Matrix Mafia Endgame, Town and Survivors win!

[betiko]

everywhere, care to elaborate what was poor logic in what i said that made me vote for me back then?
it was such a dumb vote on me i didn't even care to answer.

to tell the truth, the players i mostly have an eye on since quite a while are SG7, everywhere and to a lesser extent djfireside. this last one because he plays a too perfect ballance of activeness and contributions.
SG7 because the typical "i'm mafia vote for me" is his trademark, and people just get too wifomed about it. Like if you play poker and say "don't call i have pocket aces" and you indeed have them. I don't mind calling what I see as a bluff, I'll deal with the consequences if indeed I uncovered a power role. or claimed power role better said..
Everywhere, well first time i play him and i know he is a recognized mafia player in this forum. I don't know how he plays and for now has done nothing but small posts. Maybe he'll come out with a big thing just like hippo did before. For now I highly distrust him, more because of the unknown.

right now i don't really know where to go. I am 100% sure about jak and doom. trinity and neo are for sure in the game and if there is no counter claim well there we have our town leaders.
Out of the 4 VT claims, the one I'm less sure about is clever (what a joke the last vote unvote on sg7!! even worse sheeping than the previous time! think he's hiding something). I don't really see hippo and neb as possible fakeclaims to tell the truth.. Vodean is either playing a role so we lower our guard, either is a poor player. Continuously skimming, lacking of logic and not understanding what's going on. I think it was edoc who played her before and who said she wasn't playing the same gamestyle? Is she being serious or is she being manipulative?

Also, are we getting a replacement for lsu tiger? can this player be modkilled?
ghostly is still a deadweight and as usefull as lsu tiger that quitted..

i don't know about you guys, but i m tired about this day 3. I'm all about getting a new claim and kill that person if something interesting comes out. If not i would lynch one of the VTs. that would be clever now.

regarding my vote it stays on sg7. as mentioned before, i wan to see what he's got.

[MoB Deadly]

Shooot. I realized im late to the everywhere party....... I saw it much earlier today but I waited because I thought it was more significant to get an idea where everyone stood on the Clever and Vodean cases. I thought 1 of them were going to get lynched so I was waiting to bring up the case so it was not a distraction.

fastposted

[jonty125]

Sheeping.

Now to go hide my goat....

Sheeping.

Now to go hide my goat....

I WILL FIND THAT GOAT!!!

Oh, come on! I'll admit that I shouldn't have posted my last post, but S7C, and SG7, would you like to live? unvote vote S7C

[safariguy5]

Vote Count

clever(9)- leehar, dj, vodean, ghostly, IB, doom, jak, neb, jonty
vodean(2)- mob, everywhere
shield(3)- betiko, hippo, chuck
no lynch(1)- pmc
everywhere(3)- sound, edoc, shield

With 20 alive, it takes 11 to lynch.

[soundman]

@sound
Well, you are certainly right about one thing, I haven't been as active as I usually am. I am guilty on that count. However, that does not mean that I wasn't reading and not considering. My votes weren't random, they were usually thought out and were made considering what had been said, although I didn't want to mindlessly repeat what everyone else was saying (beitko was the exception. I voted for him because I thought his logic was poor, and was the first and only person to do it, so I did voice my concern there.)

But when you just vote without any sort of explanation that comes across as BWing. For example this post of yours:

WTH? Why the claim?

then i can be less questioned... or more because apparently looking through 70 pages of forum... if i really have an interesting role, why would dazza have been replaced without reason?.

I don't understand why you claimed. Is it because you were a) afraid of questioning b) fed up c) felt it was assumed 'cos dazza quit.

Dazza quit my game, too. I would assume something happened in his life to force him to drop his games.

Unvote vote clever

You're talking about Dazza quitting and then all of a sudden you vote Clever. My vote is staying where it is.

[Djfireside]

I do see your point soundman and others and decided to go reading through and it is starting to tip the scales. One thing that caught me as odd when I was reading through everywhere's statements is that he started at the beginning of when we started with Clever and Vod with a statement of staying out of it with isnt it sheepish to hunt whoever was sheepish but then with this last vote just kinda drops in and follows the same pattern that initally they stated was a strange method and drops in. Then we get the following

Well, I don't know if my line of questioning was flawed (I really don't think it was), but I didn't exactly get the results I was looking for. Both vodean and S7C stated that they were not good lynch candidates because the case on the other person has more merit. I makes me wonder whether they're both scum trying to throw each other under the bus (wifom but still a possibility), or both town thinking the other is scum. Anyway, I'm guessing one of them is scum and I'll take a stab in the dark and say it's vodean. VOTE VODEAN
Yes I know this is inconsistent with what I said earlier about not voting vodean on principle of having to catch up just recently, just bear with me here

-SG7 ( )

If it's just a shot in the dark, why not vote for the person who is closest to lynch anyway?

basically stating at this point he is just trying to push for a lynch and just blindly vote which they apparently were doing themselves. Each of their votes have been on someone who is being pushed and sticks to keep hitting those who are being pressured.

but the last thing that got me which caught me as strange and having trouble making heads or tails of it but

And the Matrix wiki is consistent in calling him "Lock", although it does seem to be a common misconception to call him locke...

