Not A Natural Born Citizen

[PLAYER57832]

Sorry, if they take not action, conference or not, the case remains dead. The only way the case gets a life is if the court opens an appeal.

conference does not mean that the case is reopened. It is a technicality, mostly to stop the process from continuing ad infinitum, because if they keep sending it back down to the lawyer court and he keeps bumping it up ... we will see more and more of this "I saw it on the internet .. somewhere... so it just must be true ".


Right now, PA does not have jurisdiction, grounds in this particular case. Illinois might have. So migh Hawaii. When he is officialy nominated, then he jumps into another realm where only the Senate may bring charges, impeachment proceedings against him.

If any "Tom, Dick or Harry" were allowed to make a case against the U.S. president, it would wreak havoc on our government. And, that is the prime reason for lobbing such charges ... to try and wreak havoc. This is precisly why such charges are NOT allowed. It is plain harrassment.

And no, your reference to Clinton is not valid because the Senate does have standing/grounds to bring impeachment proceedings against the president.

The only people being helped by all this "Obama should not be president" rhetoric are the enemies of the U.S., NOT any free citizen of this country or our allies.

[black elk speaks]

Sorry, if they take not action, conference or not, the case remains dead. The only way the case gets a life is if the court opens an appeal.

conference does not mean that the case is reopened. It is a technicality, mostly to stop the process from continuing ad infinitum, because if they keep sending it back down to the lawyer court and he keeps bumping it up ... we will see more and more of this "I saw it on the internet .. somewhere... so it just must be true ".


Right now, PA does not have jurisdiction, grounds in this particular case. Illinois might have. So migh Hawaii. When he is officialy nominated, then he jumps into another realm where only the Senate may bring charges, impeachment proceedings against him.

If any "Tom, Dick or Harry" were allowed to make a case against the U.S. president, it would wreak havoc on our government. And, that is the prime reason for lobbing such charges ... to try and wreak havoc. This is precisly why such charges are NOT allowed. It is plain harrassment.

And no, your reference to Clinton is not valid because the Senate does have standing/grounds to bring impeachment proceedings against the president.

The only people being helped by all this "Obama should not be president" rhetoric are the enemies of the U.S., NOT any free citizen of this country or our allies.

That's bullocks. Stop for a minute and assume that the case against BO is true. If he is not really a natural born citizen, and has been withholding the truth, would you still want him as president?

[PLAYER57832]

That's bullocks. Stop for a minute and assume that the case against BO is true. If he is not really a natural born citizen, and has been withholding the truth, would you still want him as president?

Even if you set aside completely the FACT that he is a US citizen and HAS proven it (though some just refuse to believe it), this was not the proper way to bring this lawsuit about. THAT speaks volumes.

This judge, if he is the least bit knowledgeable of the law, had to know that. Yet, he still chose to waste the courts time and money by bringing this lawsuit instead of following proper proceedures. That alone tells me he knows he has no grounds, is not really trying to "win" this suit .. he is merely attempting to cause trouble. And, unfortunately, in that he is succeeding.

Further, even IF there WERE a shred of evidence to support these claims (and there is NOT), once he has been elected, then yes, I would rather he be supported than have our country hamstrung by legal battles.

I did not feel that George W. Bush truly beat Al Gore. I don't think all the Supreme Court justices actually thought so, either. BUT, the decision had to be made. Having even a bad president IS better than having no president.

And, I definitely think Obama will make a good president. At the very minimum, he will make a far better president tham George W. Bush. I also think he will be better than would John McCain, but that no one can truly know for sure.

You argue about a coming civil war, etc. Is that REALLY what you truly want? If so, just keep on as you are. Convince enough people and you might get your wish. Me, I want my sons to live in peace. I prefer that the biggest battles they fight are in the woods... where I am absolutely sure they will win!

[DaGip]

Full page add will be running in the Chicago Tribune on Monday and Wednesday:

http://www.wethepeoplefoundation.org/UP ... -11-28.htm

[Juan_Bottom]

Kenyan Ambassador to the United States, His Excellency Peter Ogengo, Admits Obama Born in Kenya
http://theneinblog.blogspot.com/2008/11 ... s-his.html

Seriously, what does it take?



The Video that could cost Obama the election
http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/5411

[DaGip]

Kenyan Ambassador to the United States, His Excellency Peter Ogengo, Admits Obama Born in Kenya
http://theneinblog.blogspot.com/2008/11 ... s-his.html

Seriously, what does it take?



