Matrix Mafia Endgame, Town and Survivors win!

edocsil · Post by **edocsil** » Wed May 23, 2012 8:57 pm

Some7hingCLEVER wrote:
edocsil wrote: There is going to be so much egg on my face if I am wrong here.
what do you mean?

I've been a bit of a dick pointing to Vodean. If Vodean actually turns out to be town it means I was a dick for little purpose.

Iron Butterfly · Post by **Iron Butterfly** » Wed May 23, 2012 9:07 pm

My apologies for my inactivity this game. I have been active in my other game and ignored this one for a bit as i felt overwhelmed.
I have caught up just in time as the game has gotten interesting. Vodean has certainly spiced the game up and given it a jump start.

With that said I will focus my full attention on this game from here on out.

Iron Butterfly · Post by **Iron Butterfly** » Wed May 23, 2012 9:15 pm

edocsil wrote:
Some7hingCLEVER wrote:
edocsil wrote: There is going to be so much egg on my face if I am wrong here.
what do you mean?
I've been a bit of a dick pointing to Vodean. If Vodean actually turns out to be town it means I was a dick for little purpose.

LOL understatement of the day. Its not what you say its how you say it. I am happy you acknowledged it.

You have brought up valid points. I post here because you seem to have a book on him/her. I was under the assumption she is a girl from her history. i also thought she was a noob she certainly posts like one. She sees something, makes a correlation in her mind and so there for believes she is right.

Is Vodean really a guy? I ask because it changes my perception on the motivation of the player if that is true. That combined with the complete WIFOM mafia list makes them either an overzealous noob or someone with another agenda.

I am willing to give the benifit of the doubt to Clever for the moment. I lean more toward Vodean.

safariguy5 · Post by **safariguy5** » Wed May 23, 2012 9:16 pm

I remind everyone again that italicized quotes at the end of certain scenes are purely for flavor. Characters who are mentioned in them may or may not be in the game, but I caution against reading too deeply into them as they hold no hidden meaning. If they become too distracting from gameplay, I will remove them from the game.

Incidentally, I was planning on appending them to the end of lynch scenes as well.

Some7hingCLEVER · Post by **Some7hingCLEVER** » Wed May 23, 2012 9:20 pm

never mind i typed it up and its all gone o well ill do it tommorow

Nebuchadnezer · Post by **Nebuchadnezer** » Wed May 23, 2012 9:31 pm

edocsil wrote: There is going to be so much egg on my face if I am wrong here.

Dam right there will...and I will be all over you for it. If you're going to be a jerk in your posts, and take on that kind of attitude, you will have to pay the price. It seems you let your little quote in your signature go to your head...I have yet to see anything spectacular from you, to indicate you are "VERY good.

Some7hingCLEVER · Post by **Some7hingCLEVER** » Wed May 23, 2012 9:37 pm

Nebuchadnezer wrote:
edocsil wrote: There is going to be so much egg on my face if I am wrong here.
Dam right there will...and I will be all over you for it. If you're going to be a jerk in your posts, and take on that kind of attitude, you will have to pay the price. It seems you let your little quote in your signature go to your head...I have yet to see anything spectacular from you, to indicate you are "VERY good.

so does this mean if he comes up town i can be all over your ass? ya i will cause your being a huge hipocrite. if your gonna be on someone for being a dick bag then dont do it yourself.

pmchugh · Post by **pmchugh** » Wed May 23, 2012 9:58 pm

Another poor case tbh, I find it ironic that on one hand people are blindly following edoc and on the other criticising his playing style.

jak111 · Post by **jak111** » Wed May 23, 2012 9:59 pm

pmchugh wrote:Another poor case tbh, I find it ironic that on one hand people are blindly following edoc and on the other criticising his playing style.

It's not edoc we're following, it's the fact Vodean is 'pinning' 6-10 different players as mafia! That's crazy o.e

pmchugh · Post by **pmchugh** » Wed May 23, 2012 10:02 pm

jak111 wrote:
pmchugh wrote:Another poor case tbh, I find it ironic that on one hand people are blindly following edoc and on the other criticising his playing style.
It's not edoc we're following, it's the fact Vodean is 'pinning' 6-10 different players as mafia! That's crazy o.e

True, there is definitely something strange about vodeans magical psychic powers that needs explaining, but if you can explain to me why that is a mafia tell and not just a weird play then I will gladly vote vode.

