Deadwood Mafia Its all over! Thanks for playing

nagerous · Post by **nagerous** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 2:29 pm

Its not going to be one of these dreams where Han Solo is the bad guy?

Anarkistsdream · Post by **Anarkistsdream** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 2:30 pm

Clive is Hearst mafia...

I am not positive, but I have strong suspicions.

No, it is not from any certain post, so quoting things will do no good.

I also believe ExplainThis is on the same side as Clive.

Just my two bits.

Now where's that whore?

mandalorian2298 · Post by **mandalorian2298** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 2:56 pm

nagerous wrote:Its not going to be one of these dreams where Han Solo is the bad guy?

Han Solo is never the bad guy, cocksucker!

His cousin Thacken was the bad guy.

Talapus · Post by **Talapus** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 4:10 pm

mandalorian2298 wrote:
CrabNebula wrote:Oh well, I died

Woe to whoever killed me!
I don't know if this will be any comfort, but you were my first suspect when I went back to re-read, cocksucker.

Tal, there are too mods who put Lyncher in a big game.

Huh...sounds like a bad idea to me. Anyway, we all know I'm not that because I already would have won...so

Also Anark, I'm interested to hear why you believe clive and Explainthis are on the same side. It does look like they may be trying to support each other every now and then, but I would even have a hard time pointing out examples of that. However, gimpy gave us numerous ways to discover stuff in the night phase....So, if you heard something or saw something that you can't repeat which makes you believe they're mafia, then you've pretty much already sold me

Anarkistsdream · Post by **Anarkistsdream** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 4:11 pm

If we get rid of Clive, and I happen to be correct, then someone should make sure ExplainThis dies over the night.

Talapus · Post by **Talapus** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 4:16 pm

Anarkistsdream wrote:If we get rid of Clive, and I happen to be correct, then someone should make sure ExplainThis dies over the night.

Good luck with that. I've been barking up that tree since the game started and just keep getting shot down. If the wagon leaves the station to lynchville though I'm on board.

Anarkistsdream · Post by **Anarkistsdream** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 4:17 pm

Talapus wrote:
Anarkistsdream wrote:If we get rid of Clive, and I happen to be correct, then someone should make sure ExplainThis dies over the night.
Good luck with that. I've been barking up that tree since the game started and just keep getting shot down. If the wagon leaves the station to lynchville though I'm on board.

I already voted. Someone has to, or else the game won't progress. If you feel that you have to wait for a bandwagon to make a vote like that, you're playing the wrong game.

Talapus · Post by **Talapus** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 4:19 pm

I don't need a bandwagon, infact I think it's pretty clear I've distrusted him from the beginning. It's just the minute I vote or FOS him everyone is questioning my motives and wondering what the hell I'm doing...lol. But yes, if enough people actually vote for clive and we find out he's mafia(Entirely plausible since he replaced) then Explainthis will be at the top of my list.

Talapus · Post by **Talapus** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 4:23 pm

Cena-rules is up there too, but I'm not as convinced by mandy's logic yet that he's scum. Maybe I need to hear another wild/random theory

. Right now it's just based on the voting thing he pointed out and that was towards the beginning of the game. As I recall day one lasted forever with serveral bandwagons....So, I'm really not sure how much faith I can put into evidence against him. Maybe if I have the time I'll go back and look for something else a little more concrete. It will have to be after work though tonight.

ExplainThis · Post by **ExplainThis** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 4:30 pm

Talapus wrote:I don't need a bandwagon, infact I think it's pretty clear I've distrusted him from the beginning. It's just the minute I vote or FOS him everyone is questioning my motives and wondering what the hell I'm doing...lol. But yes, if enough people actually vote for clive and we find out he's mafia(Entirely plausible since he replaced) then Explainthis will be at the top of my list.

If someone was going to think me scum I honestly thought it would be for my defense of both of the scum that are currently dead. I don't think I've really gone out of my way to defend Clive though. Can someone who thinks Clive being scum damns me outline why it does so?

mandalorian2298 · Post by **mandalorian2298** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 4:45 pm

Talapus wrote:Cena-rules is up there too, but I'm not as convinced by mandy's logic yet that he's scum. Maybe I need to hear another wild/random theory . Right now it's just based on the voting thing he pointed out and that was towards the beginning of the game. As I recall day one lasted forever with serveral bandwagons....

Yes there were many many wonderfull bandwagons during long long Day 1. If only the good Townfolk listened to that player who kept yelling: "Let's just lynch browng for he is obviously scum!"

