Marijuana...

[Grooveman2007]

Legalize it all, tax it a fuckload. It would reduce gang violence, put cartells out of business, clean out our prisons, save money, make money, create jobs, and do a whole bunch of other shit I'm too lazy to think of. Oh, but users wouldn't be allowed any government aid should their health turn south.

[Snorri1234]

Legalize it all, tax it a fuckload. It would reduce gang violence, put cartells out of business, clean out our prisons, save money, make money, create jobs, and do a whole bunch of other shit I'm too lazy to think of. Oh, but users wouldn't be allowed any government aid should their health turn south.

Word. I also think people who are obese, smoke, drink or drive cars should not get any aid either if they happen to suddenly need it.

Edit: Actually, why stop there? How about people who don't have healthy diets, or never excersise, or live in the city? Shit, why not deny aid for children of parents with a heriditary disease? People who engage in any way with traffic?

[PLAYER57832]

PLAYER, You missed quoted that excerpt, as I was not the one stating that. Jenos was.

My deepest apologies, I have corrected it.

[PLAYER57832]

Legalize it all, tax it a fuckload. It would reduce gang violence, put cartells out of business, clean out our prisons, save money, make money, create jobs, and do a whole bunch of other shit I'm too lazy to think of. Oh, but users wouldn't be allowed any government aid should their health turn south.

Word. I also think people who are obese, smoke, drink or drive cars should not get any aid either if they happen to suddenly need it.

I don't like drugs, but I agee with this ... as long as children are not exposed. (and I mean exposed/harmed by it, not just unable to use directly)

[Snorri1234]

Legalize it all, tax it a fuckload. It would reduce gang violence, put cartells out of business, clean out our prisons, save money, make money, create jobs, and do a whole bunch of other shit I'm too lazy to think of. .

Seriously though, the whole thing about drug-users committing crimes is that the drugs are far too expensive to get by any other means. Crime pays, it brings in the required amount of several hundred dollars needed to pay for a heroine-addiction or cocaine.

If you tax drugs after legalising you really aren't helping. You need to make it decently affordable so that users can earn money in a normal way. And then criminals will really have no way of earning from it anymore because otherwise they might flood the market with crappy shit like they do now.


Also funny is that drugs are not nearly as bad as people think they are. The reasons addicts are in bad health is due to them not being able to afford much luxury or even basic neccesities and that the drugs on the market are tainted by other stuff to make them cheaper. Pure heroine is really not in the slightest bit harmfull for you.

[DaGip]

Legalize it all, tax it a fuckload. It would reduce gang violence, put cartells out of business, clean out our prisons, save money, make money, create jobs, and do a whole bunch of other shit I'm too lazy to think of. Oh, but users wouldn't be allowed any government aid should their health turn south.

Word. I also think people who are obese, smoke, drink or drive cars should not get any aid either if they happen to suddenly need it.

Edit: Actually, why stop there? How about people who don't have healthy diets, or never excersise, or live in the city? Shit, why not deny aid for children of parents with a heriditary disease? People who engage in any way with traffic?

Hey! That sounds like the DaGip of old! (but I am trying my best to not be so obese) I, however, do not smoke, drink, or take drugs anymore, marijuana included. If marijuana was legal, i wouldn't spark up again, unless it was for pain relief.

Here is another video (a bit of an extension of the previous video I posted):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vT1h1rO_V28

[Snorri1234]

Legalize it all, tax it a fuckload. It would reduce gang violence, put cartells out of business, clean out our prisons, save money, make money, create jobs, and do a whole bunch of other shit I'm too lazy to think of. Oh, but users wouldn't be allowed any government aid should their health turn south.

Word. I also think people who are obese, smoke, drink or drive cars should not get any aid either if they happen to suddenly need it.

Edit: Actually, why stop there? How about people who don't have healthy diets, or never excersise, or live in the city? Shit, why not deny aid for children of parents with a heriditary disease? People who engage in any way with traffic?

Hey! That sounds like the DaGip of old! (but I am trying my best to not be so obese) I, however, do not smoke, drink, or take drugs anymore, marijuana included. If marijuana was legal, i wouldn't spark up again, unless it was for pain relief.

Here is another video (a bit of an extension of the previous video I posted):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vT1h1rO_V28

Nah, I rarely smoke weed myself anymore. It just lost it's appeal when I got out of highschool.