The Video that could cost Obama the election
http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/5411

This is a really good explanation of a "natural born citizen"...Obama is not a "natural born citizen":

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqH7rSHcvgU

[Juan_Bottom]

Obama Birth Certificate Rears Its Head - Again
http://news.aol.com/political-machine/2 ... 1200912886

Right Side News on Sunday so graciously pointed out that "Hawaii Revised Statute 338-17.8 allows registration of birth in Hawaii for a child that was born outside of Hawaii to parents who, for a year preceding the childs birth, claimed Hawaii as their place of residence. The parents would be issued a Certification of Live Birth. This is not proof of where the child was born. It only proves that the parents claimed Hawaii as their main place of residence for the prior year."

[DaGip]

Obama Birth Certificate Rears Its Head - Again
http://news.aol.com/political-machine/2 ... 1200912886

Right Side News on Sunday so graciously pointed out that "Hawaii Revised Statute 338-17.8 allows registration of birth in Hawaii for a child that was born outside of Hawaii to parents who, for a year preceding the childs birth, claimed Hawaii as their place of residence. The parents would be issued a Certification of Live Birth. This is not proof of where the child was born. It only proves that the parents claimed Hawaii as their main place of residence for the prior year."

Thanks for posting this, as I was looking for actual confirmation that that particular "Open Letter to Barack Obama" add ran in the Chicago Tribune today, and will run again on Wednesday.

I have printed up this add and am posting it everywhere I can in town, because the mainstream media doesn't give a rats ass and The People deserve more than some communist infiltrating Kenyan who doesn't even know what religion or church he is part of. Not to mention he has a trashy mama:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQFCCVd1jQc

[mpjh]

Taken from Honolulu newspaper of August 13, 1961



Pretty hard to find that they had that printed if he wasn't born in Hawaii.

[DaGip]

Taken from Honolulu newspaper of August 13, 1961



Pretty hard to find that they had that printed if he wasn't born in Hawaii.

nice try!

However, a birth announcement is not evidence that BHO2 was born in Hawaii. It is only evidence that someone announced BHO2's birth.

The only document that Obama has tried to pawn off on the American public was a shabby counterfeit Certificate of Live Birth, which isn't even a real birth certificate and the certificate that he did provide has been proven to have been faked!

http://polarik.blogtownhall.com/2008/11 ... raud.thtml

and if you don't want to do all that reading, here is Dr. Polarik in a video:

http://www.obamacrimes.com/

You crack me up!

[mpjh]

Fact checker determined that

FactCheck.org staffers have now seen, touched, examined and photographed the original birth certificate. We conclude that it meets all of the requirements from the State Department for proving U.S. citizenship. Claims that the document lacks a raised seal or a signature are false. We have posted high-resolution photographs of the document as "supporting documents" to this article. Our conclusion: Obama was born in the U.S.A. just as he has always said.

Update, Nov. 1: The director of Hawaii’s Department of Health confirmed Oct. 31 that Obama was born in Honolulu.

[DaGip]

Fact checker determined that

FactCheck.org staffers have now seen, touched, examined and photographed the original birth certificate. We conclude that it meets all of the requirements from the State Department for proving U.S. citizenship. Claims that the document lacks a raised seal or a signature are false. We have posted high-resolution photographs of the document as "supporting documents" to this article. Our conclusion: Obama was born in the U.S.A. just as he has always said.

Update, Nov. 1: The director of Hawaii’s Department of Health confirmed Oct. 31 that Obama was born in Honolulu.

Who the Fuck is FactChecker?

You clearly haven't been reading any of the sources I have provided. Your little communistic mind is unwilling to face the truth. The truth that Obama is not a natural born citizen of the United States of America and is not eligible for the office of president.

I have thoroughly examined the photographs that FactCheck published, and have subsequently found clear and irrefutable evidence of tampering with both the alleged COLB objects photographed and with the photos themselves. One of those COLB objects was, in fact, a printout of a forged document image with the Seal superimposed onto it for the final pictures.

FactCheck’s photos reveal both the absence of known, relevant features found on genuine COLBs along with the presence of illogical and impossible features that would never be found on a real 2007 COLB. Specifically, on the COLB objects photographed, the security border closely matches the border found on a real 2007 COLB. However, both the embossed Seal and the State Registrar’s Signature stamp do not match the same elements found on a real 2007 COLB, but perfectly match those found on a real 2008 COLB; or, in other words, something that would never happen in real life.