Jason Lock

Ok, but he still an inactive VT.

here they looked up who they are in the wiki and checked through everything and played off knowledge but Dozer, a well known and already mentioned charecter eludes them?

Neb, a question. Do you know if Dozer is here? I am hoping for some role PM flavor one way or another.

I have no idea if Dozer is for sure in the game. (Meta-time!) I would guess that he is in the game...how would you have Tank and not Dozer? So he has to be here somewhere. It'll really get my goat, if Dozer got a power role...

Who is Dozer and what does he have to do with the game?

I still hold my reservations on clever and how Shield jumped in and kept trying to protect them plus how clever reacted themselves to the pressure which is why I have left my vote on him as of yet because of how everything has played out.

However Everywhere has definately peaked my interest, mainly small non-relevant posts and random voting with whoever is leading in the vote count. FOS Everywhere and more than likely a vote coming as well once I print this out and re-read everything.

[safariguy5]

Announcement

aage (I know right??!!!) will be replacing LSU Tiger Josh. He notified me that he would be busy until Monday, but that he would begin posting after that.

[edocsil]

Announcement

aage (I know right??!!!) will be replacing LSU Tiger Josh. He notified me that he would be busy until Monday, but that he would begin posting after that.

Holy Shit! I'm going to go off and necro that game of his.... Perhaps ill wait till the weekend

[pmchugh]

unvote vote everywhere- may as well put my vote on it now we seem to have a case I actually agree with.

[Nebuchadnezer]

I do see your point soundman and others and decided to go reading through and it is starting to tip the scales. One thing that caught me as odd when I was reading through everywhere's statements is that he started at the beginning of when we started with Clever and Vod with a statement of staying out of it with isnt it sheepish to hunt whoever was sheepish but then with this last vote just kinda drops in and follows the same pattern that initally they stated was a strange method and drops in. Then we get the following

Well, I don't know if my line of questioning was flawed (I really don't think it was), but I didn't exactly get the results I was looking for. Both vodean and S7C stated that they were not good lynch candidates because the case on the other person has more merit. I makes me wonder whether they're both scum trying to throw each other under the bus (wifom but still a possibility), or both town thinking the other is scum. Anyway, I'm guessing one of them is scum and I'll take a stab in the dark and say it's vodean. VOTE VODEAN
Yes I know this is inconsistent with what I said earlier about not voting vodean on principle of having to catch up just recently, just bear with me here

-SG7 ( )

If it's just a shot in the dark, why not vote for the person who is closest to lynch anyway?

basically stating at this point he is just trying to push for a lynch and just blindly vote which they apparently were doing themselves. Each of their votes have been on someone who is being pushed and sticks to keep hitting those who are being pressured.

but the last thing that got me which caught me as strange and having trouble making heads or tails of it but

And the Matrix wiki is consistent in calling him "Lock", although it does seem to be a common misconception to call him locke...

Jason Lock

Ok, but he still an inactive VT.

here they looked up who they are in the wiki and checked through everything and played off knowledge but Dozer, a well known and already mentioned charecter eludes them?

Neb, a question. Do you know if Dozer is here? I am hoping for some role PM flavor one way or another.

I have no idea if Dozer is for sure in the game. (Meta-time!) I would guess that he is in the game...how would you have Tank and not Dozer? So he has to be here somewhere. It'll really get my goat, if Dozer got a power role...

Who is Dozer and what does he have to do with the game?

I still hold my reservations on clever and how Shield jumped in and kept trying to protect them plus how clever reacted themselves to the pressure which is why I have left my vote on him as of yet because of how everything has played out.

However Everywhere has definately peaked my interest, mainly small non-relevant posts and random voting with whoever is leading in the vote count. FOS Everywhere and more than likely a vote coming as well once I print this out and re-read everything.

I have to say, DJ, very well put together case. This, along with the other cases brought forward on Everywhere, have me convinced.

VOTE everywhere

[aage]

Announcement

aage (I know right??!!!) will be replacing LSU Tiger Josh. He notified me that he would be busy until Monday, but that he would begin posting after that.

