Post Any Evidence For God Here

[Phatscotty]

[natty dread]

DENIERS OF CUBE TRUTH!

CUBE JUDGEMENT WILL COME ON CUBE DAY! YOUR SQUARE GOD WILL BE PROVEN FALSE BEFORE THE CUBE GOD!

[BigBallinStalin]

ALL HAIL THE CHILIAGON! SQUARE GODS AND CUBE GODS AND ALL THEIR BELIEVERS SHALL BE OVERWHELMED BY THE CHILIAGON'S ALL POWERFUL AND ALL KNOWING 179.64° ANGLES.

[natty dread]

THE CHILIAGON IS BLASPHEMY! IT IS A MERE PUPPET OF THE SQUARE CONSPIRACY! THE CUBE GOD WILL CUBESMITE THEM ALL ON CUBE DAY!

[TheSaxlad]

Why isnt this thread empty?

[natty dread]

Why isnt this thread empty?

THE CUBE GOD DOES NOT APPRECIATE YOUR SQUARE INSINUATIONS!

THERE IS PLENTY OF CUBE EVIDENCE FOR THE CUBE GOD!

[PLAYER57832]

I think the only thing agnostics and atheists agree on is that some Christians are obnoxious when arguing for God

Add Christians to that list. I would say I get more fustrated with other Christians than non-christians.

And, well, reverse it, too.

[PLAYER57832]

Woahhhhhh! Hold on there chief!

I don't believe in God, nor do I believe there is no God/god/gods. I'm just saying, you can't prove it scientifically. Like Player and others have said, you either believe or you don't.

I think it's stupid to believe in one religion though and say "no" to the others. People in the US and such are only Christian because they were brought up so. If PLAYER (no offense PLAYER, just using you as an example) was born in India, she'd be Hindu. If jay was born in imperial Japan, he'd be Shinto.

Possibly true, but people do convert.

Also.. well, one can come to know these things by different names. That idea is controversial, but perhaps true. I have talked to plenty of so- called Hindus who are simply looking for something other than what "mommy and daddy taught". However, I have also met some who's beliefs were not very different from my own. From a Christian perspective, lacking belief in Christ is paramount, and I don't want to say that just sharing some values and even deeper understandings "makes one Christian", but at some point... it is for God to judge not us.

I'm not gonna base a belief off of what I grew up with, though I think it's stupid to fervently say: "there is no god".

This is a fundamental truth. Rejecting what you are taught just because it is what your folks taught you is just as biased and wrong as simply believing. You have to find your own answer.

[BigBallinStalin]

I'm not gonna base a belief off of what I grew up with, though I think it's stupid to fervently say: "there is no god".

This is a fundamental truth. Rejecting what you are taught just because it is what your folks taught you is just as biased and wrong as simply believing. You have to find your own answer.

The Chiliagon provides ALL answers--unlike the puny CUBE GOD.

[natty dread]

I'm not gonna base a belief off of what I grew up with, though I think it's stupid to fervently say: "there is no god".

This is a fundamental truth. Rejecting what you are taught just because it is what your folks taught you is just as biased and wrong as simply believing. You have to find your own answer.

The Chiliagon provides ALL answers--unlike the puny CUBE GOD.

The CUBE GOD has the TRUE CUBE ANSWERS! The Chiliagon's answers are merely FALSE SQUARE ANSWERS!

[Army of GOD]

I'm not gonna base a belief off of what I grew up with, though I think it's stupid to fervently say: "there is no god".

This is a fundamental truth. Rejecting what you are taught just because it is what your folks taught you is just as biased and wrong as simply believing. You have to find your own answer.

I'm not saying I'm not going to believe it because it's what my parents taught me, I'm saying I'm not going to believe it over another religion because of the fact that it's what I grew up with (that sounds contradictory, but I assure you it's not). I mean, yea, there are converts, but I'd think that the percent of people who are born with a religion and stay with it are a lot greater than converts.

[BigBallinStalin]

I'm not gonna base a belief off of what I grew up with, though I think it's stupid to fervently say: "there is no god".

This is a fundamental truth. Rejecting what you are taught just because it is what your folks taught you is just as biased and wrong as simply believing. You have to find your own answer.

