Pokemon Endgame: Mafia Victory + jonty

[nagerous]

Wow, spam much? Can we get back to the mafia? If you want to randomly talk pokemon you should do it in OT or something.

[sheepofdumb]

Naggy naggy nag. This is a pokemon mafia thread. You should have seen this coming a mile away. There are lots of serious mafia games being played right now. Lighten up and join in the discussion.

Aside from mudkips, because anyone who dislikes them should be burned at the stake, eevee is probably my favorite pokemon. They are just too cute!

[evilchaos]

Wow, spam much? Can we get back to the mafia? If you want to randomly talk pokemon you should do it in OT or something.

Very well. Sorry for breaking up your discussion of a separate game.

Vote freezie. I'm sure this vote won't pass (nor should it in Day 1), but I find it fishy that freezie claimed the one role that makes it impossible for us to figure him out for sure if he is in fact scum. Especially at the very beginning of Day 1, before any discussion about anything had begun. I would assume that he would know this act is suspicious, and this is definitely a WIFOM situation, but in the end I don't believe that a miller would announce themselves at the beginning of Day 1 when they aren't in immediate danger of being "found out."

[DoomYoshi]

VOTE COUNT

1. Fircoal (2) - shield, Sully
2. Streaker
3. karelpieterje
4. shieldgenerator7
5. Victor Sullivan
6. Army of God (1) Army
7. Rodion (0)
8. Hank44Soccer
9. shaggydan
10. sheepofdumb
11. kratos644
12. jonty125 (1) jonty,
13. Mr. Squirrel (2) The, sheep
14. jimfinn
15. Haggis McMutton (1) Mr.
16. nagerous
17. freezie (1) evil
18. TheFissk (1) shag,
19. jug68
20. Commander9
21. evilchaos (1) , jimfinn

With 21 alive, it takes 11 to lynch.

There is a deadline in place, but I can't tell you what it is since the alarm clock is broken

[Streaker]

Good morning TOOOWN!

So I wake up not only AFTER joking is over (1 friggin night!), but also with 3 or 4 claims already!
FoS the mod for putting in a deadline and not telling us what it is. Scummy!


For the record, I only played Red/Blue. They are the only Pokémon games.
The Charizard - Dragonite combo was unbeatable.

[Haggis_McMutton]

Doubting freezie is ok, but its best done silently if you already know that it will lead to WIFOM. Hell, I don't even like mentioning it nowadays because it always takes town off on a tangent.

Wait, what?
How is doubting anyone "silently" going to do anything? How is not sharing your thoughts good for town?
Also, since when is it a bad thing to point out a situation is WIFOM-y? He might be telling the truth, he might be scum making a gutsy gamble, or he might need to let someone know his role for whatever reason(recruitment or what not) and choose this way to do it.

I find it interesting that you say: "You can doubt his claim, but don't voice those doubts, we wouldn't want the town at large to start doubting him too" ...

[freezie]

Good morning TOOOWN!

So I wake up not only AFTER joking is over (1 friggin night!), but also with 3 or 4 claims already!
FoS the mod for putting in a deadline and not telling us what it is. Scummy!

Vote: Streaker for ultra skimming.

Seriously, about 5 pages of substance and you can't tell there has been only one claim?

[ShaggyDan]

Invisible deadline makes me scared... Unvote Jokevote

The thing about Freezie claiming miller is at least somewhat useful in the sense

[ShaggyDan]

Stupid keyboard, ignore last post.

Invisible deadline makes me scared... Unvote Jokevote

The thing about Freezie claiming miller is at least somewhat useful in the sense that we won't waste a cop investigation on him. But as far as determaining if the claim is true, the only way is by watching his playstyle.

Honestly, I think claims count for very little. There's no pokemon that are inherently evil. And abilities can be lied about. A lot of this comes down to good old fashioned scum hunting.

[Streaker]

Good morning TOOOWN!

So I wake up not only AFTER joking is over (1 friggin night!), but also with 3 or 4 claims already!
FoS the mod for putting in a deadline and not telling us what it is. Scummy!

Vote: Streaker for ultra skimming.

Seriously, about 5 pages of substance and you can't tell there has been only one claim?

1

Jesse!

2

James!

3

Meowth!

4 is the miller claim



I want at least some part in the joke voting

[Mr. Squirrel]

Doubting freezie is ok, but its best done silently if you already know that it will lead to WIFOM. Hell, I don't even like mentioning it nowadays because it always takes town off on a tangent.

Wait, what?
How is doubting anyone "silently" going to do anything? How is not sharing your thoughts good for town?
Also, since when is it a bad thing to point out a situation is WIFOM-y? He might be telling the truth, he might be scum making a gutsy gamble, or he might need to let someone know his role for whatever reason(recruitment or what not) and choose this way to do it.

I find it interesting that you say: "You can doubt his claim, but don't voice those doubts, we wouldn't want the town at large to start doubting him too" ...

