Re-Inquisition Mafia - Heretics win!

[wicked]

lynch him! lynch him! off with his head! and burn him at the stake!

[pancakemix]

Alright, at the risk of looking totally OMGUS, Denounce Wicked

Before you all jump me, hear me out first.

Let's take a look at when wicked denounced.

Skoffin's role is from the first Inquisition game. If recruited by the cult, she becomes a janitor.

My role's like that too, but I'm a Little Girl, so I become a scum roleblocker.

I wouldn't have said anything if the cult leader were still alive and I wasn't 100% sure there was 1 scum group.

THANK YOU XC for that quote!

denounce Pancake

defend yourself pancake, b/c you're going down. There's no way to take him down w/o revealing a bit, but I was blocked last night.

Wicked jumps on immediately after XC puts out that quote. Go ahead. Check. There's a four minute difference between timestamps.

Now I have a question for good sir Aimless: Would you tell someone if they were roleblocked and, if so, under what circumstances?

Right, I agree with you right now Pancake. However the first group may still have recruiting abilities. Should've thought of that before you told the world your role.

Look at the bolded text in both of the above quotes and tell me she's not changing her justification for her vote.

Now look at how her justification plays into my next quote, right before she attacked me.

Cult recruit (if they got powers still) and kill? Although that sounds a little over-powered.

It's already been said that when a cult member is by himself, he can either recruit or kill. It's assumed he's by himself since 2 are gone and how the last game was set up.

There was a kill last night, so either we have a vig and scum recruited or scum killed and there is no vig/vig didn't kill. I think we have a vig like we have a second mafia.

I doubt it too, now that we've had a couple nights of info to go off of. Still doesn't change the fact that both you and Skoffin have claimed roles the scum would love to recruit. And no one else has come forward to say they blocked me with a pro-town blocking role, so it's looking even worse for you pancake.

The Watchman role (if I remember right) is also a protective role, so him coming forward would cost us a doc.

OK, never heard of that role, but I do NOT want the doc to out himself, b/c I'm hoping he'll protect me.

Still doesn't change the fact that there's a good chance I'm right about you being scum and you are a liability to the town, along with skoffin.

She has a power, but wants to be roleblocked? That makes a LOT of sense...

BTW, if I'm wrong about Pancake, which I don't think I am, you guys can lynch me 'tomorrow'.

You might as well lynch her today, because she's wrong. To put it bluntly.

[wicked]

Un-O-Fish-All Denunciation Count

• XenCobra (1)
• wicked (2)
• pancakemix (6)
• Skoffin (6)
• gagagooey (1)
• auto/nuetralino (1)
• moz the mod (2)
• Tappalappagus (1)

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch!

The deadline for Day 3 is at Midnight, US EDT, Thursday, August 16th.

[wicked]

no pancake, I said I wanted the doc to protect me. yes I know you're thinking there's a combo role like last time. well guess what, I'm ain't assuming anything. if there's a doc who can protect w/o blocking, that's what I want, and that's what I was speaking to. you guys are assuming everything is the exact same as last time, when Aim pretty much came out and said it wouldn't be. I'm not assuming it's the same at all. I'm hoping there's a plain ol' doc who can protect me.

[wicked]

BTW genius, yes I post quickly.... been doing it all game. your point? btw, the genius scum fastposted me there, I now have 3 votes.

[pancakemix]

no pancake, I said I wanted the doc to protect me. yes I know you're thinking there's a combo role like last time. well guess what, I'm ain't assuming anything. if there's a doc who can protect w/o blocking, that's what I want, and that's what I was speaking to. you guys are assuming everything is the exact same as last time, when Aim pretty much came out and said it wouldn't be. I'm not assuming it's the same at all. I'm hoping there's a plain ol' doc who can protect me.

Actually, you are assuming scum have recruiting powers still, and since my role, Skoffin's role, and Koesen's role were from the last game, I think it's safe to assume that the Watchman could be repeated as well. You picked one thing out of that whole post to cry foul, where I have about 5 points.

Unless of course, you DO know that they still do have recruiting powers. But how would you know that...

Also, town, DO Not, I repeat DO NOT lynch me until Aimless answers my question.

[wicked]

I can tell you Aim told me I was blocked. He did stop short of saying you did it though. I know, I know, you want to hear it from him. blah blah.

I responded to the only thing worth responding to.

Who wants to hammer? Too bad I'm MC Wicked and not MC Hammer! Hammer Time! *dances while waiting for Aim*

[wicked]

Also, town, DO Not, I repeat DO NOT lynch me until Aimless answers my question.

