Streaker's F11 Game Over (4/9) MAFIA WIN (archive plz)

[ptlowe]

seeming to get real defensive with 4 quick posts tim. Just like in our first game where you were scum and I pointed the finger at you.

fpd

[ptlowe]

We really need to hear from wcwnww and rizky... We cannot start a proper analysis as long as they don't post in here.

We don't need all the pieces to start puzzling. Since this game is intended as a tutorial game, I'll elaborate a bit. Day one is usually very boring. There will always be people who don't post much - this is either because they're not online, or because they don't have anything to comment on. Sitting around waiting for them to post helps in neither case. As town, it's better to make a move yourself than to sit on your hands. Wcw's and rizky's presence is not required for us to make these moves, because we will play our role and respond to each other regardless of them. Hiding behind their absence instead of participating is scummy, in my opinion. This is also the reason I 'made a move' against Tim. I want to see how Tim responds, yes, but it is also intended to see how others respond.
I kind of view day one as fencing, everyone is trading blows, parrying, trying to find openings in each other's defence. The real discussion and scumhunt will come later.

Of course, if people are being prodded and choose not to post once the game gets going, that would be suspicious.


Epi, I'm glad you're annoyed My suspicions of Tim were mostly fueled by this post of his. I admit it's not the strongest of arguments, but it's day one and seemed good enough for me to comment on.

I dont think epi is anoyed. I think he was subjecting that you were anoyed.

[TimWoodbury]

True, it is a very learning experience

So I think I see where Epi is coming from when he talks about Tim as well, on top of my suspicions over Mitch. I would be ok with pressuring either now and seeing if anything turns up.

im curious are you seeing it and interested in pressureing either of us ecause you dont care who gets lynched as long as its not you?? hmmm always ways to be interperted differant. im gonna do dishes(just got hoem from work so checking in on games and such now before hores) and then reread the thread and i can post some more then about currently potential reads.

@aage are you deflecting onto me by answereing mitches question with a question about me? possable skumy though cant say uur skummy jsut or that gotta look more at it
@subtleknife nope didnt claim anything im just saying that there can be a et up with only VT's set up with 1 or 2 power roles so him saying that because i hinted at being non PR dont mean im skum

Hinted at being no PR is the very definition of softclaim, as opposed to a full claim where you outright state it. So yes, you softclaimed.

As for the rest of what you directed at me, I said pressure, not lynch, but your reaction to the suggestion is proving to be very interesting. Replying with a counter-accusation to what was, in the end, not actually an accusation, gives off a bit of a suspicious air.

the so called soft claim was directored towards aage after this comment

Why is it "highly suspicious" that I think Tim is slightly suspicious? His posts heavily indicate he does not have a power role. I'm asking you to explain yourself because your point of "getting the light off me" is bullshit, there was no light on me.

sorry if it didnt look as i i was pointing to him

[TimWoodbury]

seeming to get real defensive with 4 quick posts tim. Just like in our first game where you were scum and I pointed the finger at you.

fpd

nah i was jsut going through reading posts and responding to each post as i saw it was gone at work all day thus why i hadnt responded throughout the day. i post alot weater im skum or not look at my 1st game and the last game. 1st game town postedd alot game 2 sum posted alot game 3 (CYOM) currently still happening posting alot and game 4 (this one posting alot as soon as i can when i can. not trying to sound defensive guess its jsut how things come out on paper yah know how they say things often times sound better in the head then they do on papper

[subtleknifewield]

You seemed to be misunderstanding me. Whomever the comment was directed at, it was still what is known as a softclaim. Your words seem to be trying to cloud the issue, which is rousing my suspicion by the minute.

[subtleknifewield]

EBWODP

The target of the comment is irrelevant, it still means the same thing

[rizky_biznezz]

My apologies guys sorry I haven't posted anything I was just waiting for it to get going so I could see what was going on... It seems I waited too long now I have 3 pages to get through lol

[madmitch]

very interesting theory SBK have to give it some serious thought

[Epitaph1]

I'm not sure what to think about Tim. I didn't think he hinted at being VT when Aage said something about it. But Tim seemed to come back and confirm that he's not a PR, right? Or is trying not to say anything about his role? I don't see him as being overly defensive, but I think a couple of us are having trouble figuring out what he's trying to say.

Risky and wwwcwwcwcwc, any thoughts so far?

[rizky_biznezz]

Nope still pretty confused by the whole thing lol.. Carry on while I work on figuring it out

[ptlowe]

Nope still pretty confused by the whole thing lol.. Carry on while I work on figuring it out

First time playing?

[bosaardbeitje]

@ rizky, don't worry, you are not the only one who is still confused...

I can't figure out Tim as well. At first I got a very strong Town vibe from him, but now I am not so sure. He is using a lot of words to explain something simple to the point were it becomes confusing and vague, something people often do when they have something to hide.

[madmitch]

Tim claim about not having a power role is confusing as hell,he either has a soft claim about being town to not give away his town pr away like he did before or he has a mafia power role like bus driver got to keep both eyes on him

[ptlowe]

Yeah I dont feel comfortable with Tims actions either but also not willing to let it go if someones not showing up. Please prod WCW streaker.

Also Vote WCW

He needs to start talking.