Possibly it was just the other people there not smoking it anymore.

[DaGip]

Go, Barney! GO!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxMRq6WTIO0

[MaleAlphaThree]

Everything in moderation. If I smoked up more than once a month, I'd feel like a pothead. It's nice to just let go of stress and reality for a little while, but alcohol does that too but in a more dangerous way. Legalizing pot would be good for the economy... another product to sell, instead of it being underground and untrustworthy most of the time. Just imagine brand name pot!!

[UCAbears]

Looks like we have some a lot of druggies on here. It's a shame.

[chaosfactor]

4 Years ago I met a farmer in Morocco who sold me 150 grammes of his harvest.

A part of the purchase order was the demand that the merchandise be broken up into 5 grammed bullets.

Another was that the 30 OVAL shaped farm produced items, be wrapped in several layers of cling-film and Beeswax. (Obviously for transportation issue's).

After I swallowed the 30 Nuggets(a lengthly gagging process involving a lot of water>?>?>)

Via the port of Tangiers-Gibraltar-London-Brixton I journeyed home

I sat on my toilet awaiting my golden eggs....

I waited,,, I waited and I waited.

Two days passed,,,, and I had past nothing,,, Lacking the money for food as my monetary investment had been already spent, I agreed to a Job working with Bo Diddley.

Half way through the concert I had to run to the WC and I spent 10minutes shitting out Cling-film, Clingfilm, Clingfilm, and nothing else at all.
I made it back to the audience to see the last 30 minutes of Bo Diddely squat stoned out of my fuckin goard on 150 grammes of Morrocan finest.

My question to you,, as it has been to many others,, Should I not have over-dosed??

A keen Anarchist he was, a proper smoker.
Chaosfactor is a bloody toker

Dope gets you through times of no premium
better than premium gets you through
times of no dope...

[DaGip]

Looks like we have some a lot of druggies on here. It's a shame.

Well, if you drink alcohol or smoke tobacco, technically you are a druggie. Even if you are on pharmaceuticals, you could be labeled as a druggie.

Addiction is an issue in a lot of people's lives, and I am sure ConquerClub is no exception.

But to have a law that forbids growing a plant in your backyard is ludicrous. As in the last video I posted, there are people that would be helped or even cured of their predicaments if they were allowed to grow and smoke marijuana.

I don't smoke it anymore, but if my health would benefit from its use...I wouldn't have any problems with using it, even though it would technically make me a criminal.

There are so many worse things in the world and our country than smoking weed. Weed smokers are the least of our worries...

[Snorri1234]

Looks like we have some a lot of druggies on here. It's a shame.

IT'S NOT A FUCKING SHAME! IT'S OUR GOD OR WHATEVER ENTITITY GIVEN FUCKING RIGHT!


Or something along those lines. Bottom line still is about whether the gov has any right to tell us what to do with our bodies especially when it concerns harmless drugs.

[DaGip]

...IT'S OUR GOD OR WHATEVER ENTITITY GIVEN FUCKING RIGHT!

I much prefer this as my All Supreme Being of choice:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q631uZ6DQzg

[chaosfactor]

DaGip

In Auz, around the Melbourne area, it is tolerated that you can grow one plant per person.

In Brixton where I live the Police laugh at people with less than 28grammes

28 grammes is considered personal

We in Brixton, de-regulated the class of Dope from a B grade listed drug, to a C.

Because ??

Because, our Police have bigger problems to deal with other than a bunch of,
Pot Smokin Criminals!

[DaGip]

Here is an ex cop that tries to teach people how NOT to get caught:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fni1t7lpmOU

[Jeff Hardy]

yes it should...
it does less harm than a lot of legal drugs...

[Jimus Dominus]

I'm sure much like many other people, I had my time with it. but like was said earlier ... by DaGip

DaGip wrote:
What do you think? Should it or shouldn't it. Is anyone familiar with the reasons why Marijuana is illegal? The real reasons?
Absolutely, though I can't watch the video right now.

Basically, it is two issues ... they competed with the timber industry when the process for putting pulp into paper was developed and it competed against the oil industry. Add to that the fact that it didn't have the historical European use that alchohol did and even though it was far, far, far less harmful (note the "was", though) than alchohol ... and blammo!

