French or German?

Bavarian Raven · Post by **Bavarian Raven** » Wed Jan 09, 2008 5:20 pm

why was germany allowed to exist in 1919, because they did not start world war one, the austrian-hungarian empire did.

german is now up seven!

Jenos Ridan · Post by **Jenos Ridan** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 1:21 am

Napoleon Ier wrote:
Jenos Ridan wrote:
Napoleon Ier wrote:Bastards...vous n'aurez pas, l'Alsace et la Lorraine!
Strasburg never strunk me as a very French-sounding name for a place.

Alsace-Lorraine belongs to Deutchland and you dirty Franks know it!
Dude, Alsace Lorraine and most of West Germany are french. Germans should return to the teutnic forests of Prusia where they belong, the germano-celtic gauls own everything up to the Elbe.

Sorry, but the Teutoburg Forest is west of the Elbe last I checked and the Celts were "pacified" by the Romans and then ceased to be as far as history tells us. Gaul became France shortly after the Franks (that would be you it seems) invaded the former Roman province, which...belonged... to the GOTHS!!! I knew it! None of "France" belongs to the French, so hand it over you theives! Come to think of it, Poland needs to return Danzig and most of what used to be Prussia to Deutchland......

Guiscard · Post by **Guiscard** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 8:59 am

Jenos Ridan wrote:
Napoleon Ier wrote:
Jenos Ridan wrote:
Napoleon Ier wrote:Bastards...vous n'aurez pas, l'Alsace et la Lorraine!
Strasburg never strunk me as a very French-sounding name for a place.

Alsace-Lorraine belongs to Deutchland and you dirty Franks know it!
Dude, Alsace Lorraine and most of West Germany are french. Germans should return to the teutnic forests of Prusia where they belong, the germano-celtic gauls own everything up to the Elbe.
Sorry, but the Teutoburg Forest is west of the Elbe last I checked and the Celts were "pacified" by the Romans and then ceased to be as far as history tells us. Gaul became France shortly after the Franks (that would be you it seems) invaded the former Roman province, which...belonged... to the GOTHS!!! I knew it! None of "France" belongs to the French, so hand it over you theives! Come to think of it, Poland needs to return Danzig and most of what used to be Prussia to Deutchland......

You won't convince him by referring to actual history. The whole migration period didn't exist for Nappy. The 'Franco-gallic-celts' have always been in France. At no point did they migrate from anywhere else. Because, you know, the Franks weren't a Germanic people whatsoever!

heavycola · Post by **heavycola** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 9:19 am

France.

Food. Wine. A mediterranean coast. The best alps. Fresh bread every morning. A spoken language that doesn't sound like a rottweiler clearing its throat. Brittany. Godard. Le Tour. Foie gras (whether you like it or not, it says plenty about their attutude to food). Cantona. Armagnac. Serge Gainsbourg. Bardot.

Guiscard · Post by **Guiscard** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 10:14 am

heavycola wrote:France.

Food. Wine. A mediterranean coast. The best alps. Fresh bread every morning. A spoken language that doesn't sound like a rottweiler clearing its throat. Brittany. Godard. Le Tour. Foie gras (whether you like it or not, it says plenty about their attutude to food). Cantona. Armagnac. Serge Gainsbourg. Bardot.

And, although I strongly doubt Nappy would approve, French Hip-Hop. I think French is perhaps the language with the best flow and style for rapping, and their scene is still very much in the banlieues as opposed to the stadiums.

Bavarian Raven · Post by **Bavarian Raven** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 10:41 am

french rapping...*shudders*...

and German is not that "harsh" of a language, that is just those stupid old war movies that makes it sound that way...another thing that pisses me off, are those old "propagandic" movies that makes the germans look so stupid...if they were that stupid they wouldn't have been able to conquer as much as they did in as little time as they did... (despite the wrongness of it)...

oh and now german is up nine...

Guiscard · Post by **Guiscard** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 11:04 am

Bavarian Raven wrote:french rapping...*shudders*...

What makes you shudder about it?

Napoleon Ier · Post by **Napoleon Ier** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 11:09 am

The Celts in France make up the almost exclusivity of our racial heritage, the Gauls are Germano-Celtic, the Franks and Romans were minor influence.
The Spartan Prussian state has always existed on the other side of the Rhine, and the conflict ground has crossed bith sides. Charlemagne looked like he'd created the necessary state of Germano-celtic decent, but this was a failure. Until France has annhilated our naturaland inexorable enemy Germany and sent it west of the Elbe, she will never be secure.

Guiscard · Post by **Guiscard** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 11:18 am

Napoleon Ier wrote:Until France has annhilated our naturaland inexorable enemy Germany and sent it west of the Elbe, she will never be secure.

This is literally wonderful stuff. The best history is always that completely blinded by unwavering nationalism.

