Matrix Mafia Endgame, Town and Survivors win!

[jonty125]

Sorry pmc, forgot, unvote. I have no objections to dropping a hammer if people who are already voting S7C, feel he has not answered SG7's questions adequately.

[Some7hingCLEVER]

ya im a vt but wasnt betico saying that you were scummy. idk this game is starting to get old. if you hammer me ok thats ok. i voted you because i thought the cases on me and vodean were dead. im pretty sure plenty of people have said that. why dont we question them. oh well.unvote

[shieldgenerator7]

Alright clever UNVOTE

-SG7 ( )

[soundman]

Got back from the holiday weekend the other day and am now finally caught up! This game generates a ton of pages.

Anyways I believe that both Vodean and Clever are telling the truth. So I will Unvote. However, Clever, this is not acceptable:

at this point i am not ready to unvote clever, but i am ready to start putting some pressure in other places.
either MoB, leehar, chuck, betiko, or jonty. one of them. they seem to be the scummiest people (after the hippo, edoc, clever cartel). again, THEY ARE NOT ALL MAFIA (unless by some miracle they are) but it is worth looking into.

agreed so lets put pressure on someone else lol i think shield is worth the claim.. so
unvote vote sg7

Why?

why what? why do i feel like leaving this fight me and vodean had alone? because its getting us nowhere and apparently everyone wants to pressure him.

This is why the case on you first came to be. Stop it.

I'd also like Leehar, Mob and Ghostly to pop in. They've been quiet for a while.

Now the case that I bring to the table. How about we take a little look at Everywhere? Throughout the whole game he has posted very little of substance and today is no different.

Everywhere Day 3 posts

Better than someone who hasn't seen them at all.

(Too many embedded quotes, had to remove some)

I just had a Philosoraptor moment. Could the bandwagon on Clever for being sheepish itself be a sheepish manuever?

I'm going to vote hippo, for rolefishing and if Leehar was scum I highly doubt he wouldn't get involved in two town lynches.

or not? a mafia that would play well would try to do that. and i don't see what's the harm in hippo's question. trying to fish for roles now gets people to be voted against? so asking sneaky questions makes you suspicious? a bit ridiculous. FOS jointy

Uhh...yeah.
Vote beitko.

Of course you defended yourself...any player in this game would...however, I don't have a better target right now.

Wow. I smell a jester.

another reason why i dont believe doom and jak is cuz they didnt nameclaim. so why should we believe them. if they didnt do it cuz theyre morpheus or the oracle or something, then the doc will save them. The only reason, therefore, to hide their names is fear of a counter-claim.

Morpheus is dead.

WTH? Why the claim?

then i can be less questioned... or more because apparently looking through 70 pages of forum... if i really have an interesting role, why would dazza have been replaced without reason?.

I don't understand why you claimed. Is it because you were a) afraid of questioning b) fed up c) felt it was assumed 'cos dazza quit.

Dazza quit my game, too. I would assume something happened in his life to force him to drop his games.

Unvote vote clever

He's been relatively active in other threads. He should be here shortly.

Oh, come on....the kid? That character never even hit any of my lists, nor did I believe that was an actual character until chucks wiki link. The kid? Really? I've gotta think about this one...

Is he actually in the movies?

@vodean "What! Accusing poor, lovable Bender of a crime? That's the last straw!"

Case on vodean is bad on principle. Don't lynch someone the first day they get back after catching up.

I want all VTs to claim now. We don't want any chance of mafia hiding behind that claim. Any VT not claimed by tonight I will lynch when they try that claim.

Perhaps you are trying to get all the VTs to claim so you know who not to kill?

Ok, so nobody agrees on my VT mass claim. The only problem is that for every VT claim we don't do anything and we just continue with the game. We have, as a town, proven that VT claims go unchallenged. In all likeliness we have a mafia in there now or will.

I have deliberated for quite some time and I don't want to fully claim - but I must. I was hoping we could find agent smith before I claimed. I am hoping I am correct in my intuition that pmc is agent smith. I am Neo.

I know that Neo is the main character of the Matrix films, but what is your role? Or are you not comfortable in revealing that information?

Very well. I won't pressure you guys.

Unvote vote vodeon

That's L-2 by my count.