Hawaii made three important changes to their COLBs from 2007 to 2008, including the use of a larger certificate layout, a new security border, and, much to the chagrin of Factcheck and the Obama Campaign, a new Seal and Signature stamp that can now be stamped on a COLB by a machine.

With my experience and specialization in document imaging, my findings are conclusive and irrefutable that the COLB images posted by Obama to his campaign website, fightthesmears.com, to the dailykos.com, a pro-Obama blog, to FactCheck.org, a pro-Obama political research group, and to Politifact.org, are, in fact, image forgeries with the intent to defraud the American People into believing that these images were digitally scanned from Obama’s genuine, “original” birth certificate.

With my experience and specialization in photography and digital imaging, my findings are conclusive and irrefutable that the COLB photographs posted by FactCheck.org, a pro-Obama political research group, and to Politifact.org, are, in fact, photographic forgeries with the intent to defraud the American People into believing that these digital photographs were taken of Obama’s genuine, “original” birth certificate.

http://polarik.blogtownhall.com/2008/11 ... raud.thtml

[mpjh]

I hear tin foil is inexpensive. Get some, you need it.

The original document is viewable and inspectable, many have done so and found it authentic, so get over it.

Beside, there is the contemporaneous newspaper announcement of August 13, 1961 as further evidence of the birth in Hawaii.

[Juan_Bottom]

I hear tin foil is inexpensive. Get some, you need it.

The original document is viewable and inspectable, many have done so and found it authentic, so get over it.

Beside, there is the contemporaneous newspaper announcement of August 13, 1961 as further evidence of the birth in Hawaii.

Hold on now, this is actually what this is all about. The original is not veiwable, or inspectable. It is/was sealed by the governer of Hawaii after Obama flew back to the states after visiting his mother. All we have to go on is the picture. Obama will not even give permission to release a legal copy.

[PLAYER57832]

This is a really good explanation of a "natural born citizen"...Obama is not a "natural born citizen":

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqH7rSHcvgU

I could not view the video, but the definition of a natural born citizen is pretty simple. You are born within the U.S. .. regardless of who your parents are, with the exception of certain diplomat's kids.

There are several distinctions for children born outside the U.S., but within the U.S. .. only 2. Citizens and children of certain foreign officials (essentially we don't hijack their kids)

[Juan_Bottom]

This is a really good explanation of a "natural born citizen"...Obama is not a "natural born citizen":

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqH7rSHcvgU

I could not view the video, but the definition of a natural born citizen is pretty simple. You are born within the U.S. .. regardless of who your parents are, with the exception of certain diplomat's kids.

There are several distinctions for children born outside the U.S., but within the U.S. .. only 2. Citizens and children of certain foreign officials (essentially we don't hijack their kids)

It seems that there are special state by state rules too---for instance Hawaii Revised Statute 338-17.8---

Obama Birth Certificate Rears Its Head - Again
http://news.aol.com/political-machine/2 ... 1200912886

Right Side News on Sunday so graciously pointed out that "Hawaii Revised Statute 338-17.8 allows registration of birth in Hawaii for a child that was born outside of Hawaii to parents who, for a year preceding the childs birth, claimed Hawaii as their place of residence. The parents would be issued a Certification of Live Birth. This is not proof of where the child was born. It only proves that the parents claimed Hawaii as their main place of residence for the prior year."

[mpjh]

I hear tin foil is inexpensive. Get some, you need it.

The original document is viewable and inspectable, many have done so and found it authentic, so get over it.

Beside, there is the contemporaneous newspaper announcement of August 13, 1961 as further evidence of the birth in Hawaii.

Hold on now, this is actually what this is all about. The original is not veiwable, or inspectable. It is/was sealed by the governer of Hawaii after Obama flew back to the states after visiting his mother. All we have to go on is the picture. Obama will not even give permission to release a legal copy.

Not so, factchecker.com was able to view and inspect the orginal.

[Blinkadyblink]

Where Obama was born is irrelevant. According to the US Code (relevant section here,) all someone needs to be a natural born US citizen is to have at least one parent who is a citizen of the US and has lived there for at least five years, two of these years coming after age fourteen. Even if Obama was born in Kenya, the fact that his mother is American makes him a natural born citizen.

