, but it may certainly deter others from adopting the same practice and turning this site into a farce.

How exactly would this site turn into a farce? Aren't you taking virtual ranks a bit too seriously?

[demonfork]

So basically, you want low rankers to be able to play who they want, but you don't want high rankers to be able to play who they want?

You're in the habit of drawing conclusions that have no bearing on statements made. Why do you do this?

I want all players to be able to play whoever they wish. Don't we all? What I don't want to see is abuse of the system - quite plain for all to see in this case - whereby an unscrupulous player (can be any rank, why did you stipulate 'high rankers'?) systematically - and this is the key word - invites players who are obviously unfamiliar with the map, settings and his modus operandi.

The guy is taking the piss - and laughing all the way to the top of the leaderboard at the expense of others because there is no mechnism in place to prevent such dubios tactics.

Therefore the only recourse left open to us for the time being is to publicly humiliate him for his nefarious ways. It might not stop him, but it may certainly deter others from adopting the same practice and turning this site into a farce.

So the conclusion that one should draw based on your statements is that you are equally concerned with the prospect of a cadet systematically sending colonels invites to games/settings/maps that they are unfamiliar with just as much as if the inverse were true?

[jefjef]

He is playing the game he has paid $$ to play. He is playing the games within the allowed rules. He can't hardly be proud of the rank he has. I don't even see how the crap he plays is fun. But if he enjoys it so what.

Most anyone in the know hardly respects his game. His rank achievement. Is little shiny e-medal. I wouldn't want him in KOA either. KORT can have him - train him - carry him. (We all know what will happen to his rank once he starts playing a lot of team games in the clan world)

Long story short. CC has the right to decide what is gross abuse of the game. They declared he can play the games he plays. Let him. He knows we think it's sad - but to continually attack him is sad too.

[Commander9]

CoF:

There's no need to argue with an idiot - you are only likely to end up being one in the end.

Why would KORT want him?

Integrity, honour, milk, other means of sophisticated agriculture... You know.

[niMic]

(We all know what will happen to his rank once he starts playing a lot of team games in the clan world)

Let's be fair now. No one will stay conqueror while playing largely team games at a high level, which is what he'll be doing. I wouldn't expect him to drop too far, though.

[jefjef]

(We all know what will happen to his rank once he starts playing a lot of team games in the clan world)

Let's be fair now. No one will stay conqueror while playing largely team games at a high level, which is what he'll be doing. I wouldn't expect him to drop too far, though.

My statement is absolutely fair and accurate. You just echoed it.

[natty dread]

OMG I agree with jefjef. It's the end of the world as we know it...

[IR1SH ACE]

just want to jump in one more time here.....

to bring attention to the fact that this thread is called....New Conqueror GLG Grats!!.....
not another C&A/GD thread about GLG

now I have followed some of the other C&A and other threads dedicated to GLG/DH and although never agreed with/liked his tactic for gaining points I never felt the need to say anything, mostly because I dont give a shit and its not against the rules....

and if GLG had made conqueror and instead of "gettinhead", just kept his head down...then most of us would not care....
but this is not another thread about whether or not what GLG does is cheating/not....or another GD thread debating the ethics of what GLG does...

No this is a thread started so we the CC community could come in and leave our praise & gratitude for the all conquering GLG....
As if we should all aspire to this.....if KORT wanted to have an "Ass-slapping, High-five throwing congrats thread" for this wannabe player without any ridicule from the CC community then they should have just started this thread in there clan forum....

What exactly is GLG doing that is wrong?

He's playing games that are easy to him, getting easy points. He's playing against opponents with less experience and skill than him.

It may be cowardly, it may be lots of things, but it's not cheating. He's not forcing those low-ranked players to join his games. They do it out of free will. Are you people saying that people who have low ranks are not capable of making their own decisions? If that's the case, I think GLG actually treats the low ranks with more respect than you - at least he doesn't assume them all to be morons or children.

natty I agree with everything u say here and will admit that I find most of ur posts/arguments are always valid well thought out points..
but besides the one/two GLG stalkers in here I dont think anyone has mentioned that this is cheating....u seem to have taken up the gauntlet on this topic from some of the other numerous and ridiculous threads started about GLG...is it cheating/is it not?

maybe all these threads are just starting to all become a blur of the same stuff repeated over and over again and you are not even seen the titles anymore...