Well, I don't know if my line of questioning was flawed (I really don't think it was), but I didn't exactly get the results I was looking for. Both vodean and S7C stated that they were not good lynch candidates because the case on the other person has more merit. I makes me wonder whether they're both scum trying to throw each other under the bus (wifom but still a possibility), or both town thinking the other is scum. Anyway, I'm guessing one of them is scum and I'll take a stab in the dark and say it's vodean. VOTE VODEAN
Yes I know this is inconsistent with what I said earlier about not voting vodean on principle of having to catch up just recently, just bear with me here

-SG7 ( )

If it's just a shot in the dark, why not vote for the person who is closest to lynch anyway?

He makes a lot of posts but doesn't really say anything or add anything. He also votes two times without saying why he voted. I feel that he has been trying to fly under the radar this entire game. Seems suspicious to me. Vote Everywhere.

[edocsil]

Neb, a question. Do you know if Dozer is here? I am hoping for some role PM flavor one way or another.

If we cannot come to a conclusion about Clever and the other current candidates I believe we should random lynch an inactive. I personally feel that none of the claimed roles are worth lynching. None of the cases are that fantastic, and with their weak claims (the VTs) Trinity will be able to quickly identify liars, so long as she can be kept alive. With any luck the Cop will have a good target in the night and perhaps we can start actually identifying some scum here.

Also, Unvote

Fastposted. Everywhere case has more merit then a RL, and runs counter to his meta. He is unclaimed so I am comfortable adapting my philosophy to his pursuit. If this doesn't pan out I will continue to advocate a RL of the inactives.

Vote Everywhere

[shieldgenerator7]

I have noted that everywhere has been posting one-liners too.

Not the least active, but one of the top contributors either. Perhaps vodean and S7C will have something to say about this.

Edoc says everywhere is playing contrary to his meta (metagaming). Soundman's case accuses of everywhere of "flying under the radar" (scummarining), voting without reasoning (BWing)(sheeping), and for posting often without saying alot (i already covered this).
VOTE EVERYWHERE I didn't want to vote without making it clear why you're being voted. This way you can at least defend yourself.

-SG7 ( )

[everywhere116]

Well, I certainly have a lot on my plate.

@sound
Well, you are certainly right about one thing, I haven't been as active as I usually am. I am guilty on that count. However, that does not mean that I wasn't reading and not considering. My votes weren't random, they were usually thought out and were made considering what had been said, although I didn't want to mindlessly repeat what everyone else was saying (beitko was the exception. I voted for him because I thought his logic was poor, and was the first and only person to do it, so I did voice my concern there.)

@edoc What is contrary to my meta? How?

Also, on an unrelated note, what does RL mean in the context you use it in?

@shield Repeating what everyone has said?

[jonty125]

I have noted that everywhere has been posting one-liners too.

I could be in trouble soon

[vodean]

yes jonty, thanks for that. I really dont think everything has been that bad... worth pressuring, sure, we could put pressure on two at once, and we have a case on betiko, as well as the same case and some scummy posts from jonty. so i think we can pressure both for claims.

[jak111]

ya im a vt but wasnt betico saying that you were scummy. idk this game is starting to get old. if you hammer me ok thats ok. i voted you because i thought the cases on me and vodean were dead. im pretty sure plenty of people have said that. why dont we question them. oh well.unvote

Just a note for later. Clever admits to sheeping someone else with his vote on SG7. Keep this in mind for later.

[Some7hingCLEVER]

ya im a vt but wasnt betico saying that you were scummy. idk this game is starting to get old. if you hammer me ok thats ok. i voted you because i thought the cases on me and vodean were dead. im pretty sure plenty of people have said that. why dont we question them. oh well.unvote

Just a note for later. Clever admits to sheeping someone else with his vote on SG7. Keep this in mind for later.

i wasnt following bindly. i had a reason how is that sheeping.

i swear to god if someone says sheeping on more time ill kill a goat

[shieldgenerator7]

Sheeping.

Now to go hide my goat....

[thehippo8]

I'd rather not hear about goating!

[Some7hingCLEVER]

Sheeping.

Now to go hide my goat....

I WILL FIND THAT GOAT!!!

[Nebuchadnezer]

Neb, a question. Do you know if Dozer is here? I am hoping for some role PM flavor one way or another.

I have no idea if Dozer is for sure in the game. (Meta-time!) I would guess that he is in the game...how would you have Tank and not Dozer? So he has to be here somewhere. It'll really get my goat, if Dozer got a power role...

[everywhere116]

Neb, a question. Do you know if Dozer is here? I am hoping for some role PM flavor one way or another.