[StiffMittens]

I hear tin foil is inexpensive. Get some, you need it.

The original document is viewable and inspectable, many have done so and found it authentic, so get over it.

Beside, there is the contemporaneous newspaper announcement of August 13, 1961 as further evidence of the birth in Hawaii.

Hold on now, this is actually what this is all about. The original is not veiwable, or inspectable. It is/was sealed by the governer of Hawaii after Obama flew back to the states after visiting his mother. All we have to go on is the picture. Obama will not even give permission to release a legal copy.

Not so, factchecker.com was able to view and inspect the orginal.

I'm afraid Juan is correct here. What FactCheck viewed was a Certification of Live Birth, which is not a primary source Birth Certificate. Obama's original Birth Certificate is filed away with Hawaii's Dept of Health and is not a public record. However, the Hawaiian Dept' of Health issued a statement some time ago (beginning of November or end of October, I think) saying that they have verified that the original Birth Certificate is on file there and that the information on it is consistent with the Certification of Live Birth.

It's worth pointing out the Governor of Hawaii did not seal Obama's birth certificate. That is the normal way birth certificate's are handled in the state of Hawaii - i.e. nobody's birth certificate is a public record.

[mpjh]

fact check says:

Recently FactCheck representatives got a chance to spend some time with the birth certificate, and we can attest to the fact that it is real and three-dimensional and resides at the Obama headquarters in Chicago. We can assure readers that the certificate does bear a raised seal, and that it's stamped on the back by Hawaii state registrar Alvin T. Onaka (who uses a signature stamp rather than signing individual birth certificates).

This is not a photo-copy of the birth certificate, it is the official birth certificate released to Obama by the State of Hawaii. In Hawaii, a second form, filled out at the hospital and called the long form, is not provided to anyone for any birth.

[spurgistan]

I don't understand why this thread exists.

Unless conclusive proof exists that the President-Elect is NOT a natural-born citizen (not that factcheck.org is, per se, but it is definitely WAY more reputable than Hal Turner, or whoever tf makes these videos) there is no way that people would stand for whatever government official would try to obstruct him from carrying out the will of the people. You know what, maybe he is stonewalling. This rule prevents Arnold or Elaine Chao (for example) from becoming president, as they are conclusively foreign-born, naturalized American citizens. Barack's case is sufficiently murky as to make DQ'ing him acceptable only as a Draconian enforcement of a rule, which among other things is totally unrepresentative of our diverse national heritage. Even though I don't think the Constitutional requirement that a president be a "naturally born citizen" (not actually specified what this entailed until the 14th amendment, can't pull out the "Founding Fathers" BS for this one) applies to Obama, I think it unfairly discriminates against the people we all were at one point, and should be amended. But that's neither here nor there.

Anyways, Gip, I watched your videos. Would you read this and tell me what Snopes got wrong?

[mpjh]

The tin-foil hatters are never, ever going to let this go. No proof will convince them that Obama was born in Hawaii. It is the only hope they have that the world will look the way the so very desperately want it to look. These are people that will never adjust to the Obama presidency.

[Juan_Bottom]

The tin-foil hatters are never, ever going to let this go. No proof will convince them that Obama was born in Hawaii. It is the only hope they have that the world will look the way the so very desperately want it to look. These are people that will never adjust to the Obama presidency.

Are you calling me hatter? Or Phillip Berg? and Keyes? And his excellency Peter Ogengo? This isn't about aliens, this is just about truth. You're a fool if you trust our government on any level.

All Berg, and everyone else, is asking for is for Obama to sign a paper to release a LEGAL COPY of his birth certificate. That's why this won't die, because Obama won't prove them wrong.
Remember, there is decent evidence to refute his claim that he was born in America.
And it's not like Obama would remember where he was born either.

[mpjh]

Yes, all of you are hatters.

[Dancing Mustard]

Millining Dirty - A short play

Obama: They see me rollin', they hatting.
Juan: I hate you.
Obama: Oh, sorry, I meant hating.
Juan: I also have a hat.
Obama: Fine. Have it your way. You hatting.
Juan: That's better. Now hurry up and reduce the tax on tinfoil.
Obama: That sounds like a change I can believe in.
*They both go get into the Presidential Caddy and do doughnuts in the parking lot*

Fin.