The Chiliagon provides ALL answers--unlike the puny CUBE GOD.

The CUBE GOD has the TRUE CUBE ANSWERS! The Chiliagon's answers are merely FALSE SQUARE ANSWERS!

How dare you insult the Chiliagod! The "True Cube Answers" are in fact and always have been "False Square Answers" with a heavy application of make-up.

[natty dread]

I'm not gonna base a belief off of what I grew up with, though I think it's stupid to fervently say: "there is no god".

This is a fundamental truth. Rejecting what you are taught just because it is what your folks taught you is just as biased and wrong as simply believing. You have to find your own answer.

The Chiliagon provides ALL answers--unlike the puny CUBE GOD.

The CUBE GOD has the TRUE CUBE ANSWERS! The Chiliagon's answers are merely FALSE SQUARE ANSWERS!

How dare you insult the Chiliagod! The "True Cube Answers" are in fact and always have been "False Square Answers" with a heavy application of make-up.

Blasphemy! Your Chiliagod is nothing but a smoke screen devised by the Square World Order (SWO)! Stop spreading your square misinformation and Turn to CUBE GOD before it's too late! The CUBE DAY is near! Repent before it's too late!

The CUBE GOD shall release you from the square delusion and show you the true one and only CUBE TRUTH!

[PLAYER57832]

I'm not gonna base a belief off of what I grew up with, though I think it's stupid to fervently say: "there is no god".

This is a fundamental truth. Rejecting what you are taught just because it is what your folks taught you is just as biased and wrong as simply believing. You have to find your own answer.

I'm not saying I'm not going to believe it because it's what my parents taught me, I'm saying I'm not going to believe it over another religion because of the fact that it's what I grew up with (that sounds contradictory, but I assure you it's not). I mean, yea, there are converts, but I'd think that the percent of people who are born with a religion and stay with it are a lot greater than converts.

Whatever you think, whatever you belief about anything is shaped, in part by your parents. You do not realize how much until you start having kids of your own.. and find yourself repeating them.

[BigBallinStalin]

I'm not gonna base a belief off of what I grew up with, though I think it's stupid to fervently say: "there is no god".

This is a fundamental truth. Rejecting what you are taught just because it is what your folks taught you is just as biased and wrong as simply believing. You have to find your own answer.

I'm not saying I'm not going to believe it because it's what my parents taught me, I'm saying I'm not going to believe it over another religion because of the fact that it's what I grew up with (that sounds contradictory, but I assure you it's not). I mean, yea, there are converts, but I'd think that the percent of people who are born with a religion and stay with it are a lot greater than converts.

Whatever you think, whatever you belief about anything is shaped, in part by your parents. You do not realize how much until you start having kids of your own.. and find yourself repeating them.

Don't worry, AoG. There are ways around this seemingly unavoidable, dismal fate of mimicking your parents.

The BigBallinStalin Summer Camp starts in June 2010!

[Army of GOD]

There's no way I'll be like my parents, I'm sorry to say. I'm pretty self-aware, and the thing I hate most is when people try to force their beliefs on others. More specifically, I hate when parents do it. When I was in high school, I had to choose between altar-serving for my church or being disowned by my mom. I figured the former would be better, but it still sucked. And it was pretty fucking embarrassing.

The thing that's hard though is finding a girl who has a similar view. I don't mind if the girl is religious, I just don't want her forcing her views on me or any potential kids.

[BigBallinStalin]

There's no way I'll be like my parents, I'm sorry to say. I'm pretty self-aware, and the thing I hate most is when people try to force their beliefs on others. More specifically, I hate when parents do it. When I was in high school, I had to choose between altar-serving for my church or being disowned by my mom. I figured the former would be better, but it still sucked. And it was pretty fucking embarrassing.

The thing that's hard though is finding a girl who has a similar view. I don't mind if the girl is religious, I just don't want her forcing her views on me or any potential kids.

Heh heh, comrade, there are plenty of beautiful women at BigBallinStalin's Summer Camp.