Funny you address the town as though you're not a part of it.

[pancakemix]

Also, town, DO Not, I repeat DO NOT lynch me until Aimless answers my question.

Funny you address the town as though you're not a part of it.

How would you address a collective of whom the majority is pro-town?

[wicked]

keep talking, and I'll keep pointing out where you slip up. I've caught scum on slipups like that before.

sounds like you know your scum buddy/(ies?) won't hammer you, so are pleading with the town not to hammer you.

[pancakemix]

keep talking, and I'll keep pointing out where you slip up. I've caught scum on slipups like that before.

sounds like you know your scum buddy/(ies?) won't hammer you, so are pleading with the town not to hammer you.

You can keep talking. I'll be laughing when you join me in hell tomorrow. Do you know what they do to people who kill little girls?

[ga7]

Ugh... 10 pages to go. I got shitloads of quotes to sort out though
I agree on the roles looking similar than the first game. Besides, it wouldn't make sense, in the optic that town's power needs to be balanced, that there is a simple doc instead of the Watcher kind.

[wicked]

Pancake, if you really were a townie, you'd be more worried about scum hammering you than town. Yet you plead to the town. SCUMBUCKET!

[pancakemix]

Pancake, if you really were a townie, you'd be more worried about scum hammering you than town. Yet you plead to the town. SCUMBUCKET!

Tomorrow you'll be wishing you hadn't said "If I'm wrong on pancake lynch me". I guarantee it.

[wicked]

got anything yet ga? I've got to leave in about 30 minutes. Sure hope you didn't waste your time on my posts.

[ga7]

I don't know if I'll have a post ready in 30 mns, but I'll try I won't make a case on you yet, because of this:

BTW, if I'm wrong about Pancake, which I don't think I am, you guys can lynch me 'tomorrow'.

[wicked]

And also, I won't be on tomorrow to defend myself.

[Aimless]

Now I have a question for good sir Aimless: Would you tell someone if they were roleblocked and, if so, under what circumstances?

I do not tell anyone that they were specifically "roleblocked." Roles who normally receive responses to their night actions are told when those actions fail, but are not given the reason why they fail. Roles which receive no response are told nothing.

I can't say anything beyond this without potentially giving something away.

[wicked]

And before anyone goes apeshit b/c I said blocked, I was told my action did not go through (or soemthing along those lines), which the only thing that could be in my eyes is a roleblock.

[pancakemix]

I can tell you Aim told me I was blocked. He did stop short of saying you did it though. I know, I know, you want to hear it from him. blah blah.

I responded to the only thing worth responding to.

Who wants to hammer? Too bad I'm MC Wicked and not MC Hammer! Hammer Time! *dances while waiting for Aim*

Now I have a question for good sir Aimless: Would you tell someone if they were roleblocked and, if so, under what circumstances?

I do not tell anyone that they were specifically "roleblocked." Roles who normally receive responses to their night actions are told when those actions fail, but are not given the reason why they fail. Roles which receive no response are told nothing.

I can't say anything beyond this without potentially giving something away.

What's that? Do I detect a scum in this room?

[wicked]

only if you're smelling your upper lip!

[ga7]

Here's my case on XC. As you all know, he claimed "Normal Townie" at the end of Day 1. Here's what happened day 2:

Bugger, I was just beginning to believe I might escape LSU's cough of doom. Well, at least I took him down with me and had you all fooled with my roleclaim

First of all, because it brings insight on the rest, this was Koesie right after his day kill. Now let's rewind a bit...

I'm willing to participate in another lynch, since we're almost garantueed to have caught scum with the first one. But who?

I already denounced Jake for drawing attention away from LSU. He may be scum, or he may just be thick.

I think ga7 was slow to catch on to LSU, but not necessarily suspiciously so. For now, he is not high on my list.

Wicked's suggestion for a replacement instead of a modkill doesn't look particularly scummy to me.

I still have a fos on Exile for his unwavering defense of LSU. He and Jake are my Top Two now.

Talapus? I don't know. I don't really see it.

Fircoal, I expect to be modkilled. No need for a lynch.

Mos really needs to shpw up and say something useful. Regardless of what he is, his contributions to this game amount to zero.nothingmuch. I guess he's my number three.

Everybody else... I have no particular impression of you

Of those two, I find Moz most suspicious. After a slow start, Xen is definitely outposting him by a mile and his posts tend to have more content too.

