The Whitechapel Murderer- GAME OVER - TOWN WON

[gregwolf121]

DY your case seems weird to me, you say that you think benga is town, yet we should lynch him because WSC we lynch a vt? i think we still have time to look at other options.
but i would also agree that letting the i'm new defense stand for too long isn't going to help town,

[strike wolf]

Although I am starting to think he is town.

omgus could be a noob mistake, granted, but i have seen nothing that could make him seem town, so are you just throwing this comment because IB and nag found your and neb behaviour scummy?
FOS DY
As for my reason voting him still stands, he hasn't made a single coherent post yet, ah "i OMGUS coz im pissed" doesn't qualify as a contribution by my standards, also i find ridiculous that after everyone bothered to explain what an OMGUS vote is and how it is an scumtell he could persevere on this behaviour, good noobs learn fast, the rest screw us with their obtuseness. Also according his claim, he might not be the ripper, but he surely is not pro-town, and if he is a jester i could prefer to get it over

Alfred Napier Blanchard

Blanchard, a 34 year old canvasser, who resided at 2 Rowland Grove, Rowland Road, Handsworth, was arrested in the Fox And Goose public house, Newton Row Aston, Birmingham, on 5 October 1888 after being overheard describing how he had committed the Whitechapel murders. According to the landlord of the Fox And Goose, Richard King, Blanchard entered the pub on Friday morning at about 11 o'clock and commenced drinking until quarter past 8 at night. He consumed about 5 and a half pints of beer. While in the pub, Blanchard struck up a conversation with the landlord and asked him what kind of detectives they had in Birmingham, the landlord replied that he believed them to be very clever men, to which Blanchard replied, 'It would be a funny thing if the Whitechapel murderer were to give himself up in Birmingham', before declaring, 'I am the Whitechapel murderer'. Someone asked him how he had done the murders without making the victims scream, to which he explained that this was done by simply placing the thumb and finger on the windpipe and cutting the throat with the right hand, he also claimed he had done six of them in London. Blanchard said to the landlord, 'you are a fool if you don't get the thousend pounds reward offered for me, You may have as well have it as anyone else'.

When he appeared in court he told the magistrates that after drinking heavily and reading about the murders he had became excited and claimed them as his own. After police inquires, it was proved he was in Manchester when the Whitechapel murders occurred, and had been there for some two months prior to his visit to Birmingham.

remember that the roles are given randomly. Statistically, benga could very well be town. However, on the off chance that he is one of the killers, accepting a noob defense now puts us on a slippery slope of accepting the same rationale later on. I want to hear a claim from benga before we decide whether to believe him. If he indeed is a killer, I could see him hide behind the noob defense if pressured later on if we allow him to skate with no information now.

QFT

Ahh I seem to have missed this post when I gave my brief description. As far as the Doom and Benga's cases. OMGus is scummy. there wasn't a good reason behind it. Benga voted him because he didn't see the case on himself. Doom is pretty much following the Modus Operandi he has for all day one games. I don't really like it but I also see absolutely no case with him as of yet. So neither case seems overly strong at this point and Benga's claim seems fairly believable so I am not really tempted to vote right now. Since my fever has broken, I'll probably reread at least the last few pages of this thread and see if I missed anything that stands out.

[benga]

If I get lynched it's cause only Mets understands me, not cause I am noob.

I still stand with what I have said, flores just voted me to take away attentions from mine FOSes and yes I was pissed at the time for various reasons.

The only thing I see is Neb whom I have FOSed, is backing up strongly flores defence.

[Nebuchadnezer]

If I get lynched it's cause only Mets understands me, not cause I am noob.

I still stand with what I have said, flores just voted me to take away attentions from mine FOSes and yes I was pissed at the time for various reasons.

The only thing I see is Neb whom I have FOSed, is backing up strongly flores defence.

Benga, have you given us everything about your role? Seems to me, there's more to your role than just plain VT.