So Charlemagne is a national hero for conquering swathes of Europe and subjecting them to his rule, as is your namesake. But Germany.. oh no... the great enemy!

Come on. 'Natural enemy'? You do realise who you begin to sound like when you begin to spout such nonsense, don't you? (Hastily avoiding Godwin here)

Napoleon Ier · Post by **Napoleon Ier** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 11:23 am

Guiscard wrote:
Napoleon Ier wrote:Until France has annhilated our natural and inexorable enemy, Germany, and sent it west of the Elbe, she will never be secure.

This is literally wonderful stuff. The best history is always that completely blinded by unwavering nationalism.

So Charlemagne is a national hero for conquering swathes of Europe and subjecting them to his rule, as is your namesake. But Germany.. oh no... the great enemy!

Come on. 'Natural enemy'? You do realise who you begin to sound like when you begin to spout such nonsense, don't you? (Hastily avoiding Godwin here)

Hitler understood France was Germany's natural enemy, and so must we. The conflict is between the expanionist totalitarianism of the socialo-fascist based German state which has further been corrupted by a strain of unhealthy nationalism since it was infected with the Genevan heresy and France. France and Germany have always been conflict, this has always been obvious.

heavycola · Post by **heavycola** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 11:30 am

Guiscard wrote:
heavycola wrote:France.

Food. Wine. A mediterranean coast. The best alps. Fresh bread every morning. A spoken language that doesn't sound like a rottweiler clearing its throat. Brittany. Godard. Le Tour. Foie gras (whether you like it or not, it says plenty about their attutude to food). Cantona. Armagnac. Serge Gainsbourg. Bardot.
And, although I strongly doubt Nappy would approve, French Hip-Hop. I think French is perhaps the language with the best flow and style for rapping, and their scene is still very much in the banlieues as opposed to the stadiums.

That made me think of a MC Solaar tune called Le Nouveau Western, which has a Gainsbourg sample in it. It used to drive us kids wild I tell you.

ALso - the dude mixing edith piaf and NWA (f*ck the police) in La Haine.

Nappy - Genevan heresy? Natural enemy? You sound like a cut-out from a bad period drama.

ignotus · Post by **ignotus** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 11:39 am

Napoleon Ier wrote:
Guiscard wrote:
Napoleon Ier wrote:Until France has annhilated our natural and inexorable enemy, Germany, and sent it west of the Elbe, she will never be secure.

This is literally wonderful stuff. The best history is always that completely blinded by unwavering nationalism.

So Charlemagne is a national hero for conquering swathes of Europe and subjecting them to his rule, as is your namesake. But Germany.. oh no... the great enemy!

Come on. 'Natural enemy'? You do realise who you begin to sound like when you begin to spout such nonsense, don't you? (Hastily avoiding Godwin here)
Hitler understood France was Germany's natural enemy, and so must we. The conflict is between the expanionist totalitarianism of the socialo-fascist based German state which has further been corrupted by a strain of unhealthy nationalism since it was infected with the Genevan heresy and France. France and Germany have always been conflict, this has always been obvious.

So...
1) Who founded European Coal and Steel Community, which is the grandfather organization of today's EU?
2) Who was the first French statesman that visited Germany since Napoleon? I'll give you a hint: In 1963 that man signed a treaty of friendship between France and Germany.

Just for the example how wrong you are.

Guiscard · Post by **Guiscard** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 11:41 am

Napoleon Ier wrote:
Guiscard wrote:
Napoleon Ier wrote:Until France has annhilated our natural and inexorable enemy, Germany, and sent it west of the Elbe, she will never be secure.

This is literally wonderful stuff. The best history is always that completely blinded by unwavering nationalism.

So Charlemagne is a national hero for conquering swathes of Europe and subjecting them to his rule, as is your namesake. But Germany.. oh no... the great enemy!

Come on. 'Natural enemy'? You do realise who you begin to sound like when you begin to spout such nonsense, don't you? (Hastily avoiding Godwin here)
Hitler understood France was Germany's natural enemy, and so must we. The conflict is between the expanionist totalitarianism of the socialo-fascist based German state which has further been corrupted by a strain of unhealthy nationalism since it was infected with the Genevan heresy and France. France and Germany have always been conflict, this has always been obvious.

Where do you read this stuff, Nappy? Seriously...

Napoleon Ier · Post by **Napoleon Ier** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 11:43 am

In all honesty? I made that up last night in a history essay.

Guiscard · Post by **Guiscard** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 11:45 am

Napoleon Ier wrote:In all honesty? I made that up last night in a history essay.

I pity your teacher, Nappy, I really do.

Napoleon Ier · Post by **Napoleon Ier** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 11:49 am

Guiscard wrote:
Napoleon Ier wrote:In all honesty? I made that up last night in a history essay.
I pity your teacher, Nappy, I really do.