My point is that calling attention to a WIFOM situation will get us nowhere. WIFOM never does. At the moment I'm wary of freezie's claim too, but unless there is any information you can divulge that would lead us to believe he is lying, then there is very little reason to discuss his claim. You are experienced enough to know that.

[Haggis_McMutton]

Doubting freezie is ok, but its best done silently if you already know that it will lead to WIFOM. Hell, I don't even like mentioning it nowadays because it always takes town off on a tangent.

Wait, what?
How is doubting anyone "silently" going to do anything? How is not sharing your thoughts good for town?
Also, since when is it a bad thing to point out a situation is WIFOM-y? He might be telling the truth, he might be scum making a gutsy gamble, or he might need to let someone know his role for whatever reason(recruitment or what not) and choose this way to do it.

I find it interesting that you say: "You can doubt his claim, but don't voice those doubts, we wouldn't want the town at large to start doubting him too" ...

My point is that calling attention to a WIFOM situation will get us nowhere. WIFOM never does. At the moment I'm wary of freezie's claim too, but unless there is any information you can divulge that would lead us to believe he is lying, then there is very little reason to discuss his claim. You are experienced enough to know that.

I completely disagree.
There may be no point to debate his claim for 10 pages, but for everyone to post their thoughts on it is valuable. That's how mafia works, you post your thoughts on the going ons, otherwise there would be no way to build cases later.
You seem to be saying "hush now, quickly move on, leave freezie alone".
I guess if we were under time pressure it might make some sense, but the day's just started.

[shieldgenerator7]

Yes, the day's just started, but there's an invisible deadline! It's just like the rapture! You never know when it's coming!
Seriously now, whoever killed the alarm clock pokemon just stand up and confess.
Seeing how the joke vote stage is over, Unvote Fircoal doesn't deserve to be lynched (yet).
I personally am not worried about freezie and his claim. It may be a fake claim to keep from being found out but if he really is the miller then it will help out town by making sure cop doesn't waste a night investigating him. Other than the miller claim, freezie really hasn't done anything scum worthy.
On a lighter note,

Stupid keyboard, ignore last post.

he he yeah, I know how you feel man.

[jonty125]

[quote"Mr.Squirrel]Doubting freezie is ok, but its best done silently [/quote]

What???!!!

How on earth would that help the town. Are you trying to protect fellow mafia?

[jonty125]

EBWOP
[quote"Mr.Squirrel"]Doubting freezie is ok, but its best done silently [/quote]

What???!!!

How on earth would that help the town. Are you trying to protect fellow mafia?

[jonty125]

3rd time lucky

Doubting freezie is ok, but its best done silently

[Mr. Squirrel]

3rd time lucky

Doubting freezie is ok, but its best done silently

Are you incapable of reading what I said afterward? WIFOM situations waste the town's time and energy. I would rather not get into one so early in the game, especially when we have a mystery deadline

Seriously now, whoever killed the alarm clock pokemon just stand up and confess.

It was a voltorb, it probably blew itself up.

[jonty125]

Apologies, Mr.S forgot you'd said why (in several mafia games and got slightly mixed up with who was doing what and where)

[DoomYoshi]

Vote Count:

Fircoal (2) - shieldgenerator7, Victor Sullivan
Streaker (1) - Streaker
Army of God (1) - Army of God
jonty125 (1) - jonty125
Mr. Squirrel (2) - sheepofdumb, TheFissk
Haggis McMutton (1) - Mr. Squirrel
freezie (1) - evilchaos
TheFissk (1) - shaggydan
evilchaos (1) - jimfinn

With 21 alive it takes 11 to lynch

Sorry for such a short span, I am just testing out Shield's new vote counter.

[jonty125]

Doom are we seriously not going to know when the deadlines are, or was that a joke?

[DoomYoshi]

The observant players will know when the deadlines are. When it gets close, I will let everyone know. The deadline was announced in the rules.

I liked the jokes that came out from the scene, and figured I could play it up somewhat.

[evilchaos]

Discussion is the only way to get anywhere. We can't figure out the WIFOM situation yet, but discussion of it can lead to someone slipping up (either freezie if he did a fake claim or the real mafia if his claim was true). Silent thoughts can't lead to much of anything.

[Mr. Squirrel]

The observant players will know when the deadlines are. When it gets close, I will let everyone know. The deadline was announced in the rules.

He's right. Its 24 hours for each player alive from the start of the day. So we have 3 weeks from the day scene to settle the lynch.

[shieldgenerator7]

ok, thanks Mr. S. that cools my jets tremendously

[freezie]

Honestly, I think claims count for very little. There's no pokemon that are inherently evil. And abilities can be lied about. A lot of this comes down to good old fashioned scum hunting.

Pokemons, no, but team rocket is inherently evil, as you said so.

I won't surprise you if I say I beleive that Nurse Joey would be the doctor, and Officer Jenny as the cop.

Ash, Misty, Brock, Professor Oak, team rocket, Giovanni...These are all possible roles out there. Doubt that this is 100% pokemon roles. I am only one of them


However..Claims always meant little compared to playstyle, anyway XD