You also never answered why you were breadcrumbing more than just a VT...

[strike wolf]

Alright. Nark asked me to post a vote count for him. Now apparently I still have my vote on my joke vote so I will remove that. Unvote New guy

Vote Count

Vote Count

Doomyoshi (3)-Ga7, Hotshot, Metsfanmax
Metsfanmax
Newguy1
Floresdelmal (1)-Benga
Benga (3)-Flores, Doomyoshi, New Guy1

I believe the lynch number is still 8 for the moment but it will be going down to 7 soon.

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To expand on what I already have written. I tend to believe Benga's claim though I also agree that more information is needed (The name claim is good but not unquestionable). I also find the Metsfanmax case that popped up and disappeared as pretty much non-existent. I can understand misreading something once (if it becomes a habit, I would take it more seriously but not for a one time occurrence) and if I had read that the day only lasted 24 hours, I believe I would have had a similar reaction.

There also seems to be quite a few who haven't voted yet (not including those who voted before roles were sent): Virus, Kratos, Safariguy5, Nagerous, gregwolf121 and Nebuchadnezer. Virus, Safari, Nag, Greg and Nebuchadnezer seem to be contributing fairly regularly to the game while Kratos seems to have some legitimate reasons for being absent. The one that gets me more than the others is Safari who seemed to give a fairly neutral agrees with the cases for the reasons already posted but will hold off on voting type of post. Hotshot made a similar type of post before reacting to Doom's assessment of the Benga case and putting pressure on Doom. This is all kind of difficult to say, Safari is one of the more patient players whether he is town or scum but so far his play is rubbing me the wrong way today.

[FloresDelMal]

omgus could be a noob mistake, granted, but i have seen nothing that could make him seem town, so are you just throwing this comment because IB and nag found your and neb behaviour scummy?
FOS DY

Did I totally skim where IB and Nag thought I was scummy?

sorry neb, i meant new guy, at least i got 2 letters right

[kratos644]

Had a little free time today so I've read up. Haven't seen anything overly scummy due to the things that would normally appear scummy not appearing as scummy when considering meta. I believe benga's claim. There usually seems to be some language barrier issues which leads to things that appear very OMGUS like. I would like the remainder of the information as well. If you're going to claim don't half do it. That's what gets people lynched

[DoomYoshi]

I thought I made a post here last night, I guess the web swallowed it. Sigh.

[DoomYoshi]

Er, nevermind, it's there lol.

Bring da pressure. I already told you who I was, but the clupes are hard to see.

[nagerous]

Er, nevermind, it's there lol.

Bring da pressure. I already told you who I was, but the clupes are hard to see.

Not sure what you're talking about but I am happy with you experiencing more pressure.

vote doomyoshi

We can do better than the benga lynch, his character is simply a red herring on who Jack The Ripper is, nothing more - possibly miller.

[benga]

Had a little free time today so I've read up. Haven't seen anything overly scummy due to the things that would normally appear scummy not appearing as scummy when considering meta. I believe benga's claim. There usually seems to be some language barrier issues which leads to things that appear very OMGUS like. I would like the remainder of the information as well. If you're going to claim don't half do it. That's what gets people lynched

I am not sure if it's wise for me to say it...all those forcing me to say feel very scummy to me

wish I had more experience that this...

but think my role is more important down the way

okay here goes: I get to vote 2 times, my 2nd vote will be marked as ? and I have now lost my ability for this and next day

at this point it seems to me that neb saf and flores are somehow in connection

neb and saf protecting flores and constantly forcing me the reveal myself

[Nebuchadnezer]

Had a little free time today so I've read up. Haven't seen anything overly scummy due to the things that would normally appear scummy not appearing as scummy when considering meta. I believe benga's claim. There usually seems to be some language barrier issues which leads to things that appear very OMGUS like. I would like the remainder of the information as well. If you're going to claim don't half do it. That's what gets people lynched

I am not sure if it's wise for me to say it...all those forcing me to say feel very scummy to me

wish I had more experience that this...

but think my role is more important down the way

okay here goes: I get to vote 2 times, my 2nd vote will be marked as ? and I have now lost my ability for this and next day

at this point it seems to me that neb saf and flores are somehow in connection

neb and saf protecting flores and constantly forcing me the reveal myself

You're new, so you'll learn...but there are very few instances where it is beneficial for town to LIE about their roles. I have not voted you because I do think your role is not mafia. However, I could tell that your original claim was crap. For you to think I am scummy because I smelled a half-claim is a little, well, stupid.