So you're saying the low ranks have to be protected from making their own choices?

(Why do you keep dodging this question?)

NO.....the world needs suckers without them then country's like Nigeria could not function....

but this is not the topic of this thread......New Conqueror GLG Grats!!....this is....

so my question is do u believe that our new conqueror deserves to be applauded and Congratulated for this feat of skill?

[natty dread]

maybe all these threads are just starting to all become a blur of the same stuff repeated over and over again and you are not even seen the titles anymore...

"Starting"?

so my question is do u believe that our new conqueror deserves to be applauded and Congratulated for this feat of skill?

Meh, I don't think anyone really deserves to be applauded for gaining a lot of imaginary points. Maybe a high five or "good for you", but this whole back-slapping circle-jerk of congratulations for whoever happens to be the top dog of the day seems kinda pointless to me.

Anyway... I don't think what GLG is doing is particularly praiseworthy, frankly I think it's kind of silly and I wouldn't enjoy playing games like that. However, I also don't think he's doing anything wrong, and I would never take away his right to play those games.

[Chariot of Fire]

We have differing perspectives natty. I come here for the games and a few posts. You come here for the forums and a few games (stats don't lie). It's this that perhaps makes you more tolerant of GLG's behaviour. The game is not as important to you as having something to say about it.

[natty dread]

We have differing perspectives natty. I come here for the games and a few posts. You come here for the forums and a few games (stats don't lie). It's this that perhaps makes you more tolerant of GLG's behaviour. The game is not as important to you as having something to say about it.

I see. I guess it's plausible that someone who doesn't care about the game would spend hundreds of hours free of charge creating maps for that game to be played on?

[Chariot of Fire]

yes, it is

[natty dread]

CoF, your post was nothing but an attempt to discredit my opinions by way of an ad-hominem attack. We can disagree, but don't claim that my opinions are less valid because my game count is lower. Some people don't enjoy playing hundreds of games at once, that doesn't mean they care any less about the game than you.

As for my post count, over 70% of my posts are posted in the map foundry. You know, that place where I contribute my time free of charge to improve this game.

In fact, I'm of the opinion I am because I care about this game and I don't want to see CC destroyed. I firmly believe that stricter farming rules would be extremely detrimental to CC. And I'm not alone with this belief.

[Gen.LeeGettinhed]

At the risk of ANOTHER 5 pages of BS being added (asked to have it shut down after 3) I'd like to address a few points:

1)Unscrupulous, Unethical? not against the rules. take your puritanical/fascist opinions to another website if you don't like the rules. The crap you all spew is trolling/baiting/flaming.
2)stealing 4-8 pts from people? the CC formula of (loser/winnerx20) puts me at risk of 9:1-25:1. . .900%-2500% so I offset that and don't like to lose, CC has created the formula we live with -- I'm just living with it
3)I never said I was a great player. You'd all like Conquerer to be the best player, but it's "most points earned/saved" -- and I do that well. I agree MC is the man, and many great players in top 50. But there are some amazing players in the major-brig ranks too.
4)"protect the children" - I haven't played ?-NewRecruits in years -- and when I did, AGAIN I asked legal #/% and kept below. THEN admin changed view. Also, MOST of my opponents have played 200-1000 games -- hardly Newbies when I've only played 1500. And like someone reminded us, 4 high rank vs lesser experienced is HUGELY "ranching"
5)Maps: the ones I chose do 2 thngs for me: minimize shite drops (you know: bonuses, 4/5-7/8 bonuses that you all complain about) and offset risk in #2 above. I found a way to avoid that.
6)my game settings: hey Carnivals and Casinos are set up to profit the house. Fine, I avoid losing propositions and give people that want a game NOW a game. Not tomorrow, not finish next week. . .NOW.
7)It seems some very good players and their friends don't like my style. Understood. but HUGELY intolerant, and again baiting/flaming/trolling. Say it once and move on -- or you drone/whine. Get in my Clan games, kick my ass. . .FINE
8 )Abuse of Free Speed games: I have not played ANYONE that was a Freemium a free speed game. You guys are lieing, exaggerating, distorting the truth.
9)Cowardly? in your opinon maybe. but I Don't see a lot of high ranks giving newer/lesser experienced people games. You all aren't stupid, you know the 9:1-25:1 risk involved AND AVOID IT, or offset it by 4v4's. Many of you claim "GLG drives them away -- loses premium players". BS, many I play and talk to turn into buyers. Far from driving people away, I posted 20 freindly comments over recent games in last C&A post. You all are making that crap up -- or totally distorting it.
10) I play this game like I'd run a business. For profit -- not to see who can beat me up. If I choose to enter a game with at Bazooka, Tank and Bomber on my side. . .well "success comes when preparation meets opportunity." I'm amazed how intolerant many of you are.
11) was there this much hullabaloo when xiangwang scored 4,000 pts in 100 games? jeez, such intolerance of other's perspectives.
12) Naysayers remind me of little kids with 2 cupcakes. they are mad because GLG has 3. Well, GLG traded his candybars for the third cupcake. Does that make more sense?

