Conquer Club

Sapient wrote:Actually, many countries don't have a problem with Christians in the middle east, such as the Levant. Syria and Egypt.

There are examples in this thread of Christians being murdered because of their faith in those countries.

mrswdk wrote:

Sapient wrote:Actually, many countries don't have a problem with Christians in the middle east, such as the Levant. Syria and Egypt.

There are examples in this thread of Christians being murdered because of their faith in those countries.

You can find outliers anywhere.

I'm sure the hundreds of thousands of grieving family members would be comforted by your assurances that their relatives were just 'outliers'.

mrswdk wrote:I'm sure the hundreds of thousands of grieving family members would be comforted by your assurances that their relatives were just 'outliers'.

You seem to have missed the point about how that figure of 100,000 per year is vastly exaggerated, so I'll quote it again.

Metsfanmax wrote:

mrswdk wrote:The Vatican is the source. I told you exactly who I was quoting in my OP.

That's not the original source; that's secondhand information. Since no one was looking it up, I googled the quote. And lo and behold, the BBC did our job for us:

Its researchers started by estimating the number of Christians who died as martyrs between 2000 and 2010 - about one million by their reckoning - and divided that number by 10 to get an annual number, 100,000.

But how do they reach that figure of one million?

When you dig down, you see that the majority died in the civil war in the Democratic Republic of Congo.

More than four million are estimated to have been killed in that war between 2000 and 2010, and CSGC counts 900,000 of them - or 20% - as martyrs.

Over 10 years, that averages out at 90,000 per year.

So when you hear that 100,000 Christians are dying for their faith, you need to keep in mind that the vast majority - 90,000 - are people who were killed in DR Congo.

This means we can say right away that the internet rumours of Muslims being behind the killing of 100,000 Christian martyrs are nonsense. The DRC is a Christian country. In the civil war, Christians were killing Christians.

Wasting your breath Mets. She is going to believe whatever she wants to believe.

Sapient wrote:

So true,the cartoon captures the 'spoilt brat mentality' of so many of the religious,born out of getting their own way for millennia,and their extraordinary sense of their own specialness.If you have a direct personal relationship with the divine and you somehow delude yourself that you know what she wants it's only to be expected you would have contempt for those of us that are so less fortunate.

This one explains mrswdk perfectly:

Nice avatar. So what cave have you crawled out of?

Lets see, I was born in Detroit, lived in Michigan for a while. Went to high school in North Carolina. Joined the Air Force, became an Airborne Cryptologic Linguist in Levantine Arabic (dialects of Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, and Palestine). Did that for a bit. Left. Now I'm going to school for computer engineering (only working on my associate's) as I work at a movie theater for pennies.

Oh, and I'm living in Charlotte, NC currently. How about yourself, Utah?

I don't think Muslims invaded Iraq, Afghanistan and want to blow up Iran recently. Last time I checked it was the Christian Americans and George evangelical Bush that killed thousands of Muslims, invaded their land for oil and Israel.

chang50 wrote:

Sapient wrote:

So true,the cartoon captures the 'spoilt brat mentality' of so many of the religious,born out of getting their own way for millennia,and their extraordinary sense of their own specialness.If you have a direct personal relationship with the divine and you somehow delude yourself that you know what she wants it's only to be expected you would have contempt for those of us that are so less fortunate.

No, not religious. Just Christians. You clearly did not understand the comic.

GeneralMao wrote:I don't think Muslims invaded Iraq, Afghanistan and want to blow up Iran recently. Last time I checked it was the Christian Americans and George evangelical Bush that killed thousands of Muslims, invaded their land for oil and Israel.

Woah. I live in a Christian theocracy? Do tell!

thegreekdog wrote:

chang50 wrote:

Sapient wrote:

So true,the cartoon captures the 'spoilt brat mentality' of so many of the religious,born out of getting their own way for millennia,and their extraordinary sense of their own specialness.If you have a direct personal relationship with the divine and you somehow delude yourself that you know what she wants it's only to be expected you would have contempt for those of us that are so less fortunate.

No, not religious. Just Christians. You clearly did not understand the comic.

True the cartoon singles out Christians,but to be fair to them it describes a mentality common to a lot of religious adherents..

chang50 wrote:

thegreekdog wrote:

chang50 wrote:

Sapient wrote:

So true,the cartoon captures the 'spoilt brat mentality' of so many of the religious,born out of getting their own way for millennia,and their extraordinary sense of their own specialness.If you have a direct personal relationship with the divine and you somehow delude yourself that you know what she wants it's only to be expected you would have contempt for those of us that are so less fortunate.

No, not religious. Just Christians. You clearly did not understand the comic.

True the cartoon singles out Christians,but to be fair to them it describes a mentality common to a lot of religious adherents..

What do you mean by "a lot?" 90%? 40%?

thegreekdog wrote:Unfortunately, I don't think putting the question a different way is going to get you to answer it. So, I'll say again, you're wrong.

Hmm, I get that you're annoyed, but consider at least that I made the effort to work out a reasonable discussion.

Symmetry wrote:

thegreekdog wrote:Unfortunately, I don't think putting the question a different way is going to get you to answer it. So, I'll say again, you're wrong.

Hmm, I get that you're annoyed, but consider at least that I made the effort to work out a reasonable discussion.

