Conquer Club

Dancing Mustard wrote:Backglass you're quite right about showing material to those too young to legally view it, if a teacher doesn't count as an 'adult guardian' then showing Brokeback was wrong.
I think we all agree on that; but isn't it's a bit of a sideshow to the real issue at hand (not the legal issue, but the actual meat of this moral discussion)?

I think the bone of contention (teehee, 'bone') here really is about Jay's bizarre conviction that the beliefs of the parent ought to censor the mind of the child.

uh-huh, if people don't open there minds just a little it would be an endless stream of hitlers, stalins and *shudder* diddles

mr. incrediball wrote:ah, i think most movies rated "r" in america are rated "15" over here (no-one under 15 is allowed to view it in public)

...Does anyone pay attention to that here?

Backglass wrote:

mr. incrediball wrote:by the way, what does an "R" rate mean?

In the US, films are generally given this rating due to nudity, sexual content or graphic violence...among other things.

See, I only know that because of the Queens Of The Stone Age album

jay_a2j wrote:Oh give me a break! You know as well as I if the teacher played Passion of the Christ instead, the ACLU would have been called in and sued the school, the teacher and Mel Gibson!
If religion should not be forced on kids (and I agree that it shouldn't) neither should alternative lifestyles.

Perhaps you should actually watch the film before judging it, jay. It doesn't end happily, in fact it is a very sad story. To suggest that it is 'forcing' 'alternative lifestyles' on kids is as ignorant, misguided, bigoted and utterly, utterly wrong as you have ever been. Watch the damn film please and then post about it.

Although come to think of it, i did watch a documentary about the Nazis the other day and before I knew it I had gone and slaughtered thousands of jews, gypsies and communists. So perhaps there is something in what you say.*






* © Derek & Clive

The1exile wrote:

mr. incrediball wrote:ah, i think most movies rated "r" in america are rated "15" over here (no-one under 15 is allowed to view it in public)

...Does anyone pay attention to that here?

I dunno, i think the people at the movies let you in on the basis of how old you LOOK, which is good news for early bloomers but bad news for that weedy little kid who's 17 and his voice hasn't broken yet

mr. incrediball wrote:I dunno, i think the people at the movies let you in on the basis of how old you LOOK, which is good news for early bloomers but bad news for that weedy little kid who's 17 and his voice hasn't broken yet

Well, you can rent 18's when you're 13, at least, so go figure.

The1exile wrote:

mr. incrediball wrote:I dunno, i think the people at the movies let you in on the basis of how old you LOOK, which is good news for early bloomers but bad news for that weedy little kid who's 17 and his voice hasn't broken yet

Well, you can rent 18's when you're 13, at least, so go figure.

me and my mate were in game and i tried to get final fantsy XII, which is a 16+ (in england movies and games are rated differently), and my mate (16) went to buy it, and the guy asked for identification! we said "well, like what?" and the guy said "i dunno a passport or summin" how many freakin' kids take their passports into town!?

mr. incrediball wrote:and the guy said "i dunno a passport or summin" how many freakin' kids take their passports into town!?

A telling comment. 95%+ of American kids don't even have passports.

Sad, but true.

Backglass wrote:

mr. incrediball wrote:and the guy said "i dunno a passport or summin" how many freakin' kids take their passports into town!?

A telling comment. 95%+ of American kids don't even have passports.

Sad, but true.

*cough* british conversation...

i don't have a passport, but apparently i'm still on my mums, plus passports are expensive... i'm gettin my own next time we go abroad

Backglass wrote:

mr. incrediball wrote:and the guy said "i dunno a passport or summin" how many freakin' kids take their passports into town!?

A telling comment. 95%+ of American kids don't even have passports.

Sad, but true.

They don't need them.

Iz Man wrote:

Backglass wrote:

mr. incrediball wrote:and the guy said "i dunno a passport or summin" how many freakin' kids take their passports into town!?

A telling comment. 95%+ of American kids don't even have passports.

Sad, but true.

They don't need them.

Exactly...Americans (as a whole) rarely venture outside the country. I find that sad. So much to see and people/cultures to meet.

