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hotfire wrote:i hope he is just saying have a gun or baseball bat next to u while u sit and do whatever u do while ur kids watch sesame street in case someone busts open ur front door
I am not near the manhunt, but have family and friends right there.
(I grew up in Watertown.)
If I were in my house anywhere near there I would certainly wish I had a gun... just in case.
The guy could be hiding in someone's garage or in some wooded area. It's not unreasonable to think he could/will break into a home and try to take a hostage. You are certainly better off in that situation if you have a gun AND know how to use it.
Pretty good guess work there it turns out. So, let's take a look at the person who went out to look for him in the boat. I find it hard to believe, with the area on lockdown upon finding a trail of blood leading into their boat, the person went to investigate the boat he was hiding was unarmed.
I'll bet that person had a gun, and that took a lot of courage to go out there like that....imagine the fear!
Ray Rider wrote:If lived in Boston, I think I would hit the streets and have a blast driving the empty roads. Seriously, how often do you see this?
It would be different if these guys were shooters sniping innocents along the streets or if the police were warning of additional bombs planted in various locations around the city. But shutting down life for 4+ million people just because there's a suspect or two on the run seems to be giving the criminals exactly the attention they crave.
Secondly, what kind of idiot criminals would remain in the city where they planted the bombs? You'd think any criminal in their shoes and possessing half a brain would've fled the state, if not the country, by now.
I know, right? I wonder what was the economic cost of declaring (essentially) martial law... because that should be factored into the costs of that terrorist act.
Spend a few hundred, build a couple bombs (small expense).
Kill 3 people and injure about 150, have a major US city shut down for 4 days or so (large cost).
In strictly monetary terms, terrorism is more cost-effective than conventional warfare/US counterinsurgency ops.
Um... only Watertown and parts of Boston and Cambridge were "shut down"... and it was only for a day... and it was during a school-vacation week, so it was really a slow week here anyway.
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hotfire wrote:i hope he is just saying have a gun or baseball bat next to u while u sit and do whatever u do while ur kids watch sesame street in case someone busts open ur front door
I am not near the manhunt, but have family and friends right there.
(I grew up in Watertown.)
If I were in my house anywhere near there I would certainly wish I had a gun... just in case.
The guy could be hiding in someone's garage or in some wooded area. It's not unreasonable to think he could/will break into a home and try to take a hostage. You are certainly better off in that situation if you have a gun AND know how to use it.
Pretty good guess work there it turns out. So, let's take a look at the person who went out to look for him in the boat. I find it hard to believe, with the area on lockdown upon finding a trail of blood leading into their boat, the person went to investigate the boat he was hiding was unarmed.
I'll bet that person had a gun, and that took a lot of courage to go out there like that....imagine the fear!
He saw the boat from a distance... he was going to investigate more closely, and then thought better of it.
I don't know if he had a gun or not... but I do know he never approached the boat.
I don't know what "we" (i.e. Boston) did that was so "strong" here.
Don't get me wrong... after the bombing a lot of people stepped up and helped others, and that's great. And I am very glad we got the guys, and hope the arrest leads to more info to nab anyone that helped them.
... but what did your average "Bostonian" or "Masshole" do that was so "strong"?
I don't know what "we" (i.e. Boston) did that was so "strong" here.
Don't get me wrong... after the bombing a lot of people stepped up and helped others, and that's great. And I am very glad we got the guys, and hope the arrest leads to more info to nab anyone that helped them.
... but what did your average "Bostonian" or "Masshole" do that was so "strong"?
are you alluding to the over-celebration, and the USA USA chants with #1 fingers in the air?
I don't know what "we" (i.e. Boston) did that was so "strong" here.
Don't get me wrong... after the bombing a lot of people stepped up and helped others, and that's great. And I am very glad we got the guys, and hope the arrest leads to more info to nab anyone that helped them.
... but what did your average "Bostonian" or "Masshole" do that was so "strong"?
are you alluding to the over-celebration, and the USA USA chants with #1 fingers in the air?
I'm not alluding to anything.
I'm clearly stating that most of it is BS.
I understand being happy they got the guy.
