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Skoffin · Post by **Skoffin** » Tue Feb 26, 2008 10:00 pm

My action last night was pretty much 'If I don't get bribed assume my action is to watch LSU' ...Which sucks, because I was bribed to watch Nag... which would have been great, however I was only informed about 5 hours before the limit and as such I did not get on in time to accept it

Iliad · Post by **Iliad** » Tue Feb 26, 2008 11:48 pm

CrabNebula wrote:Except for the fact that there was a kill less last night since Sierra killed himself. LSU of course said he didn't target anyone and thus that might be the reason but going by Iliads statements, since the person Gem Saloon targeted didn't die, they didn't get a kill. And we can agree on the assumption that whoever killed nagerous also killed Koesen 1.0 which means Koesen 1.0 wasn't killed by Gem Saloon. So they didn't get a kill that night either.

Also Iliad it would be quite better if you can tell us your character name.

And Skoffin, who did you watch last night?

A. W Merrick

I am not a watcher so I don't know if anyone else came with mandy to someone.

Should I reveal who mandy tried to clean up/whatever koesen is suggesting

Koesen · Post by **Koesen** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 8:14 am

Skoffin wrote:My action last night was pretty much 'If I don't get bribed assume my action is to watch LSU' ...Which sucks, because I was bribed to watch Nag... which would have been great, however I was only informed about 5 hours before the limit and as such I did not get on in time to accept it

I think you should stop accepting bribes. The chances that mafia is paying you to look where nothing happens are way too big.

So did you see anyone visiting LSU? I bet you didn't. Your entire role is being neutralized this way.

Anarkistsdream · Post by **Anarkistsdream** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 9:19 am

Iliad wrote:
CrabNebula wrote:Except for the fact that there was a kill less last night since Sierra killed himself. LSU of course said he didn't target anyone and thus that might be the reason but going by Iliads statements, since the person Gem Saloon targeted didn't die, they didn't get a kill. And we can agree on the assumption that whoever killed nagerous also killed Koesen 1.0 which means Koesen 1.0 wasn't killed by Gem Saloon. So they didn't get a kill that night either.

Also Iliad it would be quite better if you can tell us your character name.

And Skoffin, who did you watch last night?
A. W Merrick

I am not a watcher so I don't know if anyone else came with mandy to someone.

Should I reveal who mandy tried to clean up/whatever koesen is suggesting

YES!

CrabNebula · Post by **CrabNebula** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 10:21 am

Koesen wrote:I'm still not convinced that any kill failed last night.

All we have is that Mandy visited 'someone'. How does that mean a kill failed? I understand that all information was there with the bodies, but who says Mandy was trying to clean anything up? There are 'tricks' in this game, allowing you to visit someone at night. It's quite possible that's what Mandy was doing. Or maybe he bought a new hat and used that on someone.

I can't prove it, of course, but I still prefer the two mafia, no SK analysis.

That is quite possible, yes, however there is an equal chance of what I suggested happeneing. So I guess we cannot make any leeway into this for now.

ExplainThis wrote:
Serbia wrote:And why exactly am I connected to Cena at all?
telapus pointed out that the same strange type of voting browning used on cena was used on you as well. Its a minor connection at best.

However that enabled us (or Mandy more apporpriately) catch us two scum.

Serbia · Post by **Serbia** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 6:02 pm

CrabNebula wrote:
ExplainThis wrote:
Serbia wrote:And why exactly am I connected to Cena at all?
telapus pointed out that the same strange type of voting browning used on cena was used on you as well. Its a minor connection at best.
However that enabled us (or Mandy more apporpriately) catch us two scum.

That doesn't mean that you can just trust Mandy, the way I see it, he was clearing out the other mafia so his could win.

gimpyThewonder · Post by **gimpyThewonder** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 10:29 pm

BUMP

please play

pancakemix · Post by **pancakemix** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 10:31 pm

Serbia wrote:
CrabNebula wrote:
ExplainThis wrote:
Serbia wrote:And why exactly am I connected to Cena at all?
telapus pointed out that the same strange type of voting browning used on cena was used on you as well. Its a minor connection at best.
However that enabled us (or Mandy more apporpriately) catch us two scum.
That doesn't mean that you can just trust Mandy, the way I see it, he was clearing out the other mafia so his could win.