Uptight bastards. If you can't take some swear words or a story about two gay cowboys, then you don't deserve to live.

Not really, I can find basically any culture of yours here in America plus are country is what nearly the size of Europe,if not bigger? I mean thats a whole conteneit there. Why the hell do I need to leave if theres so much to see right here?

Probably because there isn't NEARLY as much there as you think there is.

Ok let me put it this way, I could spend my entire life here seeing a new stuff and new cultures every day plus its cheaper to stay in the states and you see more, with less regulations.

Backglass wrote:

Iz Man wrote:

Backglass wrote:

mr. incrediball wrote:and the guy said "i dunno a passport or summin" how many freakin' kids take their passports into town!?

A telling comment. 95%+ of American kids don't even have passports.

Sad, but true.

They don't need them.

Exactly...Americans (as a whole) rarely venture outside the country. I find that sad. So much to see and people/cultures to meet.

I agree, but to be fair, it's very different than Europe. Where so many countries/cultures are close together and easily accessible.
Its much more difficult (and expensive) for a family in the U.S. to travel abroad. I guess we could go to Canada, but that wouldn't be much of a culture shock.

Avron wrote:Ok let me put it this way, I could spend my entire life here seeing a new stuff and new cultures every day plus its cheaper to stay in the states and you see more, with less regulations.

No, it's pretty much all variations of American culture. You really do have to go to a different country to experience there culture. You can't just go to China Town and expect to know what China is like.

Well yea I guess your write there. Still hell of a lot of stuff to see here.

jay_a2j wrote:Oh give me a break! You know as well as I if the teacher played Passion of the Christ instead, the ACLU would have been called in and sued the school, the teacher and Mel Gibson!
If religion should not be forced on kids (and I agree that it shouldn't) neither should alternative lifestyles.


Some parents raise their kids with Christian values and this is a blatant disregard of the parents will that their child should not be exposed to this. Not only that the movie is rated R and it was shown to 12 year olds?

"Alternative Lifestyles"?! Is this the new neocon euphemism for "we hate gays but we're not going to come out (pun intended) and say it"? The Bullshit meter is off the charts on this one.

Avron wrote:Well yea I guess your write there. Still hell of a lot of stuff to see here.

Yes. But you still aren't being exposed to other cultures.

Iz Man wrote:to be fair, it's very different than Europe. Where so many countries/cultures are close together and easily accessible.

Agreed.

Iz Man wrote:Its much more difficult (and expensive) for a family in the U.S. to travel abroad.

This once was true, but I have seen round trip tickets recently (NY to London) for under $250! . It's a lot more expensive to go to Disney World. What Americans forget is that you can see fairy princesses, queens and men in funky costumes in England too...just not the kind they might expect.

I can see that in vegas as well.

and San Francisco......

Is it strange that I find all that stuff the norm?

mr. incrediball wrote:

jay_a2j wrote:

mr. incrediball wrote:

jay_a2j wrote:The amount of money is irrelevant. We live in a sue-happy society. Remember the other thread where the guy was suing his cleaners for losing his pants? He was seeking millions of dollars.


I was more focusing on the principle of showing R rated movies promoting homosexuality in public schools.

oh, it isn't promoting homosexuality, you fucking homophobe, it's a story ABOUT homosexuality!

I don't fear anything about homosexuality. It is, in my view against God's commandments. Thus it is not acceptable for teachers to tell my kids "Its ok" because its not. Try and comprehend this....its not hard.

hey wait a minute, where in the ten commandments does it say anything about homosexuality?

run it through your freakin' head, jay, that maybe you're a big loser, who needs to open his mind to the outside world and stop coddling his STUPID narrow mind in the suburbs of midwest america...

*phew* o.k rant over

The 10 Commandments? Try reading the REST of the book. I'm not in mid-west America. And why is ok for the atheist to sue over "The pledge of Allegiance" or prayer in school on behalf of HIS child but a Christian parent is not allowed to on behalf of HIS child? I sense a double standard here. I DO NOT NEED THE PUBLIC SCHOOL SYSTEM TO INSTILL IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM ACCEPTED IMMORALITY ON MY CHILDREN. When my child turns 17 and wants to go see brokeback, more power to them.