Of course, it's hard to get something out of the first post as he did it not long after LSU's lynch; the second, however, was pretty close to his own death.

Then, on the impulse of Kwan, XC is put on the grill for his claim :

I said normal to let everyone know, I don't have a power role. That I'm a plain and old boring townie.

are you a survivor then? or just a normal townie?

I am a survivor yes. I didn't it since, I never knew that everyone eles was that. And I saw claiming survivor proved as a disadvantage since, I'm not on any side, and would be an easy lynch that wouldn't hurt the game.

There is no detriment to claiming survivor in this mafia game. Most vanillas are survivors. I remember someone said aimless made it that way to even the odds since the town has multiple lynches.

Also, it seemed like you slipped up here. I said it before: TOWNIES HAVE NO REASON TO LIE! It seems to me that you fake claimed vanilla and now that everyone is accusing you because of the whole survivor thing you change it up.

I never knew most vanillas are survivors, and I must of missed that post that says that. I said why, I claimed townie and not a survivor.

So could Willis, Talapus, Skoffin, Auto, etc. Anyone of them could of been a good recruit, not just me.

I didn't really agree with Kwan there, but this defense was obviously a pretty weak after-the-fact catchup; then he simply did his best trying to throw the heat to other people.

In short, I see the usefulness of a PCM & Skoffin lynch, to cover the hypothesis that the cult scum still has recruiting powers. However, there is absolutely no reason to let XC pass yet again through the net, as he deserves it even more for his previous actions IMO.

[Aimless]

Denunciation Count

• XenCobra (1) - ga7
• wicked (3) - ga7, mandalorian, pancakemix
• pancakemix (6) - wicked, mandalorian, Syzygy, Neutrino, The1exile, willis
• Skoffin (6) - mandalorian, wicked, Syzygy, Neutrino, The1exile, willis
• moz (2) - XenCobra, wicked
• Talapus (1) - wicked
• Neutrino (1) - The1exile
• ga7 (1) - moz
• Yet to Denounce (3) - nagerous, Talapus, Skoffin

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch!

The deadline for Day 3 is at Midnight, US EDT, Thursday, August 16th.

[wicked]

I'd go along with an XC lynch, along with Skoffin and Pancake today. We have the numbers now, so can afford to be aggressive. I'll denounce later, as I didn't get a chance to really read through your post yet, and I have to go catch a bus!

[mandalorian2298]

This is wicked accepting Koesen's claim at face value.

I always question anybody about their claim. Getting people to talk about their roles, and role specifics, can often lead to slipups. Doesn't mean I believe someone's role claim just b/c I ask them for more details. This game is partly about getting information and talking, ya know.

I never said anything about you asking him questions. Asking questions is good. I was just saying that Koesen claimed Explorer after being cornered and your reaction was "Wow. Explorer sounds like such a great role", not "So, what have you found out during Night 1".

With the recruiter is gone, does that mean one of his goons now steps up into recruiter role?

This is wicked screaming: SINCE I AM NOT SCUM, I REALLY DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THIS! PLEASE MOD, GIVE ME THIS INFORMATION ABOUT HOW YOUR MAFIA CULT WORKS!

Nope, that was wicked legitimately asking how a recruiter role works, not remembering ever playing with one before. I never asked the game mod how he's running his cult. This was me discussing possibilities, a possibility I think still might be the case here. Stop putting words in my mouth Mandy.

Name one game where you have asked the Mod a questions about the game mecahnics while being Pro-town and I might believe that.

Also note that wicked was among the last to denounce Koesen. That brings me to the good news: I don't think that there is a second mafia. I think that the Vig killed Serbia, because (while I was reading Day 2) he seemed to be defending Koesen (voted Jake in response to his voting Koesen.)

Whoa, did I miss something? Did someone claim Vig? Who is the "he" you are talking about?

Nobody claimed Vig. Serbia claimed male.

1. honestly don't remember what I asked him, and am too lazy/tired to look

2. take your pick. all of my recent games. Nag's Mario game. This game multiple times. all the games run together for me now, but I do it often, and all I've been lately is town roles, so like I said, take your pick.

3. I really am tired, I read that 3 times and still didnt' get it. sorry!

1. Skimming is a usual mafia tactic.

2. So what you are saying is that you have played dozens of mafia games but you are still unsure how they work.

3. Of course you didn't get it. You are scum! You never get stuff when you are scum. There is absolutly no need to apologize for the most usefull of your many tells (see Sherwood mafia for confirmation )