Also, there is a saying...LAL (Lynch All Liars)...meaning that if you lie, you have something to hide, which only scum have something to hide, therefore, the scummy action of lying means you are scum. I am not going to apply that here, but as a policy lynch, you've just given scum an easy way to wagon on to you, get a lynch, and claim they voted because of LAL. After all, if you lied once, why should we believe you aren't lying again, or won't in the future?

Moving on...

I'm fine with a Doom claim. Doom is such an odd player, that I can never get a read on whether he is scummy, or just erratic in his play. However, the momentum has swung his way, and he should probably claim before the count-down gets him killed.

[Metsfanmax]

You're new, so you'll learn...but there are very few instances where it is beneficial for town to LIE about their roles. I have not voted you because I do think your role is not mafia. However, I could tell that your original claim was crap. For you to think I am scummy because I smelled a half-claim is a little, well, stupid.

Also, there is a saying...LAL (Lynch All Liars)...meaning that if you lie, you have something to hide, which only scum have something to hide, therefore, the scummy action of lying means you are scum. I am not going to apply that here, but as a policy lynch, you've just given scum an easy way to wagon on to you, get a lynch, and claim they voted because of LAL. After all, if you lied once, why should we believe you aren't lying again, or won't in the future?

benga didn't lie. He never said he was VT or didn't have special abilities. The fact that you are calling it a lie is very scummy. If he later adds that he does have a special power, that doesn't make his original claim "crap."

[DoomYoshi]

Nobody's going to even try to figure out where I claimed already?

[Metsfanmax]

Nobody's going to even try to figure out where I claimed already?

If there's something you want us to know, it might be fruitful to tell us instead of obscuring information.

[Iron Butterfly]

Had a little free time today so I've read up. Haven't seen anything overly scummy due to the things that would normally appear scummy not appearing as scummy when considering meta. I believe benga's claim. There usually seems to be some language barrier issues which leads to things that appear very OMGUS like. I would like the remainder of the information as well. If you're going to claim don't half do it. That's what gets people lynched

I am not sure if it's wise for me to say it...all those forcing me to say feel very scummy to me

wish I had more experience that this...

but think my role is more important down the way

okay here goes: I get to vote 2 times, my 2nd vote will be marked as ? and I have now lost my ability for this and next day

at this point it seems to me that neb saf and flores are somehow in connection

neb and saf protecting flores and constantly forcing me the reveal myself

There are certain protocols that apply to mafia. One of the rules I live by, in this case a strong piece of advice, is that just because you are Town does not mean others will believe you are Town. Just because you believe something does not make it true. If several people seem to be ganging up on you it could equally mean they believe there is a strong chance you are scum, weather you are Town or not.

Your game play has dictated the suspicion thrown your way. The OMGUS vote was scummy, though in my eyes it was a newb act more then anything. Newb act or not it gives license to any player to throw suspicion your way. On day one the smallest of evidence can get one lynched. In your case you have made the small evidence larger.

You have made a ton of errors, there was no need to claim when you did but that is water under the bridge. stomping your feet and pointing at other players does not work well either. Many times people will push your buttons to see how you react. You did not react well to Flores.

Neb also brings up the point of lynch all liars. Normally that would also be fodder for a band wagon lynch. I had it happen to me my first game. I with held information and paid the price. I felt perfectly justified in withholding my info because I was Town and I had the best interests of Town.

