Should Britain rescue her captured sailors by force?

Stopper · Post by **Stopper** » Wed Apr 04, 2007 4:15 pm

rocky8179 wrote:Someone hits you what do you do?? Negotiate?? Fight back?? Run away?? Stand up for yourself??

This is what happened with Hitler before WWII. Most of us can agree that someone should've stood up to him sooner. They didn't.

We should stand up to Iran.

I will.

You won't.

Well, they appear to be coming back, now, after negotiation. That was revealed some six hours before you typed that. Keep up, there's a good fellow.

rocky8179 · Post by **rocky8179** » Wed Apr 04, 2007 4:18 pm

got tonkaed wrote:rocky...thast a fairly hardline stance to take against a nation. Comparing a nation who is willingly returner captured prisioners to Nazi Germany under hitler might be a stretch. In fact its just as easy to use your comparison of appeasement to America, our own country under a different light.

Sorry, didn't realize that Iran had released the sailors yet. Also, in my defense, I was just trying to make a comparison between the aggressive behavior of Nazi Germany and the behavior of Iran.

A comparison that I believe is well deserved.

Stopper · Post by **Stopper** » Wed Apr 04, 2007 4:23 pm

rocky8179 wrote:Also, in my defense, I was just trying to make a comparison between the aggressive behavior of Nazi Germany and the behavior of Iran.

Well, can I just say that that isn't really much of a defence - it's more what we call poor form. Haven't you heard of Godwin's Law?

rocky8179 · Post by **rocky8179** » Wed Apr 04, 2007 4:26 pm

Stopper wrote:
rocky8179 wrote:Also, in my defense, I was just trying to make a comparison between the aggressive behavior of Nazi Germany and the behavior of Iran.
Well, can I just say that that isn't really much of a defence - it's more what we call poor form. Haven't you heard of Godwin's Law?

Nope. Not till now.

*note to self: do not break Godwin's law in the future*

But, who else do you think I could compare that type of behavior too?? Everyone (well almost everyone) knows who Hitler and Nazi Germany are and what they did. If I referenced someone else like Mao they might not get the point i'm trying to make.

b.k. barunt · Post by **b.k. barunt** » Wed Apr 04, 2007 4:36 pm

hourman wrote:You do know that america has only like 20% of our military involved in Iraq and Afganistan that leaves 80% left .

20%???!!! Are you daft?! People died along the Gulf Coast in the aftermath of Katrina because there was virtually no national guard available. That wanker not only had the majority of our military over there, but also most of the freakin national guard! Where the hell do you get 20%? Please don't tell me that someone actually quoted those statistics on a news forum.

Stopper · Post by **Stopper** » Wed Apr 04, 2007 5:19 pm

rocky8179 wrote:Nope. Not till now.

*note to self: do not break Godwin's law in the future*

But, who else do you think I could compare that type of behavior too?? Everyone (well almost everyone) knows who Hitler and Nazi Germany are and what they did. If I referenced someone else like Mao they might not get the point i'm trying to make.

Well, the real point is, don't do it at all, unless it's absolutely relevant, say, if you're discussing WWII or something.

The fact of the matter is, the enormity of Hitler's (and Stalin's and Mao's) crimes will (hopefully) never be repeated again. However bad you think the Iranian regime is, it doesn't come anywhere near Hitler. So you'll just have to think (hard) of another analogy.

unriggable · Post by **unriggable** » Wed Apr 04, 2007 8:18 pm

This is what happens when you use diplomacy. Can you imagine the mess that owuld have ensued if we attacked?

Jolly Roger · Post by **Jolly Roger** » Wed Apr 04, 2007 9:02 pm

A hush appears to have fallen over the pro-invasion camp. They must be working hard on compiling their list of reasons why Iran should be attacked anyway and getting their little vials of anthrax ready to use as visual aids during their presentations.

Nobunaga · Post by **Nobunaga** » Wed Apr 04, 2007 9:46 pm

... They B Free! This is good news.

... Let us all thank the Iranian gnome for his wonderful "gift".

... (one has to wonder what the hell the Iranians were thinking. This was a stunt?)

Wind Warrior · Post by **Wind Warrior** » Wed Apr 04, 2007 9:54 pm

No they were probably hoping that the UK would attack them so they could call on the protection of the UN. and before you call them cowardly it was an actually smart thing to do as long as they didn't kill anyone. No offense to anyone but this war on iraq if you look at the history of wars this just like a civil war just on a more global scale where the US, UK, etc.. are the "evil" dictators (in their eyes) and Iraq, Iran, etc.. are the rebellion. So considering they don't have the military strength to fight the US UK headon they use guerilla warfare.

Nobunaga · Post by **Nobunaga** » Wed Apr 04, 2007 10:11 pm

... Yeah, I have to agree. "I'mADinnerJacket" (can't spell his name and too lazy to look it up, but sounds like, "I'm a dinner jacket")... anyway... He's a clever little gnome to be sure. I think he knew very well what the outcome of this thing would be.

... What did he lose? What did he gain? Methinks he gained more than he lost, seen as the man who stood up to the "Evil Empire".

... I'm just glad those Brits are free. Sickening to see them languishing while Blair spoke of "Diplomacy", and did nothing. I've read that he (Tony B.) fears the Muslim population in his own country.

spurgistan · Post by **spurgistan** » Thu Apr 05, 2007 3:50 am

Seems to me that the overall significance here is that Iran (and Moslems, certainly, but perhaps it's a bigger revelation with regards to Iran) doesn't reflexively hate us, and use any possible chance they can to kill innocents (which, of course, is forbidden in the Koran, but then it's not quite kosher to Christians, either, and that hasn't stopped us yet). They just need a little self-assurance from time to time, as humans do. Sure, taking what were probably British sailors innocent of any wrongdoing might not have been the best way to express that innate humanity, but whatever. The important thing is, it's over now, the Brits'll be home soon, Iran probably won a reprieve from nuclear Holocaust, and I have a pony. All is good.

spurgistan · Post by **spurgistan** » Thu Apr 05, 2007 3:51 am

Strange how people are still voting "yes" in this poll, after this crisis was resolved peacefully.

Guiscard · Post by **Guiscard** » Thu Apr 05, 2007 10:44 am

Nice day fer it too

Stopper · Post by **Stopper** » Thu Apr 05, 2007 12:17 pm

spurgistan wrote: The important thing is, it's over now, the Brits'll be home soon, Iran probably won a reprieve from nuclear Holocaust, and I have a pony. All is good.

You're telling us that you won £25 on the sailors' release? Betting on people's lives? How disgusting.

A pony = £25 in Cockney slang

flashleg8 · Post by **flashleg8** » Thu Apr 05, 2007 1:30 pm

Stopper wrote:
spurgistan wrote: The important thing is, it's over now, the Brits'll be home soon, Iran probably won a reprieve from nuclear Holocaust, and I have a pony. All is good.
You're telling us that you won £25 on the sailors' release? Betting on people's lives? How disgusting.

A pony = £25 in Cockney slang

Too right!

I lost a monkey betting they'd be banged up till Christmas.

Stopper · Post by **Stopper** » Thu Apr 05, 2007 5:18 pm

flashleg8 wrote:
Stopper wrote:
spurgistan wrote: The important thing is, it's over now, the Brits'll be home soon, Iran probably won a reprieve from nuclear Holocaust, and I have a pony. All is good.
You're telling us that you won £25 on the sailors' release? Betting on people's lives? How disgusting.

A pony = £25 in Cockney slang
Too right!

I lost a monkey betting they'd be banged up till Christmas.

Exactly!

I stood to win a bag of sand myself, but there you go.

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