DoomYoshi · Post by **DoomYoshi** » Wed May 23, 2012 10:05 pm

Case on vodean is bad on principle. Don't lynch someone the first day they get back after catching up.

I want all VTs to claim now. We don't want any chance of mafia hiding behind that claim. Any VT not claimed by tonight I will lynch when they try that claim.

jak111 · Post by **jak111** » Wed May 23, 2012 10:07 pm

pmchugh wrote:
jak111 wrote:
pmchugh wrote:Another poor case tbh, I find it ironic that on one hand people are blindly following edoc and on the other criticising his playing style.
It's not edoc we're following, it's the fact Vodean is 'pinning' 6-10 different players as mafia! That's crazy o.e
True, there is definitely something strange about vodeans magical psychic powers that needs explaining, but if you can explain to me why that is a mafia tell and not just a weird play then I will gladly vote vode.

Since multiple people are saying she/he has been here before.. and he/she is pinning THAT many as mafia.. hasn't he/she ever heard of ratios? That would almost be half town from D1 that are mafia -.-..

Fastposted by Doom, I agree and disagree Doom. That's in the middle for me for help wise.

pmchugh · Post by **pmchugh** » Wed May 23, 2012 10:11 pm

jak111 wrote:
pmchugh wrote:
jak111 wrote:
pmchugh wrote:Another poor case tbh, I find it ironic that on one hand people are blindly following edoc and on the other criticising his playing style.
It's not edoc we're following, it's the fact Vodean is 'pinning' 6-10 different players as mafia! That's crazy o.e
True, there is definitely something strange about vodeans magical psychic powers that needs explaining, but if you can explain to me why that is a mafia tell and not just a weird play then I will gladly vote vode.
Since multiple people are saying she/he has been here before.. and he/she is pinning THAT many as mafia.. hasn't he/she ever heard of ratios? That would almost be half town from D1 that are mafia -.-..

Fastposted by Doom, I agree and disagree Doom. That's in the middle for me for help wise.

If vodean was experienced, then why would (s)he do this as mafia? I can't explain the play, but that also means I can't explain it as a mafia play.

Nebuchadnezer · Post by **Nebuchadnezer** » Wed May 23, 2012 11:29 pm

pmchugh wrote:Another poor case tbh, I find it ironic that on one hand people are blindly following edoc and on the other criticising his playing style.

Well, his insistence on Some7hing CLEVER being town is what got me off of CLEVER. I voted with him as a mock, because that would seem to be the only way to keep him happy, is if everyone just followed him. I was surprised at how many just piled on after me.

But I'll back off...because, I think Mouse is a better claim than Kid. I admit I have no idea where to go from here. I'm sure this will get more interesting in a few game days, but this blind wandering has left me chasing the wind with no real purpose.

unvote

everywhere116 · Post by **everywhere116** » Wed May 23, 2012 11:36 pm

@vodean "What! Accusing poor, lovable Bender of a crime? That's the last straw!"

DoomYoshi wrote:Case on vodean is bad on principle. Don't lynch someone the first day they get back after catching up.

I want all VTs to claim now. We don't want any chance of mafia hiding behind that claim. Any VT not claimed by tonight I will lynch when they try that claim.

Perhaps you are trying to get all the VTs to claim so you know who not to kill?

safariguy5 · Post by **safariguy5** » Thu May 24, 2012 12:29 am

Vote Count

clever(7)- leehar, dj, vodean, hippo, ghostly, everywhere, soundman
sg7(1)- betiko
hippo(1)- jonty
betiko(1)- everywhere
pmc(1)- doom
vodean(4)- edoc, jak, chuck, clever

With 20 alive, it takes 11 to lynch.

edocsil · Post by **edocsil** » Thu May 24, 2012 3:06 am

Nebuchadnezer wrote:
edocsil wrote: There is going to be so much egg on my face if I am wrong here.
Dam right there will...and I will be all over you for it. If you're going to be a jerk in your posts, and take on that kind of attitude, you will have to pay the price. It seems you let your little quote in your signature go to your head...I have yet to see anything spectacular from you, to indicate you are "VERY good.