I've done my best to keep this rebuttal to all your negativism non-inflammatory -- in KoRT tradition. And again, in my opion: MC IS the man.

Moooo, GLG "full of bull"

[niMic]

We have differing perspectives natty. I come here for the games and a few posts. You come here for the forums and a few games (stats don't lie). It's this that perhaps makes you more tolerant of GLG's behaviour. The game is not as important to you as having something to say about it.

What an incredibly dickish thing to say.

[hmsps]

In fact, I'm of the opinion I am because I care about this game and I don't want to see CC destroyed. I firmly believe that stricter farming rules would be extremely detrimental to CC. And I'm not alone with this belief.

And that is your view. It does not mean to say that other views are wrong or less valid. You seem to keep biting on everyone that posts in this thread. We get it, you support what GLG is doing and can see nothing wrong in it. Don't take anything personally what COF is saying as none of it is directed at you, he is just expressing his opinion on what you have posted.

My opinion which has been stated many times and looking through previous threads when he was formally DH, we appreciate that no rules have been broken but what many people are questioning in this thread is why do we all have to be happy clappers and applaud someone who gains his points in the manner in which he does.

Time to let it go natty I think

[drunkmonkey]

what many people are questioning in this thread is why do we all have to be happy clappers and applaud someone who gains his points in the manner in which he does.

You don't. There are really three options:

1) Congratulate him.
2) Don't.
3) Be a dick about it.

This thread is about 10% #1 and 90% #3. The #2's, by rule, just don't post at all.

[hmsps]

We have differing perspectives natty. I come here for the games and a few posts. You come here for the forums and a few games (stats don't lie). It's this that perhaps makes you more tolerant of GLG's behaviour. The game is not as important to you as having something to say about it.

What an incredibly dickish thing to say.

Quite a large vocabulary u have

[niMic]

We have differing perspectives natty. I come here for the games and a few posts. You come here for the forums and a few games (stats don't lie). It's this that perhaps makes you more tolerant of GLG's behaviour. The game is not as important to you as having something to say about it.

What an incredibly dickish thing to say.

Quite a large vocabulary u have

[Chariot of Fire]

We have differing perspectives natty. I come here for the games and a few posts. You come here for the forums and a few games (stats don't lie). It's this that perhaps makes you more tolerant of GLG's behaviour. The game is not as important to you as having something to say about it.

What an incredibly dickish thing to say.

What, as incredibly dickish as, say, imposing a 21 game forfeit to win a challenge due to one mistaken game? GLG & CORT - a match made in heaven!

Natty - it wasn't a personal attack mate. I was just drawing parallels to how you spend your time on CC and how I do. Stuff like the scoreboard probably doesn't interest you that much and may be why you condone GLG's tactics. Your opinion is just as valid as mine, and more times than not you make very salient points with which I seldom have reason to disagree. Cheers

[niMic]

We have differing perspectives natty. I come here for the games and a few posts. You come here for the forums and a few games (stats don't lie). It's this that perhaps makes you more tolerant of GLG's behaviour. The game is not as important to you as having something to say about it.

What an incredibly dickish thing to say.

What, as incredibly dickish as, say, imposing a 21 game forfeit to win a challenge due to one mistaken game? GLG & CORT - a match made in heaven!

You're right, you're definitely over that