I have family right there in Watertown... a brother and a sister, and I have an In-Law who lives not 2-3 blocks from where that boat is. I have friends on the Watertown and Boston PD... people I went to school with and have hung out with. So i am certainly relieved!
... but the over-celebration is BS, and the whole "BostonStrong" mentality is BS.
Yeah, I know what you mean, and I know it's hard to talk about, but politicians of course are going to exploit it and gain as much power as they can from any crisis, but I think the true heroes are the first responders and the citizens on the streets who helped. Of course all of local law enforcement and others put their lives on the lines everyday for our safety too. But the biggest problem I have, and may be unpopular, is Obama saying "the terrorists have failed". How did the terrorists fail? They carried out their attacks to the best of their ability, and then turned towns upside down for a few days and created fear and panic all across the country.
I don't know if they had other plans, but the only way the might have failed was in framing whatever group they possibly might have been trying to set-up.
Ray Rider wrote:If lived in Boston, I think I would hit the streets and have a blast driving the empty roads. Seriously, how often do you see this?
It would be different if these guys were shooters sniping innocents along the streets or if the police were warning of additional bombs planted in various locations around the city. But shutting down life for 4+ million people just because there's a suspect or two on the run seems to be giving the criminals exactly the attention they crave.
Secondly, what kind of idiot criminals would remain in the city where they planted the bombs? You'd think any criminal in their shoes and possessing half a brain would've fled the state, if not the country, by now.
I know, right? I wonder what was the economic cost of declaring (essentially) martial law... because that should be factored into the costs of that terrorist act.
Spend a few hundred, build a couple bombs (small expense).
Kill 3 people and injure about 150, have a major US city shut down for 4 days or so (large cost).
In strictly monetary terms, terrorism is more cost-effective than conventional warfare/US counterinsurgency ops.
Always has been. One of the reasons why the U.S. is such a popular terrorist target, along with other over-reacting countries like Germany, is that terrorists can get such a big bang for their buck there. In contrast, part of the reason that Chechen terrorists in Russia and the Basques in France have gotten so little traction is that those countries have much more proportionate responses to attacks.
“Life is a shipwreck, but we must not forget to sing in the lifeboats.”
― Voltaire
Ray Rider wrote:If lived in Boston, I think I would hit the streets and have a blast driving the empty roads. Seriously, how often do you see this?
It would be different if these guys were shooters sniping innocents along the streets or if the police were warning of additional bombs planted in various locations around the city. But shutting down life for 4+ million people just because there's a suspect or two on the run seems to be giving the criminals exactly the attention they crave.
Secondly, what kind of idiot criminals would remain in the city where they planted the bombs? You'd think any criminal in their shoes and possessing half a brain would've fled the state, if not the country, by now.
I know, right? I wonder what was the economic cost of declaring (essentially) martial law... because that should be factored into the costs of that terrorist act.
Spend a few hundred, build a couple bombs (small expense).
Kill 3 people and injure about 150, have a major US city shut down for 4 days or so (large cost).
In strictly monetary terms, terrorism is more cost-effective than conventional warfare/US counterinsurgency ops.
Always has been. One of the reasons why the U.S. is such a popular terrorist target, along with other over-reacting countries like Germany, is that terrorists can get such a big bang for their buck there. In contrast, part of the reason that Chechen terrorists in Russia and the Basques in France have gotten so little traction is that those countries have much more proportionate responses to attacks.
Would I be correct in rephrasing the summary of your statement as "they have balls, and we do not"?
Ray Rider wrote:If lived in Boston, I think I would hit the streets and have a blast driving the empty roads. Seriously, how often do you see this?
It would be different if these guys were shooters sniping innocents along the streets or if the police were warning of additional bombs planted in various locations around the city. But shutting down life for 4+ million people just because there's a suspect or two on the run seems to be giving the criminals exactly the attention they crave.
Secondly, what kind of idiot criminals would remain in the city where they planted the bombs? You'd think any criminal in their shoes and possessing half a brain would've fled the state, if not the country, by now.
I know, right? I wonder what was the economic cost of declaring (essentially) martial law... because that should be factored into the costs of that terrorist act.