I'm not annoyed. There is nothing to be annoyed about. Typically, when I'm correct about something, I'm happy, not annoyed. That is the case here. I'm happy.

And no, you did not make an effort at a reasonable discussion.

thegreekdog wrote:

Symmetry wrote:

thegreekdog wrote:Unfortunately, I don't think putting the question a different way is going to get you to answer it. So, I'll say again, you're wrong.

Hmm, I get that you're annoyed, but consider at least that I made the effort to work out a reasonable discussion.

I'm not annoyed. There is nothing to be annoyed about. Typically, when I'm correct about something, I'm happy, not annoyed. That is the case here. I'm happy.

And no, you did not make an effort at a reasonable discussion.

What would we have to do to establish a reasonable discussion? Assuming you would like one, of course.

Symmetry wrote:

thegreekdog wrote:

Symmetry wrote:

thegreekdog wrote:Unfortunately, I don't think putting the question a different way is going to get you to answer it. So, I'll say again, you're wrong.

Hmm, I get that you're annoyed, but consider at least that I made the effort to work out a reasonable discussion.

I'm not annoyed. There is nothing to be annoyed about. Typically, when I'm correct about something, I'm happy, not annoyed. That is the case here. I'm happy.

And no, you did not make an effort at a reasonable discussion.

What would we have to do to establish a reasonable discussion? Assuming you would like one, of course.

How about we start back here?

http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewto ... 0#p4343123

thegreekdog wrote:

Symmetry wrote:

thegreekdog wrote:

Symmetry wrote:

thegreekdog wrote:Unfortunately, I don't think putting the question a different way is going to get you to answer it. So, I'll say again, you're wrong.

Hmm, I get that you're annoyed, but consider at least that I made the effort to work out a reasonable discussion.

I'm not annoyed. There is nothing to be annoyed about. Typically, when I'm correct about something, I'm happy, not annoyed. That is the case here. I'm happy.

And no, you did not make an effort at a reasonable discussion.

What would we have to do to establish a reasonable discussion? Assuming you would like one, of course.

How about we start back here?

http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewto ... 0#p4343123

Ok dude, as I replied earlier, I hadn't considered those wars. I'm willing to consider them if you let me know of a conflict you consider to be a crusade.

The short of it is, if you don't think anything is a crusade then there is no point in further discussion- you will always say that anything declared as a crusade is not a crusade, but you won't give an example of a crusade.

TGD, would you agree that Sym is on a crusade?

Symmetry wrote:The short of it is, if you don't think anything is a crusade then there is no point in further discussion- you will always say that anything declared as a crusade is not a crusade, but you won't give an example of a crusade.

Well, I agree with the free dictionary's definitions of the term crusade:

1. often Crusade - any of the military expeditions undertaken by European Christians in the 11th, 12th, and 13th centuries to recover the Holy Land from the Muslims.
2. a holy war undertaken with papal sanction.
3. a vigorous, concerted movement for a cause or against an abuse.

A religious crusade (recall that this is a thread with a religious context) would fit into definitions 1. and 2. World War 2 (and, to sabotage's point, your posts in this thread maybe) were crusades as defined by 3. But not religious crusades. Perhaps the war in Afghanistan is a vigorous, concerted movement for a cause or against abuse. But you called it a religious crusade in a thread about religion, so you appear to think that the war in Afghanistan falls into the 1. and 2. definitions.

On World Wars One and Two, your definition of religious crusade (which I gleaned from your definition of the War in Afghanistan being a religious crusade) is that people call it a crusade. That is not really something for you to consider or not consider. If your baseline test is "someone called it a crusade" then World Wars One and Two were religious crusades because people called them crusades.

thegreekdog wrote:

Symmetry wrote:The short of it is, if you don't think anything is a crusade then there is no point in further discussion- you will always say that anything declared as a crusade is not a crusade, but you won't give an example of a crusade.

Well, I agree with the free dictionary's definitions of the term crusade:

Symmetry wrote:Urgh

1. often Crusade - any of the military expeditions undertaken by European Christians in the 11th, 12th, and 13th centuries to recover the Holy Land from the Muslims.
2. a holy war undertaken with papal sanction.
3. a vigorous, concerted movement for a cause or against an abuse.

A religious crusade (recall that this is a thread with a religious context) would fit into definitions 1. and 2. World War 2 (and, to sabotage's point, your posts in this thread maybe) were crusades as defined by 3. But not religious crusades. Perhaps the war in Afghanistan is a vigorous, concerted movement for a cause or against abuse. But you called it a religious crusade in a thread about religion, so you appear to think that the war in Afghanistan falls into the 1. and 2. definitions.

Thanks for the web dictionary definition and all, but it sort of seems like you just googled "crusade" and went with whatever you could find first.

What I asked for was something you considered a crusade as a point for comparison.

Sapient wrote:Lets see, I was born in Detroit, lived in Michigan for a while. Went to high school in North Carolina. Joined the Air Force, became an Airborne Cryptologic Linguist in Levantine Arabic (dialects of Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, and Palestine). Did that for a bit. Left. Now I'm going to school for computer engineering (only working on my associate's) as I work at a movie theater for pennies.

Oh, and I'm living in Charlotte, NC currently. How about yourself, Utah?

Oh, oh, oh....P3 Orion AWACS. You're a spy in the sky.