Yeah...he'd say the same. Still. I'll take that as a compliment.

Guiscard · Post by **Guiscard** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 12:07 pm

Napoleon Ier wrote:
Guiscard wrote:
Napoleon Ier wrote:In all honesty? I made that up last night in a history essay.
I pity your teacher, Nappy, I really do.
Yeah...he'd say the same.

Actually I don't think its that funny. Views like the ones you espouse so vehemently, talk of 'natural enemies', eternal conflicts and stereotyping entire populations is a worrying line of argument. To begin to generalise so easily is to begin to take away the humanity of individuals. Just as with your sweeping statements regarding the nature of Islam or Arabs, you begin to de-humanise people and that leads to very real abuses. The genocide of Jews during the Holocaust or Tutsis in Rwanda occurred, in part, because of the dehumanisation of those people. Jews were all inhuman money-hoarding conspirators, the natural enemy of the Aryan German race. The Tutsi were the previously superior ethnic group, now deserving extinction as a whole as the natural enemy of the Hutu. Not I;m not saying you actively encourage genocide, far from it, but the ideology you espouse is no different to those who do. The 'unhealthy nationalism' you spoke of when discussing Hitler is spot on, but you're also holding a mirror to yourself when you make that judgement.

A lot of the things you say appal me, especially from someone so young. I don't find it funny one bit, and if I were your teacher I know I'd have a hard time marking your essay if it contained crap like that. The fact that you believe it so unwaveringly makes it all the worse.

browng-08 · Post by **browng-08** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 12:44 pm

heavycola wrote:France.

Food. Wine. A mediterranean coast. The best alps. Fresh bread every morning. A spoken language that doesn't sound like a rottweiler clearing its throat. Brittany. Godard. Le Tour. Foie gras (whether you like it or not, it says plenty about their attutude to food). Cantona. Armagnac. Serge Gainsbourg. Bardot.

What statement; It's not enough to kill sometning to eat it, we must violate the Geneva conventions to make it, too? (yes, I realize the Geneva conventions don't talk about geese, i'm talking about torture)

heavycola · Post by **heavycola** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 12:47 pm

browng-08 wrote:
heavycola wrote:France.

Food. Wine. A mediterranean coast. The best alps. Fresh bread every morning. A spoken language that doesn't sound like a rottweiler clearing its throat. Brittany. Godard. Le Tour. Foie gras (whether you like it or not, it says plenty about their attutude to food). Cantona. Armagnac. Serge Gainsbourg. Bardot.
What statement; It's not enough to kill sometning to eat it, we must violate the Geneva conventions to make it, too? (yes, I realize the Geneva conventions don't talk about geese, i'm talking about torture)

Yep, pretty much. Les Frawnch are willing to force feed geese until their livers explode in the name of gastronomy, and that says a lot.
I don't much like the stuff myself - too rich for me. Mais chacun a son gout.

Napoleon Ier · Post by **Napoleon Ier** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 12:50 pm

You haven't tasted decent foie gras then. I was of your mind when I was younger, and early encounters can you put you off many foods, but try eating it on toasted bread for example, and you'll learn to like it.

browng-08 · Post by **browng-08** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 12:52 pm

Napoleon Ier wrote:You haven't tasted decent foie gras then. I was of your mind when I was younger, and early encounters can you put you off many foods, but try eating it on toasted bread for example, and you'll learn to like it.

Never. Not if my life depended on it would I sacrifice my morals to do so. Eating meat is one thing. Foie gras is equal to war crimes.

heavycola · Post by **heavycola** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 12:54 pm

Napoleon Ier wrote:You haven't tasted decent foie gras then. I was of your mind when I was younger, and early encounters can you put you off many foods, but try eating it on toasted bread for example, and you'll learn to like it.

When you were younger?? Thanks for the wisdom, gramps.

I enjoy it when I do eat it, but I would never order it for myself. Last time I ate foie gras d'oie was in Collioure about three weeks ago. It was yummy. But I had to steal it off my friend's plate.

jiminski · Post by **jiminski** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 2:15 pm

heavycola wrote:
Napoleon Ier wrote:You haven't tasted decent foie gras then. I was of your mind when I was younger, and early encounters can you put you off many foods, but try eating it on toasted bread for example, and you'll learn to like it.
When you were younger?? Thanks for the wisdom, gramps.

I enjoy it when I do eat it, but I would never order it for myself. Last time I ate foie gras d'oie was in Collioure about three weeks ago. It was yummy. But I had to steal it off my friend's plate.

haha truly a guilty pleasure HC!

Minister Masket · Post by **Minister Masket** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 5:39 pm

Wait a minute. Why do we side with the French whenever they and Germany have a tiffle?

cena-rules · Post by **cena-rules** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 5:40 pm

what do you call 100,000 frenchmen with their hands up

the army

French or German?

Which country is better?