Gotta get rid of that stuff those "strange people" use!

Now, it has changed completely, however. Although the reefer madness stuff was all hype and garbage, there is real harm to it now.

What used to be a quite moderate substance has been bred to have much, much higher THC levels. It has far worse lung affects than tobacco and has other side effects such as significantly reducing male virility. It also can make some people ... well, lazy is probably the closest description, though that's not quite right. It saps initiative for some reason.

(and note ... these are not the old, biased findings. These are newer findings from a variety of sources).

Anyway, hemp, the "non drug" version has many, many uses ... from very strong cloth, to rope to fuel to paper pulp that is far more efficient to grow than trees, to even food.

The cost of enforcing it as an illegal drug is astronomical, has increased both the cost and the encouraged growing stronger and stronger stuff. It also has turned it from a "friendly backyard enterprise" to a gang money maker.

Enough? There are plenty of web sites out there. Just be careful to keep the reality from the fiction ... on BOTH sides.

Personally, I see no question. Legalize it, tax it and control it to a moderate extent (no kid sales, etc.)

I'm not sure about other more "hardcore" drugs (cocaine, heroine etc....) but have you ever heard of someone smokin' dope and lookin for a fight ??? We all know, you get high (weed) and about the only thing you're lookin for is a video game and somethin to eat - aka munchies.....

[guylian]

i will let you guess what i voted

[DaGip]

i will let you guess what i voted

For Bush?

[DaGip]

This is why I really don't want to vote for McCain...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1TAUrtBA18

[DaGip]

Some more for you guys to think about:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=octW-Hi3YP8

[PLAYER57832]

Looks like we have some a lot of druggies on here. It's a shame.

Except that historically, the reason Marihuana was made illegal had very little to do with any crimes or harm coming from its use.
It was made illegal because it competed with use of timber pulp for paper, to a lesser extent its potential for fuel, along with the fact that those generally using it were not "middle class anglo-saxon whites".

In fact, for many, many years the toxicant was minimal. It was only when Reagan's anti drug campaign began that the prices increased enough to make intensive illegal culture worthwhile. THEN we DID start seeing gang, mob and other nefarious involvement. We also started seeing Vietnham style boobie traps on federal lands (National Forest Service & Bureau of Land Management lands, etc.), as folks tried to avoid the property seizure laws.

Contrast that with the harm from still perfectly legal alchohol. Don't get me wrong, I do enjoy a drink on occasion. BUT, you have to be responsible ... or it can cause harm. Too many folks minimize the harm from alchohol and exaggerate the harm from Marihuana. That is not being a "druggie", that is seeing reality.

[b.k. barunt]

Looks like we have some a lot of druggies on here. It's a shame.

"Some a lot of" . . . maybe you could use some pot to clear up the cobwebs from all the beer or whatever.
Heh heh, and here we have an individual who was busted twice trying to jack up his score with multis pompously (though somewhat inarticulate) speaking of "shame" - priceless. He also comes from a long line of alcoholic Arkansas trailer trash. Could we ask for a more telling example of the hypocrisy that keeps pot illegal?

The main contributor to the anti-pot campaign is still (after 30 years) Anheuser Busch. A study of domestic violence, traffic fatalities, and white trash inbreeding will find that alcohol far outweighs marijuana as a blight on our society. It's sad that a lot of people have their lives messed up with fines, prison sentences and lack of job opportunities just so Budwieser can sell more beer. Go figure.


Honibaz


Honibaz (oops . . . one too many puffs)

[PLAYER57832]

The main contributor to the anti-pot campaign is still (after 30 years) Anheuser Busch. A study of domestic violence, traffic fatalities, and white trash inbreeding will find that alcohol far outweighs marijuana as a blight on our society. It's sad that a lot of people have their lives messed up with fines, prison sentences and lack of job opportunities just so Budwieser can sell more beer. Go figure.

I once attended an alternative energy festival that featured, among other things, positive uses for hemp (not even true marihuana). There were some protestors. I looked, expecting to see church folks. Instead, I saw employees of a big timber mill. PAID employees, I might add!

The churches were actually participating, encouraging members to find out about the various alternative energy issues.


P.S. Maurihuana has been illegal for more than 30 years... it was just intensified when Reagan came into office.