Look, I won't play lynching game against Cena, because I doubt that people would consider lynching me for making a mistake after I got lynched browng (with LSU's invaluable help, of course

). I am however going to point out that my theory about Cena is a better reason to lynch someone then is your and AD's irritatedness with Explain and Clive. So, either someone find a better target or let's lynch Cena.

Anarkistsdream · Post by **Anarkistsdream** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 4:55 pm

My vote is not due to irritation. It is due to a gut feeling. And, I find my gut feelings are generally more accurate than yours.

Talapus · Post by **Talapus** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 4:59 pm

ExplainThis wrote:
If someone was going to think me scum I honestly thought it would be for my defense of both of the scum that are currently dead. I don't think I've really gone out of my way to defend Clive though. Can someone who thinks Clive being scum damns me outline why it does so?

It's not so much your defense of Clive that intrests me....it was his defense of you about twenty pages back. I kinda believed Fircoal when he claimed actor. But, he also really didn't care at the time he claimed before he left. Now, when you replaced, you obviously claimed actor. Whether it's the truth or not, I have no idea, but I was inclined to believe it. However. back on pages 98,99,100?, when you were having an argument with AD about not answering questions he asked. I found it very odd that Clive just popped up after an absence of several pages and posts a few times:

Clive wrote:AD can't be paying much attention to the game if he thinks ET is lurking and that he's scum because of it. He's one of the most active here...

Clive wrote:My votes were based on me thinking they acted scummy day 1 and what Koesen said.

I would also be happy to lynch AD based on what he's just done.

Then he wanted to vote AD because of the \argument you had with him. Why? What possible reason would there be for Clive to come to the defense of an Actor?

That's it...in a nutshell. I've made my case against Clive and don't trust him. You may very well be an actor, but if Clive gets lynched and he turns out to be mafia I'm voting for you for that reason. I've never played in a game where there was any benefit to come to the aid of and Actor. No offense, but it's not a hugely important role. If he's mafia, well he defended you in my eyes and that makes me think your not an actor.

There, did I explain it enough?

ExplainThis · Post by **ExplainThis** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 5:11 pm

Talapus wrote:
ExplainThis wrote:
If someone was going to think me scum I honestly thought it would be for my defense of both of the scum that are currently dead. I don't think I've really gone out of my way to defend Clive though. Can someone who thinks Clive being scum damns me outline why it does so?
It's not so much your defense of Clive that intrests me....it was his defense of you about twenty pages back. I kinda believed Fircoal when he claimed actor. But, he also really didn't care at the time he claimed before he left. Now, when you replaced, you obviously claimed actor. Whether it's the truth or not, I have no idea, but I was inclined to believe it. However. back on pages 98,99,100?, when you were having an argument with AD about not answering questions he asked. I found it very odd that Clive just popped up after an absence of several pages and posts a few times:

Clive wrote:AD can't be paying much attention to the game if he thinks ET is lurking and that he's scum because of it. He's one of the most active here...

Clive wrote:My votes were based on me thinking they acted scummy day 1 and what Koesen said.

I would also be happy to lynch AD based on what he's just done.
Then he wanted to vote AD because of the \argument you had with him. Why? What possible reason would there be for Clive to come to the defense of an Actor?

That's it...in a nutshell. I've made my case against Clive and don't trust him. You may very well be an actor, but if Clive gets lynched and he turns out to be mafia I'm voting for you for that reason. I've never played in a game where there was any benefit to come to the aid of and Actor. No offense, but it's not a hugely important role. If he's mafia, well he defended you in my eyes and that makes me think your not an actor.

There, did I explain it enough?

You did. I hadn't really noticed it at the time but I can think of another reason he'd defend me, he defended fircoal heavily at the time of his day 1 wagon because he(Clive) was a priest. Its possible that his involvement in that incident left him with a strong feeling that I/fircoal was town. Clive being relatively new to the game (or so I gather) may not have considered that I was an actor, just that I was someone whom he thought to be town. Of course this explanation more explains why he'd defend me as town. As for reasons to defend me as scum.. I got nothing. sometimes scum defend townies to look good but I wasn't likely to die anytime soon because I'm little threat the scum(of course he could influence their kill) and I don't think I was on many people scum lists at that point in time. I guess as a new player he could have not realized I wouldn't likely be dying, or have defended me with reason 1 in mind. hmm. Now I hope he's town.

Talapus · Post by **Talapus** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 5:19 pm

mandalorian2298 wrote:
... So, either someone find a better target or let's lynch Cena.