O.o Don't like how a player acts --> Lynch? But only if their wrong?

pmchugh wrote:Another poor case tbh, I find it ironic that on one hand people are blindly following edoc and on the other criticising his playing style.

I know. I don't get it either.

Nebuchadnezer wrote: I have yet to see anything spectacular from you, to indicate you are "VERY good.

It was from before you even registered to play on this site, from the original matrix mafia specifically. The quote read "don't trust edoc, he is very good at making up claims." I bastardized it as a joke and it just stuck. You think it's arrogance, when the people who actually played at the time knew it was poking fun of my over reliance on flavor and an active imagination. Some of you guys have been exceedingly quick to judge, and based of very little information.

But, whatever. It is off topic and largely irrelevant. Mostly all I am posing for is to express my concerns that some of the guys who I consider to be the best at this game are not agreeing with my case. Hopefully I will be able to address some of you concerns, but I'll have to do it in the morning, it is 3 am here.

thehippo8 · Post by **thehippo8** » Thu May 24, 2012 3:26 am

Well I'd be hypocritical to stay on Clever now given the VT claim. And Edoc, I'm so used to your trickster ways that I'm ultra careful now! But to be fair I can't realistically vote for Vodean either. I agree that some of Vodean's posts were a bit weird, but that was explained and there was a power of information to get through. I go back to my epic post on page 68 and I still see some clear patterns. But it's still early days and I believe they will mean more as the days go on. Frankly nothing much has happened today yet, at least nothing to take away from my epic post.

Anyway, Ghostly has finally bunged in a vote. Mid-Clever case and somewhat contradictory in the language employed. That is to say, it doesn't seem that Ghostly really had his heart in the vote. It looks a lot like he read my epic post and realised he'd better do something or he won't get away with submarining much longer. Well, frankly I want to know more about you ghostly!! So, to start the pressure ... unvote vote Ghostly

vodean · Post by **vodean** » Thu May 24, 2012 7:12 am

ok, im not saying that they are all mafia. that would be ridiculous. at one point or another, you also bw'ed on them. that is the result of posting day 1 observations day 3... at this point im just saying that it seems a little scummy.

i DO think that it is worth lynching clever. if i am wrong, we leave hippo and co. alone, and move on (perhaps back to jack and doom), or perhaps on to IB, leehar, chuck, and edoc, who seem normal most of the time, but with the occasional scummy post.
that is 8 people, 1/3rd. its an appropriate ratio (the max, but appropriate). i dont think that they are ALL mafia. just that at least one group among them are, which brings the ratio down. yes. i did FOS others, but that was for one or two posts.

like i've been saying the whole while, lynch me if you want, but listen to what i've said in the following days.
Also, no one has counter-claimed, so my claim is quite possible, and its a fairly major character

MoB Deadly · Post by **MoB Deadly** » Thu May 24, 2012 7:53 am

I think vodean is scum...

I don't like her cases, she has SOME good things to say, but there's a lot I disagree with. And as others said, she can't just rant and rave that half the game is scum without getting the spotlight turned back on her.

One major thing that keeps bothering me is the name claim. Her claim is the ONLY one that has not fit the pattern yet. I think its definitely worth exploring. And she claimed early with no pressure which doesn't make sense

The only reason I am not voting is that she must have spent hours and hours catching up on this game. If we cannot find a better case, I am not going to have much of a choice.

betiko · Post by **betiko** » Thu May 24, 2012 7:55 am

vodean wrote:im still for this lynch... hes had 48 hours to think about it and pick a nobody to claim as that would most likely not have been included... he could have had plenty of time to mull over it with his scumbuddies hippo, edoc, sg7, everything, and chuck.

that is sketchy flavor analysis...
he was talked to... but that scene was about mifune's death only. not the kid

seriously? either you are a really bad player, either you are scummy as hell. sorry about the 80 pages.
unvote, vote vodean