OK enough of the lecture. You have been given a ton of lee way this game. Your next game you will not be given that benefit.

As far as Doom.

I believe his Brady Bunch speech was a clue. The only other thing i found cryptic in his remarks was when he made this comment to Benga. I am not sure if it was poor wording or one of the clues he mentions.

He asks Benga,"If you were to die tomorrow would you understand why you were lynched?" Perhaps I read to much into the die tommorow.

I think I know what your claiming Doom. Is your a reason you are playing it this way??

[kratos644]

You're new, so you'll learn...but there are very few instances where it is beneficial for town to LIE about their roles. I have not voted you because I do think your role is not mafia. However, I could tell that your original claim was crap. For you to think I am scummy because I smelled a half-claim is a little, well, stupid.

Also, there is a saying...LAL (Lynch All Liars)...meaning that if you lie, you have something to hide, which only scum have something to hide, therefore, the scummy action of lying means you are scum. I am not going to apply that here, but as a policy lynch, you've just given scum an easy way to wagon on to you, get a lynch, and claim they voted because of LAL. After all, if you lied once, why should we believe you aren't lying again, or won't in the future?

benga didn't lie. He never said he was VT or didn't have special abilities. The fact that you are calling it a lie is very scummy. If he later adds that he does have a special power, that doesn't make his original claim "crap."

His claim was basically claiming that he was a VT. He said he can vote and didn't act like he could do anything else

I am part of town, named Alfred Napier Blanchard and I get to vote.

My vote on flores stands, only thing he did in this game is voted me on nothing.

My other suspicions will need time to be confirmed.

[benga]

Had a little free time today so I've read up. Haven't seen anything overly scummy due to the things that would normally appear scummy not appearing as scummy when considering meta. I believe benga's claim. There usually seems to be some language barrier issues which leads to things that appear very OMGUS like. I would like the remainder of the information as well. If you're going to claim don't half do it. That's what gets people lynched

I am not sure if it's wise for me to say it...all those forcing me to say feel very scummy to me

wish I had more experience that this...

but think my role is more important down the way

okay here goes: I get to vote 2 times, my 2nd vote will be marked as ? and I have now lost my ability for this and next day

at this point it seems to me that neb saf and flores are somehow in connection

neb and saf protecting flores and constantly forcing me the reveal myself

You're new, so you'll learn...but there are very few instances where it is beneficial for town to LIE about their roles. I have not voted you because I do think your role is not mafia. However, I could tell that your original claim was crap. For you to think I am scummy because I smelled a half-claim is a little, well, stupid.

Also, there is a saying...LAL (Lynch All Liars)...meaning that if you lie, you have something to hide, which only scum have something to hide, therefore, the scummy action of lying means you are scum. I am not going to apply that here, but as a policy lynch, you've just given scum an easy way to wagon on to you, get a lynch, and claim they voted because of LAL. After all, if you lied once, why should we believe you aren't lying again, or won't in the future?

Moving on...

I'm fine with a Doom claim. Doom is such an odd player, that I can never get a read on whether he is scummy, or just erratic in his play. However, the momentum has swung his way, and he should probably claim before the count-down gets him killed.

so basically you are saying you voted me just to boot me off game? cause I am noob?

and calling me stupid for my vote, yet you want me lynched if my role isn't important, I say that's dumb and scummy to me.

I don't know how that doesn't feel scummy

[Metsfanmax]

You're new, so you'll learn...but there are very few instances where it is beneficial for town to LIE about their roles. I have not voted you because I do think your role is not mafia. However, I could tell that your original claim was crap. For you to think I am scummy because I smelled a half-claim is a little, well, stupid.