Point taken. I really don't think there is a better target at the moment. In all honesty, this is probably the one suspect most of us can agree on based the the current evidence. I'll unvote(if needed) & vote - - - - Cena. I'll still try looking back later tonight after work to find something more against him. But I gotta shower and leave soon.

F1fth · Post by **F1fth** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 7:47 pm

Plus, there's that whole "Does his vote count because he's an actor?" fiasco, which I thought cleared Fircoal/ET. Am I mistaken on this?

Anyway, my vote remains.

nagerous · Post by **nagerous** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 7:49 pm

Yes I believe that to be the case F1fth. Whilst AD perceives there to be a link between Clive and ExtraThis I do not believe this to be an accurate sentiment. However, I am still happy at this point in time on putting a bit of pressure on Clive as I don't see it hurting anyone as of right now.

ExplainThis · Post by **ExplainThis** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 7:49 pm

F1fth wrote:Plus, there's that whole "Does his vote count because he's an actor?" fiasco, which I thought cleared Fircoal/ET. Am I mistaken on this?

Anyway, my vote remains.

No real reason I couldn't be a scum actor.

nagerous · Post by **nagerous** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 7:52 pm

ExplainThis wrote:
F1fth wrote:Plus, there's that whole "Does his vote count because he's an actor?" fiasco, which I thought cleared Fircoal/ET. Am I mistaken on this?

Anyway, my vote remains.
No real reason I couldn't be a scum actor.

Are you deliberately being irksome?

ExplainThis · Post by **ExplainThis** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 7:58 pm

nagerous wrote:
ExplainThis wrote:
F1fth wrote:Plus, there's that whole "Does his vote count because he's an actor?" fiasco, which I thought cleared Fircoal/ET. Am I mistaken on this?

Anyway, my vote remains.
No real reason I couldn't be a scum actor.
Are you deliberately being irksome?

No. As a town I feel deception is a bad policy so I try to point out inaccuracies even if I have inside info that proves the inaccuracy correct.

nagerous · Post by **nagerous** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 8:00 pm

But deceiving the town when your town yourself is fun!!! (Mainly because your not giving the scum material that they can use against you if something your doing can be construed as scummy when its perfectly innocent)

Especially when it comes to mason switching.

Serbia · Post by **Serbia** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 8:25 pm

Unvote
VOTE: Cena

Mandy's logic.

As far as this ExplainThis thing... I really don't see the solid connection between ET and Clive.

gimpyThewonder · Post by **gimpyThewonder** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 8:38 pm

a merry work-slacking vote count for ya

nagerous (1) - SL
clive (1) - AD
cena (5) - mandy, f1fth, diddle, talapus, serbia
f1fth (1) - clive

on a side note does anyone have a problem coming in to replace either russianfire or lalaland?

Sierra_Leon · Post by **Sierra_Leon** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 9:30 pm

I had an interesting idea that I would like some feedback on.

Browng was caught quite easily because of a lousy fake claim. This leads to believe that the mafia have not been supplied with fake claims to use. Now as I said before, I'm not too familiar with Deadwood. I wouldn't be able to say with much certainty which characters are likely to be part of the Hearst mafia or the Gem Saloon mafia. I'm sure some of you can though.

That's why I would like to propose a mass name-claim. Mind you: not a roleclaim! We would all only claim the name of our characters. The only drawback I could think of is that some names might give away the role too, like Doc Cochrane or whatever his name is. I still think it's worth the risk though.

We would have to decide on an order to claim in: scummiest persons claim first. We could vote on that matter, for instance by having everyone give his top-3 list of people he wants to see claim first. It would have to be worked out in detail a bit more, but I think you get the idea.

Could everyone please explicitely state whether they like this idea or not? Please nobody hammer cena before this is resolved, because if we're ever going to do this, now would be a good time.

Sierra_Leon · Post by **Sierra_Leon** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 9:31 pm

PS:

Sierra_Leon wrote:
nagerous wrote:
Sierra_Leon wrote:Oh and one more thing before I forget.
nagerous wrote:sorry can we have 72 hours it would be easier.
Need more time to discuss with your scum buddies?

Vote nagerous.
I realised the scumminess of the sentence after I wrote it lol. Anyway I've said Sierra_Scumone a number of times pushing against me is going up the wrong avenue. There was a reason behind me wanting extra time that I would rather not divulge into as it is sensitive to the game dynamic. Both diddle and mandy know it... I think (if you don't don't worry) but I can trust you guys .
Alright, I have a fair amount of trust in diddle and mandy in this game, so if they can confirm this I'll get off your back.

Could diddle and mandy respond to this too, please?