Spend a few hundred, build a couple bombs (small expense).
Kill 3 people and injure about 150, have a major US city shut down for 4 days or so (large cost).
In strictly monetary terms, terrorism is more cost-effective than conventional warfare/US counterinsurgency ops.
Um... only Watertown and parts of Boston and Cambridge were "shut down"... and it was only for a day... and it was during a school-vacation week, so it was really a slow week here anyway.
In the aftermath of the Boston Marathon bombings on Monday, Jeff Bauman’s image was seared into the American consciousness. An extremely graphic photo of Bauman being escorted in a wheelchair with most of his legs blown off quickly went viral. Bauman’s stock rose even further after reports surfaced that he had looked into the eyes of one of the bombing suspects minutes before the explosion, and that the moment he awoke from emergency care, he gave law enforcement critical information that substantially narrowed their field of suspects. But while police continue to scour the streets for at-large suspect Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, the 27-year-old Bauman is scouring the internet for donations to help pay for his outsized medical bills.
Bauman’s friends created the page “Bucks For Bauman!” on the gofundme.com crowdfunding service. The money raised through donations to the site are meant to help Jeff and his family pay the exorbitant costs of his surgeries, ongoing medical care, and physical therapy. Since Tuesday, when the site was launched, Americans from across the country have poured in $158,294 in donations — over half of the overall $300,000 goal.
Bauman has been fortunate enough to receive an impressive number of donations to help him pay his bills, and his uncle plans to buy him his first pair of prosthetic legs. But many other victims in the Boston bombings may not be as fortunate. The cost of treating the bombing survivors’ injuries is expected to exceed $9 million. The out-of-pocket costs associated with that treatment could bury many of the victims financially, even if they do have insurance — unless hospitals, insurers, and charitable foundations swoop in to help, as they did after the mass shooting in Aurora, Colorado.
In the aftermath of the Boston Marathon bombings on Monday, Jeff Bauman’s image was seared into the American consciousness. An extremely graphic photo of Bauman being escorted in a wheelchair with most of his legs blown off quickly went viral. Bauman’s stock rose even further after reports surfaced that he had looked into the eyes of one of the bombing suspects minutes before the explosion, and that the moment he awoke from emergency care, he gave law enforcement critical information that substantially narrowed their field of suspects. But while police continue to scour the streets for at-large suspect Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, the 27-year-old Bauman is scouring the internet for donations to help pay for his outsized medical bills.
Bauman’s friends created the page “Bucks For Bauman!” on the gofundme.com crowdfunding service. The money raised through donations to the site are meant to help Jeff and his family pay the exorbitant costs of his surgeries, ongoing medical care, and physical therapy. Since Tuesday, when the site was launched, Americans from across the country have poured in $158,294 in donations — over half of the overall $300,000 goal.
Bauman has been fortunate enough to receive an impressive number of donations to help him pay his bills, and his uncle plans to buy him his first pair of prosthetic legs. But many other victims in the Boston bombings may not be as fortunate. The cost of treating the bombing survivors’ injuries is expected to exceed $9 million. The out-of-pocket costs associated with that treatment could bury many of the victims financially, even if they do have insurance — unless hospitals, insurers, and charitable foundations swoop in to help, as they did after the mass shooting in Aurora, Colorado.
Obviously Bauman is lying or this is a scam. Obamacare is now in place and, even if it wasn't, Massachusetts has had Romneycare - on which Obamacare is modeled - for awhile.
In keeping with my previous pledge not to criticize Obama until May if Hagel was approved, I hereby denounce Bauman as a sniveling Tea Partier or Naderite who is simply trying to embarass Obama.
Pack Rat wrote:if it quacks like a duck and walk like a duck, it's still fascism
I don't know how terrorism is defined in the U.S. Code, but if the suspect committed all the crimes in Massachusetts, built the bombs in Massachusetts, sourced the parts in Massachusetts, didn't attack a federal facility, didn't consult with others outside Massachusetts and was already living in Massachusetts for other reasons, how exactly could they try this in federal court instead of in the Commonwealth?
Pack Rat wrote:if it quacks like a duck and walk like a duck, it's still fascism