Holy Shit! I'm going to go off and necro that game of his.... Perhaps ill wait till the weekend

Sorry to break it to you, but I think I lost the role list of the previous game. The problem with these theme games though is that all theme role claims (like Neo and Trinity) are plausible, and virtually cannot be doubted. I gave the scum some fake claim roles in that game, I hope Safari provided some good ones this time, but it often butchers the balance. :/


Anyway, hi guys. What's up?

[DoomYoshi]

Announcement

aage (I know right??!!!) will be replacing LSU Tiger Josh. He notified me that he would be busy until Monday, but that he would begin posting after that.

Holy Shit! I'm going to go off and necro that game of his.... Perhaps ill wait till the weekend

Sorry to break it to you, but I think I lost the role list of the previous game. The problem with these theme games though is that all theme role claims (like Neo and Trinity) are plausible, and virtually cannot be doubted. I gave the scum some fake claim roles in that game, I hope Safari provided some good ones this time, but it often butchers the balance. :/


Anyway, hi guys. What's up?

Vote aage

[Some7hingCLEVER]

Sheeping.

Now to go hide my goat....

Sheeping.

Now to go hide my goat....

I WILL FIND THAT GOAT!!!

Oh, come on! I'll admit that I shouldn't have posted my last post, but S7C, and SG7, would you like to live? unvote vote S7C

Oh..that's ur reason? And I'm sheeping?

[aage]

Read most of day 3, some observations.

- Vodean is a new player? I recall reading the name before. Still, why would anyone as replacement start off their career by insta-claiming role name and VT? Also, as said before... when you accuse everyone, yes, everyone will omgus.

- Edoc'sil and Clever are conspicuous. Edoc' seems almost 100% sure that Clever is a VT, but he's smart enough to know that's poor play for a cop, so I'm crossing that off. Besides, Clever seems to be defending himself exceedingly rigorous for a vanilla, but Edoc' doesn't seem to notice. Conspicuous.

- Sligh FoS on all who claimed to have watched Matrix Reloaded for poor flavour reading. The woman in the car is very obviously Captain Niobe. (The Oracle? Really? /facepalm)

[edocsil]

Read most of day 3, some observations.

- Vodean is a new player? I recall reading the name before. Still, why would anyone as replacement start off their career by insta-claiming role name and VT? Also, as said before... when you accuse everyone, yes, everyone will omgus.

- Edoc'sil and Clever are conspicuous. Edoc' seems almost 100% sure that Clever is a VT, but he's smart enough to know that's poor play for a cop, so I'm crossing that off. Besides, Clever seems to be defending himself exceedingly rigorous for a vanilla, but Edoc' doesn't seem to notice. Conspicuous.

- Sligh FoS on all who claimed to have watched Matrix Reloaded for poor flavour reading. The woman in the car is very obviously Captain Niobe. (The Oracle? Really? /facepalm)

Vodean used to play and then left about 2 years ago.

I believe The Kid to be in the game, and I would guess that he has a weaker role. Clever hasn't been scummy enough to consider rehashing the cases on him to be worth our time.

Some of the flavor analysis has been atrocious, I agree.

[aage]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLtbQLv9-NA

^Evidence for Niobe, fastforward to 8:00.

[aage]

Clever hasn't been scummy enough to consider rehashing the cases on him to be worth our time.

I considered that possibility, but is this really the response you would give if you're insta-wagoned by 6 people at dawn of the day?

what is in your mind right now doom? lol i mean come on your sheeping on him voting me...for sheeping! omg regardless go ahead and vote me. and by the way he said wasnt enough for a vote yet you vote. why?

so for following blind you vote me. but your doing the same. and your getting bored? so your gonna POSSIBLY out a power role cause...YOUR BORED. if your bored be replaced at least try to care and show consideration instead of throwing your vote around cause...your bored
...
ok so you vote me for bandwagoning? but you do the same? does this make sense to anyone?

If I were bandwagoned I probably wouldn't really care in the first place, a casual "lol hypocrites" argument would've been enough. S7c gives that argument... 5 times?

...look at that huge post i just wrote...then answer

To be fair, it was huge. Unnecessarily so, especially if he's a VT. I don't get it.

I'm not voting anyone yet because I remember that Safari puts way too many VT's in his game in the first place, and I don't know this guy's meta. My intuition does yell "scum" very loudly though, especially after the demand for a watcher. Then still, I don't know his meta so he might very well just be a noob who doesn't know how to find scum. Hence no vote.

[jonty125]

Sheeping.

Now to go hide my goat....

Sheeping.

Now to go hide my goat....

I WILL FIND THAT GOAT!!!

Oh, come on! I'll admit that I shouldn't have posted my last post, but S7C, and SG7, would you like to live? unvote vote S7C

Oh..that's ur reason? And I'm sheeping?

Well, you're not helping town.

