Canadian Federal election. 2011

[keiths31]

That made me laugh...silly right wingers.

[BigBallinStalin]

tl;dr Get paid to troll left-wing Liberals.

[Baron Von PWN]

Is Canada going to reward contempt for our democratic institutions? I certainly hope not.

http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/Gardn ... story.html

Fellow Canadians this is a government that has deliberately misled parliament and lied about the constitution. A government with contempt for Canadians representatives is one that does not deserve to govern.

[Timminz]

Is Canada going to reward contempt for our democratic institutions? I certainly hope not.

http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/Gardn ... story.html

Fellow Canadians this is a government that has deliberately misled parliament and lied about the constitution. A government with contempt for Canadians representatives is one that does not deserve to govern.

And this is not a new phenomenon. As this piece (http://thechronicleherald.ca/Opinion/1236315.html) mentions, they've been disregarding what Canadians want, for years.

Two years ago, the government was proposing a fishery treaty with the European Union — one drafted by the EU itself and that opened the door to the EU, the main predator of stocks off Newfoundland, possibly having a say in how fish are managed inside Canada’s 200-mile limit. Canada’s veterans of international fishery negotiations, going back to the 200-mile-limit and the UN Law of the Sea, raised the alarm, calling it a sellout.

The Senate and Commons fisheries committees both agreed and called for revisions. The government pressed on. Then, on Dec. 10, 2009, the House of Commons rejected the treaty, 147 to 142.

Then — note this — the very next day the government signed the treaty anyway.

[Baron Von PWN]

Is Canada going to reward contempt for our democratic institutions? I certainly hope not.

http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/Gardn ... story.html

Fellow Canadians this is a government that has deliberately misled parliament and lied about the constitution. A government with contempt for Canadians representatives is one that does not deserve to govern.

And this is not a new phenomenon. As this piece (http://thechronicleherald.ca/Opinion/1236315.html) mentions, they've been disregarding what Canadians want, for years.

Two years ago, the government was proposing a fishery treaty with the European Union — one drafted by the EU itself and that opened the door to the EU, the main predator of stocks off Newfoundland, possibly having a say in how fish are managed inside Canada’s 200-mile limit. Canada’s veterans of international fishery negotiations, going back to the 200-mile-limit and the UN Law of the Sea, raised the alarm, calling it a sellout.

The Senate and Commons fisheries committees both agreed and called for revisions. The government pressed on. Then, on Dec. 10, 2009, the House of Commons rejected the treaty, 147 to 142.

Then — note this — the very next day the government signed the treaty anyway.

I've never even heard about that one, wow the conservatives are worse than I thought!

[Baron Von PWN]

A look at Harper's record of falsehood. http://www.flipflopharper.com/

[keiths31]

Not a Harper fan, eh?

[Baron Von PWN]

Not a Harper fan, eh?

Considering his disrespect for parliament. I don't see why i should be.

[notyou2]

Not a Harper fan, eh?

Considering his disrespect for parliament. I don't see why i should be.

I agree with Baron. I am in favour of several of the conservative planks in their platform, especially fiscal issues, but their style of government borders on disdain for our demoratic process and disdain for the Canadian people. I do not trust Harper and hope they do not get a majority. He scares me what he will do with a majority. He talks out of both sides of his mouth all the time. He speaks of transparency and responsible government, yet he tries to block/silence/kill all criticism. He is a sneak, and dishonest in my opinion, as well as a suck up to US politics.

[Baron Von PWN]

Within 100 days of a majority the Cons plan on sending more Canadians to jail!

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/pol ... le1975719/

[keiths31]

Within 100 days of a majority the Cons plan on sending more Canadians to jail!

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/pol ... le1975719/

So sending criminals to jail is a bad thing?

[Baron Von PWN]

Within 100 days of a majority the Cons plan on sending more Canadians to jail!

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/pol ... le1975719/

So sending criminals to jail is a bad thing?

No not at all. However; Creating mandatory minimums, reducing incentives for inmates to behave and reform, perpetrating the war on drugs and allowing Canadian citizens to killed by foreign governments are bad things though.

Mandatory minimums and the reduction of incentives for inmates will serve only to inflate our prison costs and will do nothing to reduce crime rates. The experience of the US on that front should be enough to tell us those are policy dead ends. Ramping up the war on drugs is another policy seemingly designed only to increase deficits and spending on prisons. Why waste all this money fighting pot dealers and creating a hardened criminal elite when we could just end the whole need for it with legalization? Finally it is a betrayal of our citizens to be complicit in their execution, when we ourselves don't support such policies. Though perhaps with a majority Harper will start killing Canadian citizens as well.