I have no idea if Dozer is for sure in the game. (Meta-time!) I would guess that he is in the game...how would you have Tank and not Dozer? So he has to be here somewhere. It'll really get my goat, if Dozer got a power role...

Who is Dozer and what does he have to do with the game?

[thehippo8]

Neb, a question. Do you know if Dozer is here? I am hoping for some role PM flavor one way or another.

I have no idea if Dozer is for sure in the game. (Meta-time!) I would guess that he is in the game...how would you have Tank and not Dozer? So he has to be here somewhere. It'll really get my goat, if Dozer got a power role...

Who is Dozer and what does he have to do with the game?

Sucks Big E, are you serious?



Tank on the left and Dozer on the right.

In the movie, both Dozer and his younger brother Tank are said to have been born in the real world, in Zion, and are therefore unable to enter The Matrix. He acts as the pilot and co-ordinator of the Nebuchadnezzar and makes moonshine in his spare time. Dozer is slain when Cypher kills him with a lightning gun and betrays the crew.

Dozer was married to Cas and had two young children in Zion. Also living in Zion was his sister Zee. After his death, Zee's husband Link took the job of operator of the Nebuchadnezzar in respect of Dozer's wishes.

I am Zee.

[thehippo8]

While I'm at it ... here's a breakdown of the meaning of names in the Matrix and here's the script.

[vodean]

hippo, did you just claim?

[thechuck51]

hippo, did you just claim?

If by "just" you mean back in day 1 then yes he did.

[thehippo8]

hippo, did you just claim?

Crikey Vodean, that explains everything. If you skimmed day one then your whole play is skew-wiff! Wanna go back and re-read?

[betiko]

Seems like you're not really following vodean. anyway, i'll write it again (and update it), here is a factual list:

dead:

cowboyz - Captain Mifune, Town Vigilante
freezie - Morpheus, Town Watcher
Eldario - Commander Locke, Vanilla Townie
skillfusniper33 - Link, Vanilla Townie


claimed:

Nebuchadnezer - Tank, Vanilla Townie
thehippo8 - Zee, Vanilla Townie
dazza2008/vodean - Mouse, Vanilla Townie
Roussallier/Some7hingClever - The kid, Vanilla Townie
jak111 - Trinity, town mason and tracker
DoomYoshi Neo, town mason and ?


unknown:

Iron Butterfly
MoB Deadly
crazymilkshake5/LSU Tiger Josh/unreplaced
Leehar
betiko
SPARTACUS1974/pmchugh
Djfireside
jonty125
everywhere116
shieldgenerator7
thechuck51
ghostly447
soundman

[jak111]

hippo, did you just claim?

If by "just" you mean back in day 1 then yes he did.

Haha, I thought we went over this a few times o.e...

[pmchugh]

My votes weren't random, they were usually thought out and were made considering what had been said, although I didn't want to mindlessly repeat what everyone else was saying (beitko was the exception. I voted for him because I thought his logic was poor, and was the first and only person to do it, so I did voice my concern there.)

You can say they were thought out but they really don't look that way, when you just vote someone and don't even write a single line about what made them suspicious (or even highlight what someone else said) it looks like mindless BWing. I remember in Power Role Draft you came flying at me and made a great case (even if you were wrong) and it was a huge town tell. However in this game you have been posting nothing of substance what so ever, so I see what edoc meant about meta.

[MoB Deadly]

My votes weren't random, they were usually thought out and were made considering what had been said, although I didn't want to mindlessly repeat what everyone else was saying (beitko was the exception. I voted for him because I thought his logic was poor, and was the first and only person to do it, so I did voice my concern there.)

You can say they were thought out but they really don't look that way, when you just vote someone and don't even write a single line about what made them suspicious (or even highlight what someone else said) it looks like mindless BWing. I remember in Power Role Draft you came flying at me and made a great case (even if you were wrong) and it was a huge town tell. However in this game you have been posting nothing of substance what so ever, so I see what edoc meant about meta.

I have very similar suspicions about everywhere. Looking at his past votes, he was voting for a lot of the "easy" lynches I feel, and not taking a big stance on the more significant cases. He is defaulting to "going after inactives" way too much this game and a whole lot of his posts were 1 liners.

I was going to save that case for tomorrow but since pmc brought it up today I will make the case today. (Which many not be until tomorrow or saturday RL time)