[safariguy5]

Vote Count

clever(7)- leehar, dj, vodean, ghostly, IB, jak, jonty
vodean(2)- mob, everywhere
shield(3)- betiko, hippo, chuck
everywhere(5)- sound, edoc, shield, pmc, neb
aage(1)- doom

With 20 alive, it takes 11 to lynch.

[pmchugh]

Besides, Clever seems to be defending himself exceedingly rigorous for a vanilla,

I would defend myself to the death as almost any role, but then again I value myself as a VT more than someone else as a cop

[betiko]

aage, you already went through the whole 90 pages??? or just day 3?

[aage]

I read D3 and the lynch/night results of both days. But don't expect many posts from me this weekend, im working towards some final deadlines. After that I'm.game

[Djfireside]

I will move my vote to everywhere for all my reasons earlier just didnt get back online last night cause of Wife Aggro

Vote Everywhere

[Some7hingCLEVER]

hey guys im back finally fisnished school woooooooo

but anyway i see we have a new person..its about time lol.

Sheeping.

Now to go hide my goat....

Sheeping.

Now to go hide my goat....

I WILL FIND THAT GOAT!!!

Oh, come on! I'll admit that I shouldn't have posted my last post, but S7C, and SG7, would you like to live? unvote vote S7C

Oh..that's ur reason? And I'm sheeping?

Well, you're not helping town.

my point is that after everything brought up that you didnt vote me. but after that joke which if you have ever played with me i joke alot im a comedian its my job. anyway i make jokes and i dont see the scumminess in that joke..it literally had nothing to do with the game. oh well if your gonna vote me for that it almost seems like you dont care. and if you dont care then dont vote.

[jak111]

Okay, before I start.. I need to fix some grammar issues that are REALLY bugging me o.e....

What is in your mind right now doom? lol, I mean come on you're sheeping on him [for] voting me...for sheeping! omg, regardless go ahead and vote me.(DON'T START A SENTENCE WITH AND!!!) and by the way he said [it] wasnt enough for a vote yet you vote. Why?

So for following blind you vote me. But you're doing the same. and you're getting bored? So you're gonna POSSIBLY out a power role cause...YOU'RE BORED. If you're bored be replaced at or least try to care and show consideration instead of throwing your vote around cause...you're bored
...
Ok so you vote me for bandwagoning? But you do the same? Does this make sense to anyone?

Obviously I never fixed every grammar error I found, but with THAT many errors it was starting to get to me o.e... I do not mind looking at a few mistakes here and there in spelling and punctuation, but when you can't even use "Your" and "You're" properly when you use it again and again in the same paragraph.. it gets to me...

Clever hasn't been scummy enough to consider rehashing the cases on him to be worth our time.

I considered that possibility, but is this really the response you would give if you're insta-wagoned by 6 people at dawn of the day?

what is in your mind right now doom? lol i mean come on your sheeping on him voting me...for sheeping! omg regardless go ahead and vote me. and by the way he said wasnt enough for a vote yet you vote. why?

so for following blind you vote me. but your doing the same. and your getting bored? so your gonna POSSIBLY out a power role cause...YOUR BORED. if your bored be replaced at least try to care and show consideration instead of throwing your vote around cause...your bored
...
ok so you vote me for bandwagoning? but you do the same? does this make sense to anyone?

If I were bandwagoned I probably wouldn't really care in the first place, a casual "lol hypocrites" argument would've been enough. S7c gives that argument... 5 times?

...look at that huge post i just wrote...then answer

To be fair, it was huge. Unnecessarily so, especially if he's a VT. I don't get it.

I'm not voting anyone yet because I remember that Safari puts way too many VT's in his game in the first place, and I don't know this guy's meta. My intuition does yell "scum" very loudly though, especially after the demand for a watcher. Then still, I don't know his meta so he might very well just be a noob who doesn't know how to find scum. Hence no vote.

He's in between. He started around the same time that I did, so I am guessing that he may also be a bit younger by some things he says some games. This game is like a few others but unlike others I do not believe he's trying 'new tactics', he's still himself just he seems to be losing it once in a while. Especially with that watcher outburst. There was no need of it yet he panicked.

Now onto Clever's latest post. You're back, yet you still do not contribute. The thing is Clever, it wasn't after the joke. You're near being LYNCHED. You're not the type of person that jokes when you near it, you freak out! Also, your 'joke' wasn't really funny when you're trying to weasel out of the pressure on you when you know that it's a great amount.

We played HE together Clever and when everyone else believed you were town doctor, a few others and I knew otherwise. You're not that good at fake claiming and that is why when you ARE town you're seen as guilty. I'll watch the Reloaded tonight and if it doesn't mention The Kid in it. Your goose is cooked Clever.