[keiths31]

No not at all. However; Creating mandatory minimums, reducing incentives for inmates to behave and reform, perpetrating the war on drugs and allowing Canadian citizens to killed by foreign governments are bad things though.

Mandatory minimums and the reduction of incentives for inmates will serve only to inflate our prison costs and will do nothing to reduce crime rates. The experience of the US on that front should be enough to tell us those are policy dead ends. Ramping up the war on drugs is another policy seemingly designed only to increase deficits and spending on prisons. Why waste all this money fighting pot dealers and creating a hardened criminal elite when we could just end the whole need for it with legalization? Finally it is a betrayal of our citizens to be complicit in their execution, when we ourselves don't support such policies. Though perhaps with a majority Harper will start killing Canadian citizens as well.

Please...arguments like that make me laugh when people talk about a Harper majority. Canada will never have a death penalty. As for Canadians breaking the law in other countries...don't break the law and you won't have to worry about the death penalty. Canada shouldn't have to bail out lawbreakers just because they are Canadian. Legalizing a drug is not the way to combat the crime either.

[notyou2]

No not at all. However; Creating mandatory minimums, reducing incentives for inmates to behave and reform, perpetrating the war on drugs and allowing Canadian citizens to killed by foreign governments are bad things though.

Mandatory minimums and the reduction of incentives for inmates will serve only to inflate our prison costs and will do nothing to reduce crime rates. The experience of the US on that front should be enough to tell us those are policy dead ends. Ramping up the war on drugs is another policy seemingly designed only to increase deficits and spending on prisons. Why waste all this money fighting pot dealers and creating a hardened criminal elite when we could just end the whole need for it with legalization? Finally it is a betrayal of our citizens to be complicit in their execution, when we ourselves don't support such policies. Though perhaps with a majority Harper will start killing Canadian citizens as well.

Please...arguments like that make me laugh when people talk about a Harper majority. Canada will never have a death penalty. As for Canadians breaking the law in other countries...don't break the law and you won't have to worry about the death penalty. Canada shouldn't have to bail out lawbreakers just because they are Canadian. Legalizing a drug is not the way to combat the crime either.

Why would we "combat the crime" if it was decriminalized or legalized? I think BvP is right and it is a terrible waste of taxpayers money chasing, prosecuting, and incarcerating marijuana offenders. Heroin or cocaine is a different matter.

[Baron Von PWN]

No not at all. However; Creating mandatory minimums, reducing incentives for inmates to behave and reform, perpetrating the war on drugs and allowing Canadian citizens to killed by foreign governments are bad things though.

Mandatory minimums and the reduction of incentives for inmates will serve only to inflate our prison costs and will do nothing to reduce crime rates. The experience of the US on that front should be enough to tell us those are policy dead ends. Ramping up the war on drugs is another policy seemingly designed only to increase deficits and spending on prisons. Why waste all this money fighting pot dealers and creating a hardened criminal elite when we could just end the whole need for it with legalization? Finally it is a betrayal of our citizens to be complicit in their execution, when we ourselves don't support such policies. Though perhaps with a majority Harper will start killing Canadian citizens as well.

Please...arguments like that make me laugh when people talk about a Harper majority. Canada will never have a death penalty. .

Why? Harper has called for the death Penalty in the past and is on an tough on crime binge, against largely imagined crime. Why would he stop at simply jailing people longer, when he's clearly in favor of the harshest measures?

[keiths31]

Why? Harper has called for the death Penalty in the past and is on an tough on crime binge, against largely imagined crime. Why would he stop at simply jailing people longer, when he's clearly in favor of the harshest measures?

There have been calls for the death penalty by many over the years...but it will never become law. Rest easy. And what "imagined crime" are you speaking of?

Why would we "combat the crime" if it was decriminalized or legalized? I think BvP is right and it is a terrible waste of taxpayers money chasing, prosecuting, and incarcerating marijuana offenders. Heroin or cocaine is a different matter.

Also in regard to legalizing marijuana, I don't think it will lessen the crime. I think the pot dealers will start selling other drugs or doing other things to make their money illegally. I think any one selling drugs to a minor deserves to be in jail. You have your opinion...I have mine. That is all.