[PLAYER57832]

There's no way I'll be like my parents, I'm sorry to say. I'm pretty self-aware, and the thing I hate most is when people try to force their beliefs on others. More specifically, I hate when parents do it. When I was in high school, I had to choose between altar-serving for my church or being disowned by my mom. I figured the former would be better, but it still sucked. And it was pretty fucking embarrassing.

The thing that's hard though is finding a girl who has a similar view. I don't mind if the girl is religious, I just don't want her forcing her views on me or any potential kids.

You will no doubt shift many things from what your parents believe.... but you will also find your self mimicking them in ways you won't recognize until, like I say.. you hear yourself repeating your parent's words (sorry, but we ALL pretty much do it .. sometimes especially those of us who are quite sure we will be different when older ).

Anyway, my point is that we are all shaped.. AND we all have indpendent thought and the ability to be critical of what shaping we recieve, to change if we will. It is always a choice.

PS, per the women bit... try looking a bit wider. You are still young. And, consider if you are projecting the kind of attitude you want in a woman. I mean, are you truly as tolerant as you want her to be? (not making any assertion here at all, even about how you post... I am saying this is the question you need to ask yourself. It is a very, very hard thing to truly assess ourselves. Also... the real truth is you might find what you really want isn't want you think you want. I have many friends who were quite happy to ignore religion, but found themselves arguing about it after they got married.)

[john9blue]

tl;dr you can't hide from your genes aog

[notyou2]

god must exist, he dries the dishes at my house.

[Army of GOD]

tl;dr you can't hide from your genes aog

f*ck you, I don't believe you

[Juan_Bottom]

In America 1 in 8 people leave their parent's religion. When you look at other nations, that number shrinks more and more the poorer and poorer the country.

[notyou2]

Where does Canada rank?

Does this mean I have to tell god to stop drying my dishes and dry them myself?

[MatYahu]

This will be my last post at this discussion. The discussion called for evidence for the existence of "God". I am going to clearly lay out several pieces of evidence that taken as a whole strongly suggest their is a Creator of the universe, a God. My argument is that there is a Creator. Some of the evidence that serves as the premises for my conclusion is as follows...

As far as anyone knows, all life comes from life. Non-life producing life has never been observed. Abiogenesis is a myth. Belief in that abiogenesis occurred at some point requires faith. Faith can be defined according to Webster's Dictionary as " firm belief in something for which there is no proof ". The fact all life comes from life is one piece of evidence that suggests there is a God, an Eternal Life force, that always existed. All existing life comes from life and the law of biogenesis strongly suggests this.

Biogenesis serves as one premise for the argument that God exists.

Energy has always existed according to the law of energy conservation. Life can be defined as energy. The energy that animates our bodies. The body stops working and is considered dead once the energy leaves. Even if the cause of death is fixed after the energy leaves the body the body will not reanimate. Life/energy is required to animate the body. The law of energy conservation suggests there was an Eternal Life, an Energy that always existed. Since life has always existed in the form of the Eternal Energy abiogenesis is not needed. The First Life, the Eternal Energy or "God" wasn't created. Energy doesn't need to be created because it always existed. The Eternal Energy that existed before the universe is the root of all other life forms.

The law of energy conservation serves as another premise for the argument that God exists. God is understood as Life, and life energy. Energy always existed. The question "who created God" is answered with God always existed. If that answer is hard to understand perhaps the law of energy conservation can help. Energy doesn't need to be created since it has always existed.

Why do I suppose the Eternal Energy that always existed is intelligent? One reason is the words of Rich Deem that I quoted in an earlier post. (the numbers that are not percentages last 2 digits are to the power. There is an exception with the lowest probability event that can ever happen in the history of the universe equasion. The last number sequence's last three digits are to the power.)