Of course. Anything a scum says should be taken into account later and used as evidence. Browng's voting patterns leads one to believe that since you were voted in the same manner, you could be scum. The connection IS tenuous, at best, but it is something. FOS Serb for now. I'll have to wait and see what becomes of this.

Serbia · Post by **Serbia** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 11:13 pm

For the record, I voted browng late in his lynch, and voted Cena early before his crazy claim. In other words, if I were on browng's mafia, I wouldn't have voted him late. Cena is tougher for me to argue, because sure, I could vote him early on and unvote later, which obviously became impossible, but that's the record. My best argument therefore is the browng lynch.

Iliad · Post by **Iliad** » Thu Feb 28, 2008 1:25 am

Anarkistsdream wrote:
Iliad wrote:
CrabNebula wrote:Except for the fact that there was a kill less last night since Sierra killed himself. LSU of course said he didn't target anyone and thus that might be the reason but going by Iliads statements, since the person Gem Saloon targeted didn't die, they didn't get a kill. And we can agree on the assumption that whoever killed nagerous also killed Koesen 1.0 which means Koesen 1.0 wasn't killed by Gem Saloon. So they didn't get a kill that night either.

Also Iliad it would be quite better if you can tell us your character name.

And Skoffin, who did you watch last night?
A. W Merrick

I am not a watcher so I don't know if anyone else came with mandy to someone.

Should I reveal who mandy tried to clean up/whatever koesen is suggesting
YES!

You my dear friend.

You're not gem saloon mafia.

I'm guessing the mafia was trying to kil you but not sure now

Skoffin · Post by **Skoffin** » Thu Feb 28, 2008 3:35 am

Koesen wrote:
Skoffin wrote:My action last night was pretty much 'If I don't get bribed assume my action is to watch LSU' ...Which sucks, because I was bribed to watch Nag... which would have been great, however I was only informed about 5 hours before the limit and as such I did not get on in time to accept it
I think you should stop accepting bribes. The chances that mafia is paying you to look where nothing happens are way too big.

So did you see anyone visiting LSU? I bet you didn't. Your entire role is being neutralized this way.

I want to see my bribes to get an idea of who might be trying to influence me, and if I think it is a good idea to watch a person I've been bribed to then I may aswell take it. I've only taken one bribe you know, if I had taken this one I would have information as Nag was killed.

And no, nothing happened to LSU.

Talapus · Post by **Talapus** » Thu Feb 28, 2008 3:49 am

I reslly find it hard to believe that there is an SK hiding out in the game still. I've gone over the arguements and still see no evidence to suggest that one exists. Unlees he totally sucks at his role and has yet to get a hit, I doubt there is on in the game.

Also, I can kinda understand Serbia's arguement as to why we shouldn't think he's mafia based on the whole cena voting thing. But, I'm still not convinced you're town either. I won't upgrade my FOS of you to a vote yet, but I'll be watching.

Finally, I'm completely confused by the info I recieved last night from gimpy on things I overheard. I'm not sure if lots went on during the night or what, but I still don't really understand what I learned. I did get character names with it though again...but I have yet to figure out how that will help us.

For now, I'm stumped as to who to vote for. I think I'll try looking back tomorrow and see if I can find a good connection to mandy with someother player. God knows that with the janitor, the mafia would have tried to protect him somehow. I'll look back and see if I can find anything suspicious.

LSU Tiger Josh · Post by **LSU Tiger Josh** » Thu Feb 28, 2008 7:18 am

I need to reread this after work today and no i didn't use my vig power last night. Someone i think said something to the effect of not knowing if i had claimed it or not when yes I did and I only used the power that one time.

Koesen · Post by **Koesen** » Thu Feb 28, 2008 8:04 am

Talapus, why don't you just share what you heard? It might lead to a new discussion. Keeping information back only benefits scum, not town.

I'm not sure who to look at now. I am fairly confident LJU and Iliad are town, and there's circumstantial evidence in favour of ET, Skoffin and Diddle, though I have doubts about all of them.

Serbia, I really don't know. I was suspicious of F1fth earlier, but I'm less so now.

How about looking in a new direction? Pancakemix seems to have escaped everybody's scrutiny so far.