Some7hingCLEVER · Post by **Some7hingCLEVER** » Thu May 24, 2012 8:23 am

vodean wrote:ok, im not saying that they are all mafia. that would be ridiculous. at one point or another, you also bw'ed on them. that is the result of posting day 1 observations day 3... at this point im just saying that it seems a little scummy.

i DO think that it is worth lynching clever. if i am wrong, we leave hippo and co. alone, and move on (perhaps back to jack and doom), or perhaps on to IB, leehar, chuck, and edoc, who seem normal most of the time, but with the occasional scummy post.
that is 8 people, 1/3rd. its an appropriate ratio (the max, but appropriate). i dont think that they are ALL mafia. just that at least one group among them are, which brings the ratio down. yes. i did FOS others, but that was for one or two posts.

like i've been saying the whole while, lynch me if you want, but listen to what i've said in the following days.
Also, no one has counter-claimed, so my claim is quite possible, and its a fairly major character

why are you so hellbent on killing me. i am a claimed VT. i mean seriously i know VT are kinda pointless at night. but look at my post during the days i have contributed more than alot of people. if your gonna lynch a vt then look at the others. there are more than me to lynch. i am useful to town. when i am a power role i dont do much but when a vt i use the only power i got. thats speaking and contributing. and i have been doing that. more than other people anyway.

to the last paragraph. can i use that defense as well? i claimed and wasnt counterclaimed. im starting to doubt you being town. if you do die i hope noone looks into anything you said cause its all illogical and irrational.

pmchugh · Post by **pmchugh** » Thu May 24, 2012 8:31 am

MoB Deadly wrote:I think vodean is scum...

I don't like her cases, she has SOME good things to say, but there's a lot I disagree with. And as others said, she can't just rant and rave that half the game is scum without getting the spotlight turned back on her.

One major thing that keeps bothering me is the name claim. Her claim is the ONLY one that has not fit the pattern yet. I think its definitely worth exploring. And she claimed early with no pressure which doesn't make sense

The only reason I am not voting is that she must have spent hours and hours catching up on this game. If we cannot find a better case, I am not going to have much of a choice.

Oh look the mafia showed up to pressure the case of the day, but not vote. Voting makes you appear on VC's.. best stay under the radar until you're sure we can get a lynch.

Some7hingCLEVER · Post by **Some7hingCLEVER** » Thu May 24, 2012 8:37 am

MoB Deadly wrote:I think vodean is scum...

I don't like her cases, she has SOME good things to say, but there's a lot I disagree with. And as others said, she can't just rant and rave that half the game is scum without getting the spotlight turned back on her.

One major thing that keeps bothering me is the name claim. Her claim is the ONLY one that has not fit the pattern yet. I think its definitely worth exploring. And she claimed early with no pressure which doesn't make sense

The only reason I am not voting is that she must have spent hours and hours catching up on this game. If we cannot find a better case, I am not going to have much of a choice.

i dont like this. regardless how many pages they read doesnt excuse them from being scum. if i replaced in this game and was the GF could i slide with being scummy the whole day? no. we all read the entire thing as well just not in the same time span. regardless she is acting scummy and i dont like it at all.

vodean · Post by **vodean** » Thu May 24, 2012 9:03 am

pmchugh wrote:
MoB Deadly wrote:I think vodean is scum...

I don't like her cases, she has SOME good things to say, but there's a lot I disagree with. And as others said, she can't just rant and rave that half the game is scum without getting the spotlight turned back on her.

One major thing that keeps bothering me is the name claim. Her claim is the ONLY one that has not fit the pattern yet. I think its definitely worth exploring. And she claimed early with no pressure which doesn't make sense

The only reason I am not voting is that she must have spent hours and hours catching up on this game. If we cannot find a better case, I am not going to have much of a choice.
Oh look the mafia showed up to pressure the case of the day, but not vote. Voting makes you appear on VC's.. best stay under the radar until you're sure we can get a lynch.

how would you know that the mafia showed up to pressure, but not vote? FOS pmc... unless im misunderstanding

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