The Limbaugh Problem

[InkL0sed]

As a political ideology, communism is usually considered to be a branch of socialism; a broad group of economic and political philosophies that draw on the various political and intellectual movements with origins in the work of theorists of the Industrial Revolution and the French Revolution.

A square is not the same as a rectangle.

[jonesthecurl]

Surprised to see Nappy recommending Hobsbawm. I mean sure he knows his stuff, but his ideology os a little different from Nappy.
Who next, Gwyn Williams?

[Juan_Bottom]

N'est-ce-pas?

OOOOH I USE TEH FOREIGN LANGUAGES TO MAKE ME APPEAR SMARTER!


Ach, hou toch je bek, jij stinkende hoerenzoon. Iedereen kan frans lezen en spreken als ze t ooit geleerd hebben op school.

Joo kyllä.

!COME MIS CORTOS, CHUKO!

[InkL0sed]

Pushi mi kurritz!

[b.k. barunt]

Chupe mi maronga, puta de dulce.


Ole!
Honibaz

[PopeBenXVI]

Yeah. The reason they were just as productive probably had something to do with 5 times the labour cost being input to production.

And I'm sorry, but no, banning all technology to make us all equally miserable isn't a valid answer to unemployment. Neanderthals all had jobs. I'm sure we still don't envy them.

it remains about as valid as your claim that 80 percent of people would suddenly just start developing new capital chains in any type of reasonable, effcient or sustainable way if you were going to go off of medefes claim.

Actually the productivity measure took into account cost. Amish farms run at a cost lower than the mechanized farms, and they don't end up with massive debt loads that cause their dissolution upon the death of the owner. All in all, we could learn a lot from the Amish.

I am guessing your experience in Cali is with more of the large corporate run farms where I could see that being the case. Where I live there is hardly any of that and all smaller family run farms. The Amish around here do ok but I would not say it's any better. Having grown up on a farm with Amish very near, (yes some named yoder) I can say a farmer’s life is hard either way but the industry is critical for national security. Most people don't think about it that way but how would you like to rely on 80% "foreign food" like oil to feed the country. The Amish also have a serious nationwide problem of inbreeding due to having too small of a gene pool.

[Juan_Bottom]

The Amish also have a serious nationwide problem of inbreeding due to having too small of a gene pool.

I don't know if I would call it "serious." Unless you mean, seriously hot.

Dude! when I was working on F & F's Road Crew, I went to Baraboo WI to work at their local Farm and Fleet. I was there for 2 weeks... and they have a big Amish Population, that appearantly loves F & F. And I can tell you brother, in all seriousness, Baraboo is full of super-hot Amish chicks... I don't know why, I think "new recruits" or something like that all end up in Baraboo. Most of the girls looked more like they were California beach bunnies than Amish women. You don't even know... man, I almost converted right there. It was hard to see all those beautiful woman and know that they were completly out of reach. In fact, they always have escorts too, so you couldn't even talk to them. You don't even know...

I am guessing your experience in Cali is with more of the large corporate run farms where I could see that being the case. Where I live there is hardly any of that and all smaller family run farms.

We sorta have that here in Northern Il, but with the help of Jim Sacia, Mega-Daries are battling in court to build all over. They keep losing, but then argueing that the judge was unfair and biased. I don't know how long our hodge-podge of united farmers will be able to afford the fight. They've done well though for the last 2 years. But I have lost a lot of respect for Jim Sacia, and that's the most hurtful of all.


Wait, what are we talking about again?

[PopeBenXVI]

The Amish also have a serious nationwide problem of inbreeding due to having too small of a gene pool.

I don't know if I would call it "serious." Unless you mean, seriously hot.

Dude! when I was working on F & F's Road Crew, I went to Baraboo WI to work at their local Farm and Fleet. I was there for 2 weeks... and they have a big Amish Population, that appearantly loves F & F. And I can tell you brother, in all seriousness, Baraboo is full of super-hot Amish chicks... I don't know why, I think "new recruits" or something like that all end up in Baraboo. Most of the girls looked more like they were California beach bunnies than Amish women. You don't even know... man, I almost converted right there. It was hard to see all those beautiful woman and know that they were completly out of reach. In fact, they always have escorts too, so you couldn't even talk to them. You don't even know...

I am guessing your experience in Cali is with more of the large corporate run farms where I could see that being the case. Where I live there is hardly any of that and all smaller family run farms.