Koesen · Post by **Koesen** » Thu Feb 28, 2008 8:09 am

Err... that should be LSU. Don't know where that J came from...

Koesen · Post by **Koesen** » Thu Feb 28, 2008 8:20 am

Iliad wrote:
Anarkistsdream wrote:
Iliad wrote:
CrabNebula wrote:Except for the fact that there was a kill less last night since Sierra killed himself. LSU of course said he didn't target anyone and thus that might be the reason but going by Iliads statements, since the person Gem Saloon targeted didn't die, they didn't get a kill. And we can agree on the assumption that whoever killed nagerous also killed Koesen 1.0 which means Koesen 1.0 wasn't killed by Gem Saloon. So they didn't get a kill that night either.

Also Iliad it would be quite better if you can tell us your character name.

And Skoffin, who did you watch last night?
A. W Merrick

I am not a watcher so I don't know if anyone else came with mandy to someone.

Should I reveal who mandy tried to clean up/whatever koesen is suggesting
YES!
You my dear friend.

You're not gem saloon mafia.

I'm guessing the mafia was trying to kil you but not sure now

That doesn't have to be true. Not that I'm particularly suspicious of AD, but it is possible Mandy bought a doctor's hat and protected his buddy or something like that.

Koesen · Post by **Koesen** » Thu Feb 28, 2008 9:01 am

At the risk of sounding scummy, maybe it's time for the cop to share his investigation results. The odds of him dying increase every day, and it would be a waste if he were killed without revealing his knowledge. There is still some kind of protection available, so it wouldn't be an immediate death sentence.

Of course, revealing himself is only useful if he has useful knowlegde to shar. If all those investigated are now dead, he's better remain hidden. But if he can reveal scum or confirm a few living townies, I think it would be worth it.

CrabNebula · Post by **CrabNebula** » Thu Feb 28, 2008 9:20 am

I quite agree with Koesen. We are sort of into a deadlock and reading back 100+ pages is rather tedious.

CrabNebula · Post by **CrabNebula** » Thu Feb 28, 2008 9:20 am

Not to mention the one-shot doc ability can go a while to protect him.

Anarkistsdream · Post by **Anarkistsdream** » Thu Feb 28, 2008 9:24 am

Well I'm glad that Mandy is dead if he was visiting me. But doesn't the mafia cleaner perform their job regardless of if they have 'visited' you at night?

I was under the impression that cleaners didn't have to visit someone. That means not only does the killer have to target the victim, but so does the cleaner, and then both actions have to go through? Sounds like a huge pain in the ass to me.

In any case, go AD for not dying last night! If someone protected me, thanks!

Koesen · Post by **Koesen** » Thu Feb 28, 2008 9:41 am

I've never been a cleaner/janitor, but I imagine they do have to visit their target too. I don't see why not.

But I doubt the purpose of Mandy's visit was to clean.

Anarkistsdream · Post by **Anarkistsdream** » Thu Feb 28, 2008 9:57 am

Koesen wrote:I've never been a cleaner/janitor, but I imagine they do have to visit their target too. I don't see why not.

But I doubt the purpose of Mandy's visit was to clean.

Well if that was his occupation, why else would he have visited me?

Unless someone bribed him, that is...

Koesen · Post by **Koesen** » Thu Feb 28, 2008 10:08 am

Koesen wrote: That doesn't have to be true. Not that I'm particularly suspicious of AD, but it is possible Mandy bought a doctor's hat and protected his buddy or something like that.

You're not really paying attention, are you?

I'm beginning to wonder if you're doing it on purpose.

Anarkistsdream · Post by **Anarkistsdream** » Thu Feb 28, 2008 10:09 am

Koesen wrote:
Koesen wrote: That doesn't have to be true. Not that I'm particularly suspicious of AD, but it is possible Mandy bought a doctor's hat and protected his buddy or something like that.
You're not really paying attention, are you?

I'm beginning to wonder if you're doing it on purpose.

I read that just fine, but I promise you that I am not scum. That's the best I can do unless the cop wants to clear me, which I would be just fine with being investigated.

Koesen · Post by **Koesen** » Thu Feb 28, 2008 1:42 pm

I'll be away from Monday - Friday