[subtleknifewield]

Nope still pretty confused by the whole thing lol.. Carry on while I work on figuring it out

If you have questions, do not be afraid to ask.

@ rizky, don't worry, you are not the only one who is still confused...

I can't figure out Tim as well. At first I got a very strong Town vibe from him, but now I am not so sure. He is using a lot of words to explain something simple to the point were it becomes confusing and vague, something people often do when they have something to hide.

Same for you as I said to Rizky.

But yeah, that's exactly my point on Tim. It seems like he's deliberately trying to be vague and misleading, to me.

Tim claim about not having a power role is confusing as hell,he either has a soft claim about being town to not give away his town pr away like he did before or he has a mafia power role like bus driver got to keep both eyes on him

There is no bus driver in the game. In the OP it outright states the game either has two Goons, or one goon and one Roleblocker, for the scum faction.

@ Mod, any word from wcwnww?

Also, given what has happened so far... Vote Tim in case I haven't already.

Now wait for the OMGUS vote.

[subtleknifewield]

Yeah I dont feel comfortable with Tims actions either but also not willing to let it go if someones not showing up. Please prod WCW streaker.

Also Vote WCW

He needs to start talking.

Personally I think it is kind of pointless to vote an inactive. They are inactive and the mod will prod and then replace them anyway, assuming they don't post after the prod.

[madmitch]

@SBK thanks for catching my mistake,

[subtleknifewield]

No problem.

[TimWoodbury]

Tim claim about not having a power role is confusing as hell,he either has a soft claim about being town to not give away his town pr away like he did before or he has a mafia power role like bus driver got to keep both eyes on him

no bus driver siilly mitch your thinking of the wrong game

[TimWoodbury]

@ rizky, don't worry, you are not the only one who is still confused...

I can't figure out Tim as well. At first I got a very strong Town vibe from him, but now I am not so sure. He is using a lot of words to explain something simple to the point were it becomes confusing and vague, something people often do when they have something to hide.

not trying to be vague though after rereading what i typed last night i also got confused as to it, aage was implying that i had a non powerrole skum so i was trying to explain how there was potential set ups where thee could be non power role town is all sorry for miswording folks

[TimWoodbury]

pt should know voteing inactives is usless so im thinking why is he wanting to go that route vote pt <--- i do bealive this is bold

[subtleknifewield]

Tim claim about not having a power role is confusing as hell,he either has a soft claim about being town to not give away his town pr away like he did before or he has a mafia power role like bus driver got to keep both eyes on him

no bus driver siilly mitch your thinking of the wrong game

I already caught that, and he acknowledged it.

[ptlowe]

pt should know voteing inactives is usless so im thinking why is he wanting to go that route vote pt <--- i do bealive this is bold

The longer we play the more scummy you become. In our last game you voted for Virus who got replaced and had not shown up. Also, you are still trying desperately to point away from yourself. aage and and now focusing me for something you have done before. You currently are my prime scum suspect.

1) You began the speculation on sane insane cop...also didnt seem to care about the roles or read the initial posts.

2) Then you soft claimed a role.....

3) At the same time you make four quick defensive posts in succession.

4) Then you re soft claim.

5) Then you make similar comments that have already been made.

6) Finally your vote on me doesnt count because you havent unvoted your previous vote.

All these things together make it look like you dont care a whole lot about the game or your just sowing confusion to get any precieved little or big spotlight off yourself.

On another note, I disagree with you and SKW on voting people seemingly inactive. In the couple of games I have played it sometimes ferrets out scum like behavior. IE take a look at our last game with Mitch. He hadnt posted in 4 real life days but as soon as Dakky voted him and made a statement about him he jumped right on and posted. Also, it is early in the week so a vote on someone that might make them answer will not be harmful if the player shows up and seems like none scum. Also I wanted to pressure the Mod into making a move on the player.

Like my first game with you....Tim....Im reading Scum scum scummy scum. But will await your response before making a judgement.

fpd

[subtleknifewield]

After reading what PT said, just making sure here...

unvote

Vote: Tim

[ptlowe]

Reads so far

Epi – Usually more active. Not really making much of a case….Might be an indication of something will see how the week progesses. Read as ???
bosaardbeitje – Seems to be working towards a resolution. Making good points. Read as town.
SKW – Same as Bosaard..making good points and guiding less experienced players. Read as town
Madmitch – Kind of just all over the place. A little suspicious. Im not sure how he normally plays as he was lynched early in one game and then in the second didn’t respond much. He does seem to be less trying to scum hunt then the first game when I was with him which makes him somewhat suspicious to me but hard to follow so I don’t know. Read as ?
WCW-……don’t know what to say….you havnt posted….REPLACE PLEASE…..Need more help and more reads. Read as ?
Aage-overreacted to small spotlight on himself. Seems to be very aggressive when pressed even a little bit. Leaning scum
rizky-......no read one way or another. If this isn’t his first game then a slight scum read if this is then I would suggestion checking the Wikipedia page on mafia. It helped me a bunch on understanding. Read as ???
Tim- High Scum read. And he’s dubiouly sneaky.

So as of right now two highest scum reads are Tim and aage. With needed to hear more from Epi, rizky, and WCW(or this one replaced).