We sorta have that here in Northern Il, but with the help of Jim Sacia, Mega-Daries are battling in court to build all over. They keep losing, but then argueing that the judge was unfair and biased. I don't know how long our hodge-podge of united farmers will be able to afford the fight. They've done well though for the last 2 years. But I have lost a lot of respect for Jim Sacia, and that's the most hurtful of all.


Wait, what are we talking about again?

LOL, they are only hot cause they are out of your reach. Although some leave the lifestyle but then are shunned...go get one!

[MeDeFe]

The Amish also have a serious nationwide problem of inbreeding due to having too small of a gene pool.

I don't know if I would call it "serious." Unless you mean, seriously hot.

Dude! when I was working on F & F's Road Crew, I went to Baraboo WI to work at their local Farm and Fleet. I was there for 2 weeks... and they have a big Amish Population, that appearantly loves F & F. And I can tell you brother, in all seriousness, Baraboo is full of super-hot Amish chicks... I don't know why, I think "new recruits" or something like that all end up in Baraboo. Most of the girls looked more like they were California beach bunnies than Amish women. You don't even know... man, I almost converted right there. It was hard to see all those beautiful woman and know that they were completly out of reach. In fact, they always have escorts too, so you couldn't even talk to them. You don't even know...

I am guessing your experience in Cali is with more of the large corporate run farms where I could see that being the case. Where I live there is hardly any of that and all smaller family run farms.

We sorta have that here in Northern Il, but with the help of Jim Sacia, Mega-Daries are battling in court to build all over. They keep losing, but then argueing that the judge was unfair and biased. I don't know how long our hodge-podge of united farmers will be able to afford the fight. They've done well though for the last 2 years. But I have lost a lot of respect for Jim Sacia, and that's the most hurtful of all.


Wait, what are we talking about again?

LOL, they are only hot cause they are out of your reach. Although some leave the lifestyle but then are shunned...go get one!

I wouldn't shun them, in fact, I would embrace them. To start with...

[PopeBenXVI]

The Amish also have a serious nationwide problem of inbreeding due to having too small of a gene pool.

I don't know if I would call it "serious." Unless you mean, seriously hot.

Dude! when I was working on F & F's Road Crew, I went to Baraboo WI to work at their local Farm and Fleet. I was there for 2 weeks... and they have a big Amish Population, that appearantly loves F & F. And I can tell you brother, in all seriousness, Baraboo is full of super-hot Amish chicks... I don't know why, I think "new recruits" or something like that all end up in Baraboo. Most of the girls looked more like they were California beach bunnies than Amish women. You don't even know... man, I almost converted right there. It was hard to see all those beautiful woman and know that they were completly out of reach. In fact, they always have escorts too, so you couldn't even talk to them. You don't even know...

I am guessing your experience in Cali is with more of the large corporate run farms where I could see that being the case. Where I live there is hardly any of that and all smaller family run farms.

We sorta have that here in Northern Il, but with the help of Jim Sacia, Mega-Daries are battling in court to build all over. They keep losing, but then argueing that the judge was unfair and biased. I don't know how long our hodge-podge of united farmers will be able to afford the fight. They've done well though for the last 2 years. But I have lost a lot of respect for Jim Sacia, and that's the most hurtful of all.


Wait, what are we talking about again?

LOL, they are only hot cause they are out of your reach. Although some leave the lifestyle but then are shunned...go get one!

I wouldn't shun them, in fact, I would embrace them. To start with...

No, they are shunned by the Amish communities and often the family for leaving. I know we would not

[mpjh]

Shunninng, hmmm, a little like excommunication ain't it?

[muy_thaiguy]

Shunninng, hmmm, a little like excommunication ain't it?

Not remotely, no. Closer to the Gulags of the USSR, then excommunication. Excommunication, in short (since that is all you seem to read) is kicking one out of the religion. Shunning, is basically ignoring someone's existence.

[mpjh]

When your religion and life style are deeply intertwined, shunning and excommunication are essentially the same thing. Shunning is probably the original action developed by our ancestors to eliminate dischord in a clan or tribe. Excommunication is a simple application of the primitive pagan action to Catholic practice, another example of the Catholic taking up pagan customs and giving them "christian" content.

I find it amusing how much talk my little side comment on the Amish has caused, just amazing.

[muy_thaiguy]

When your religion and life style are deeply intertwined, shunning and excommunication are essentially the same thing. Shunning is probably the original action developed by our ancestors to eliminate dischord in a clan or tribe. Excommunication is a simple application of the primitive pagan action to Catholic practice, another example of the Catholic taking up pagan customs and giving them "christian" content.

I find it amusing how much talk my little side comment on the Amish has caused, just amazing.