Also, there is a saying...LAL (Lynch All Liars)...meaning that if you lie, you have something to hide, which only scum have something to hide, therefore, the scummy action of lying means you are scum. I am not going to apply that here, but as a policy lynch, you've just given scum an easy way to wagon on to you, get a lynch, and claim they voted because of LAL. After all, if you lied once, why should we believe you aren't lying again, or won't in the future?

benga didn't lie. He never said he was VT or didn't have special abilities. The fact that you are calling it a lie is very scummy. If he later adds that he does have a special power, that doesn't make his original claim "crap."

His claim was basically claiming that he was a VT. He said he can vote and didn't act like he could do anything else

I am part of town, named Alfred Napier Blanchard and I get to vote.

My vote on flores stands, only thing he did in this game is voted me on nothing.

My other suspicions will need time to be confirmed.

He can't do anything else, according to his more full claim. He just gets to vote more times than the rest of us. So nothing in his statement was untrue. And it makes total sense why he wouldn't reveal such a power, since that would just make him a potential scum target. Of course, he didn't really need to claim at this point, so maybe the whole thing really is newb gameplay.

[benga]

There were just couple of people starting to prepare the rope, from what I can tell, my role isn't as important now as it will be later, but with all fuss around me it was matter of time when I will get killed/lynched, so revealing me now doesn't hurt town, for now at least.

[DoomYoshi]

Voting roles are one of the toughest you can play. By the time you figure out how to use it, it will be too late.

I am playing it this way IB, as that is the standard way I would play a role. I did not ask for the immediate attention, and I would be glad to progress elsewhere.

@metsfan: it was a truthful claim, and among a more experienced player it would be a clear "smart-assery".

unvote

Why does nag bring up the possibility of miller? Mafia framer set-up?

Here's what I really don't get though. I thought benga rather clearly claimed VT. Neb (and then Strike) didn't buy it. What's up with that? How did you guys know he didn't tell the whole role? Flavor spec, why would a drunkard get more votes?

[HotShot53]

sorry for being a newbie here.... but what is a miller?

[Anarkistsdream]

I don't have access to a pc until tomorrow morning at my office... so sorry I have been a bit absent. The weather in the south U.S. has been terrible. Willcatch up and prod and all that tomorrow

[strike wolf]

I wasn't ruling out VT though I do not remember if there was anything even said about whether this game even had any, I just felt that even if it was and that's what he meant than he needed to say so more clearly. There are times for half claims. If your name claim is strong, what you do reveal about your role contains evidence that supports your identity sufficiently to ward off accusation, etc. than you shouldn't be forced to reveal everything about your role but this wasn't any situation like that. It was my impression that half claiming in this scenario was hurting Benga more than it was helping.

[Nebuchadnezer]

benga didn't lie. He never said he was VT or didn't have special abilities. The fact that you are calling it a lie is very scummy. If he later adds that he does have a special power, that doesn't make his original claim "crap."

Semantics, Metsfanmax...lie by omission is what I consider this...call it half truth, if you makes you feel better. Either way, he mislead on his claim. Quite honestly, I was thinking he is a Miller...but I'm not sure if Millers know they are Millers.

Also, based on his posts, I was expecting a totally different claim…

Spoiler

I was pissed at the time by his reason and other stuff...

not sure if he jumped in protection, need more time to investigate

I am part of town, named Alfred Napier Blanchard and I get to vote.

My vote on flores stands, only thing he did in this game is voted me on nothing.

My other suspicions will need time to be confirmed.

Perhaps I read too far into this, but I was expecting an investigative role.

so basically you are saying you voted me just to boot me off game? cause I am noob?

and calling me stupid for my vote, yet you want me lynched if my role isn't important, I say that's dumb and scummy to me.

I don't know how that doesn't feel scummy

Benga. You are frustrating me. I HAVE NOT VOTED FOR YOU! QUIT SAYING THAT I HAVE. I also have not lobbied for your lynch at all...in fact, I've given quite a bit of leeway...more than I would give any other player had they pulled all the posts you have. Please move on, so this doesn't turn into a distraction.

Doom...you are being very obscure. I could only get day cop or governor as a possibility. You never cease to confuse me.