[Baron Von PWN]

Why? Harper has called for the death Penalty in the past and is on an tough on crime binge, against largely imagined crime. Why would he stop at simply jailing people longer, when he's clearly in favor of the harshest measures?

There have been calls for the death penalty by many over the years...but it will never become law. Rest easy. And what "imagined crime" are you speaking of?

Why would we "combat the crime" if it was decriminalized or legalized? I think BvP is right and it is a terrible waste of taxpayers money chasing, prosecuting, and incarcerating marijuana offenders. Heroin or cocaine is a different matter.

Also in regard to legalizing marijuana, I don't think it will lessen the crime. I think the pot dealers will start selling other drugs or doing other things to make their money illegally. I think any one selling drugs to a minor deserves to be in jail. You have your opinion...I have mine. That is all.

When the conservatives introduced their laws to introduce mandatory minimums, when asked why such a policy was necessary considering our historically low crime rates they cited a worrying rise on "unreported crime" or in other words crime so minor, people don't bother reporting it, or much more worrying a reflection that people don't trust the police to deal with the crime.

If it is A: Crime so minor people don't bother reporting it. Why does this necessitate longer jail sentences and more Jails? how will this fix the problem?
or B: people no long trust the police to solve their crimes. How does this restore their trust in the police? How will this fix the problem?
I personally think it is C: they favor a criminal system based on punishment, rather than crime reduction.

[Timminz]

Why? Harper has called for the death Penalty in the past and is on an tough on crime binge, against largely imagined crime. Why would he stop at simply jailing people longer, when he's clearly in favor of the harshest measures?

There have been calls for the death penalty by many over the years...but it will never become law. Rest easy. And what "imagined crime" are you speaking of?

Why would we "combat the crime" if it was decriminalized or legalized? I think BvP is right and it is a terrible waste of taxpayers money chasing, prosecuting, and incarcerating marijuana offenders. Heroin or cocaine is a different matter.

Also in regard to legalizing marijuana, I don't think it will lessen the crime. I think the pot dealers will start selling other drugs or doing other things to make their money illegally. I think any one selling drugs to a minor deserves to be in jail. You have your opinion...I have mine. That is all.

Bolded part is mostly false. Most pot dealers would either enter the legal pot market, or be put out of business by it. Very few would move away from pot, and into harder drugs. The ones who did, would likely be the ones who already sell the other stuff.

The large font is something I agree entirely with, but it doesn't make any kind of argument against legalization, unless you're arguing to criminalize alcohol, and tobacco as well.

[Baron Von PWN]

Ignatieff attacks the conservative platform, which promises to cut 11 billion from the federal budget but is short on details.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canadav ... aders.html

Said platform

http://www.conservative.ca/media/Conser ... 11_ENs.pdf

[Baron Von PWN]

Big Brother Harper wants to know what you're doing online.

http://www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/5733/125/

Essentially the conservatives want to give police the power to see your internet activity whenever they want to see it. No court orders nothing. Oh and they promise to introduce this serious piece of legislation bundled in with all their other crime bills within 100 days of taking office. Meaning this issue will be unlikely to see the attention it deserves, or adequate debate. This is unsurprising though from a party that's contemptuous of our democracy.

[BigBallinStalin]

Big Brother Harper wants to know what you're doing online.

http://www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/5733/125/

Essentially the conservatives want to give police the power to see your internet activity whenever they want to see it. No court orders nothing. Oh and they promise to introduce this serious piece of legislation bundled in with all their other crime bills within 100 days of taking office. Meaning this issue will be unlikely to see the attention it deserves, or adequate debate. This is unsurprising though from a party that's contemptuous of our democracy.

You should send him a link to this new discovery coming out:
http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2 ... g_a_c.html

[Baron Von PWN]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qItqs4HO ... ata_player

[saxitoxin]

EDITED - WRONG THREAD

[Baron Von PWN]

Big Brother Harper wants to know what you're doing online.

Big Sister Clinton wants to know what Harper is doing online.

newly released - http://wikileaks.ch/cable/2009/05/09STATE52774.html

THIS IS NOT ABOUT CANADA'S ELECTION!

reported to the valued mods

[saxitoxin]

Big Brother Harper wants to know what you're doing online.

Big Sister Clinton wants to know what Harper is doing online.

newly released - http://wikileaks.ch/cable/2009/05/09STATE52774.html

THIS IS NOT ABOUT CANADA'S ELECTION!

reported to the valued mods

LOL - wrong thread! ACK! Edited ...