Wow. You seem to tell your opinion, then take it as a hardcore fact in two sentences. Shunning in itself, has little to do with religion and just about everything with lifestyle. After all, it is not like shunning has never been used in numerous other cultures long before they were introduced to Catholicism.

[mpjh]

Ahh, if you had read what I wrote, you would see that is exactly what I said, shunning preceded excommunication all the way back to primitive societies.

[muy_thaiguy]

Ahh, if you had read what I wrote, you would see that is exactly what I said, shunning preceded excommunication all the way back to primitive societies.

Uh, no. You said it was Pagan, and quite distinctly at that.

[mpjh]

Yes, well pagan preceded christian by many, many decades. In a generalized way, christians considered all religions that preceded them as pagan. Besides, catholics are famous for taking pagan celebrations and ritual and incorporating them into their liturgy.

[Nobunaga]

Yes, well pagan preceded christian by many, many decades. In a generalized way, christians considered all religions that preceded them as pagan. Besides, catholics are famous for taking pagan celebrations and ritual and incorporating them into their liturgy.

... The history on this stuff is fascinating. That novel... what was it? Davinci Code, yeah it's fiction, sure, but the author speaks on these historically factual points for story background. The incorporation of Pagan ritual into Christmas is also interesting. Yule log, holly & mistletoe, the tree...

... The kiss under the mistletoe is what remains today of orgies held once by some forgotten people, using mistletoe for its believed powers to assist in the process of procreation.

... This thread has evolved in ways I didn't imagine.

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[pimpdave]

I would love to grab Limbaugh by his fat jowly cheeks and scream in his face: "You're a complete fool and an utter hypocrite!"

Then bid him good day.

[mpjh]

Ah, you need to scream it into his hearing aid. He is basically deaf from listening to his own voice for so many years.

[Nobunaga]

A great article from Neewsweek about the Limbaugh Problem:

http://www.newsweek.com/id/188279/page/1

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[InkL0sed]

A great article from Neewsweek about the Limbaugh Problem:

http://www.newsweek.com/id/188279/page/1

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Yeah, Frum is one conservative I have a lot of respect for. He's on MSNBC fairly often, as a matter of fact.

[Japs]

... 2. Why is Limbaugh being used to push Republicans toward cooperation with the Democrats? (answers my first question, perhaps) The Dems don't need their votes and can pass anything they wish.

Sorry just noticed that but the dems cant pass anything they want... a two thirds majority is needed on alot of things.

[PopeBenXVI]

Yes, well pagan preceded christian by many, many decades. In a generalized way, christians considered all religions that preceded them as pagan. Besides, catholics are famous for taking pagan celebrations and ritual and incorporating them into their liturgy.

Not all, They never thought Jews were pagan.

Shunning and excommunication are very different. Shunning can sometimes have religious meaning but often is only cultural. Excommunication is always religious. To try and put it in it's simplest terms as it can get more complicated than this...... Excommunication is only the Churches public affirmation of one being separated from the Church based on the individual both claiming to be Catholic and at the same time creating significant intentional public scandal. The Teaching is that the individual excommunicates themselves based on their action.......The Church merely publicly confirms their disunity as being certain so others do not follow that path.

Therefore, the individual excommunicates themselves but a family decides to shun someone. Excommunication also always involves Hell, Shunning does not.

[pimpdave]

A great article from Neewsweek about the Limbaugh Problem:

http://www.newsweek.com/id/188279/page/1

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Yeah, Frum is one conservative I have a lot of respect for. He's on MSNBC fairly often, as a matter of fact.

Ink brings up a good, interesting tangent here, which kind of coincides with the "Limbaugh problem". I haven't the article yet, but it is important to realize that "liberals" (as is often the term for anyone who disagrees with any part of whatever issue a self-identified conservative is bleating on about) often do have a great deal of respect for some "conservatives".

I do too. David Brooks is someone I both greatly admire and respect. I buy his books whenever they're released.

I'm curious, is there anyone from the "conservative" side that can name anyone from the "liberal" side that they respect? I can start a new thread if this isn't appropriate to how you saw this thread going, Nobunaga. (I will assume a lack of response on your part to this question to mean consent.)


[I put conservative and liberal in quotes for a reason, because I think they are too often too narrowly defined, or at least with a heavy dose of myopia. I would refer to myself as a moderate, although I know there are members of our fine community who would scoff at such a self-assessment. Of course, I'd rather just call myself a "reasonable man", and not have to use labels that are so fickle in their definitions, but I know that could be asking too much.]