" The laws of physics must have values very close to those observed or the universe does not work "well enough" to support life. What happens when we vary the constants? The strong nuclear force (which holds atoms together) has a value such that when the two hydrogen atoms fuse, 0.7% of the mass is converted into energy. If the value were 0.6% then a proton could not bond to a neutron, and the universe would consist only of hydrogen. If the value were 0.8%, then fusion would happen so readily that no hydrogen would have survived from the Big Bang. Other constants must be fine-tuned to an even more stringent degree. The cosmic microwave background varies by one part in 100,000. If this factor were slightly smaller, the universe would exist only as a collection of diffuse gas, since no stars or galaxies could ever form. If this factor were slightly larger, the universe would consist solely of large black holes. Likewise, the ratio of electrons to protons cannot vary by more than 1 part in 1037 or else electromagnetic interactions would prevent chemical reactions. In addition, if the ratio of the electromagnetic force constant to the gravitational constant were greater by more than 1 part in 1040, then electromagnetism would dominate gravity, preventing the formation of stars and galaxies. If the expansion rate of universe were 1 part in 1055 less than what it is, then the universe would have already collapsed. The most recently discovered physical law, the cosmological constant or dark energy, is the closest to zero of all the physical constants. In fact, a change of only 1 part in 10120 would completely negate the effect." Mr. Deem goes on to demonstrate "
"Unlikely things happen all the time." This is the mantra of the anti-design movement. However, there is an absolute physical limit for improbable events to happen in our universe. The universe contains only 1080 baryons and has only been around for 13.7 billion years (1018 sec). Since the smallest unit of time is Planck time (10-45 sec), the lowest probability event that can ever happen in the history of the universe is:

1080 x 1018 x 1045 =10143

So, although it would be possible that one or two constants might require unusual fine-tuning by chance, it would be virtually impossible that all of them would require such fine-tuning. Some physicists have indicated that any of a number of different physical laws would be compatible with our present universe. However, it is not just the current state of the universe that must be compatible with the physical laws. Even more stringent are the initial conditions of the universe, since even minor deviations would have completely disrupted the process. For example, adding a grain of sand to the weight of the universe now would have no effect. However, adding even this small amount of weight at the beginning of the universe would have resulted in its collapse early in its history."

The unlikely odds the universe could even sustain life serves as a premise for the existence of an Intelligent Designer. The clear design in the universe suggests that the Eternal Energy is intelligent. There was a cause to the big bang. Does anything at all happen with out a cause? The cause of the big bang very well could have been the energy that always existed. We have no evidence that anything else existed before the universe. We do have evidence the energy existed before, and outside the universe in the law of energy conservation.

Throughout history there have been constant reports of spiritual events, ghost stories, and metaphysical activity world wide. There is no naturally atheistic culture. Every culture has a spiritual aspect to it with their beliefs on ghosts, the afterlife, and other related topics. There have been countless people, who have claimed to witness supernatural events from the beginning of recorded history. Can all these people be lying, crazy, or mistaken? If just one person who has claimed to see a ghost is telling the truth ghosts exist. There are thousands and thousands of reports. Is it really logical to believe they are all wrong?

The fact so many people claim to have seen an apparition of a spirit, and all cultures have a spiritual aspect is the last premise I will use for my argument here. There are many others, but it would be very time consuming to state, and give details about. I think these serve nicely for this discussion. One would have to believe all the supernatural reports ever reported are the creations of either lunatics, liars, or people who are mistaken. The odds of this are clearly very unlikely.

So the argument I have presented is that there is a Creator. My premises that support this conclusion are:

All existing life comes from life, and the law of biogenesis strongly suggests this.

The law of energy conservation serves as another premise for the argument that God exists. It answer's questions about God's existence. It proves the Eternal Energy didn't need a creator, which is in accordance with the general idea of "God".

The unlikely odds the universe could even sustain life serves as a premise for the existence of an Intelligent Designer. The razor thin laws of physics supports this. The clear design in the universe suggests that the Eternal Energy is intelligent.

The countless witnesses are the last of the premises. It is illogical to assume they are all liars, crazy, or mistaken. The huge number of reports makes this even less likely.

These premises here are a few of the reasons I and many others conclude there is an Intelligent Designer. The article calls for evidence, and evidence has been provided. To reason against the existence of a God is to try to prove a negative which is impossible. Even if it's one desire to attempt to prove a negative this discussion isn't about disproving God, but rather evidence that supports His existence. It's illogical to say nobody has ever seen God. The one making that argument would have had to survey the entire world with a polygraph machine to know that. It is more rational to believe the universe was designed with intent and purpose because as a whole that's what the evidence strongly suggests.

[Army of GOD]

This will be my last post at this discussion.

Thank God...