gay - is it ok?

[Guiscard]

Like you said Guiscard, do we not treat anorexics because they don't think they're ill?

Exactly. Thats why its so important that we have proven Homosexuality isn't a neurosis.

[MeDeFe]

However, there are measurable changes in the physical state (health) of anorexic persons. These changes can objectively be deemed as for the worse.

[b.k. barunt]

Like you said Guiscard, do we not treat anorexics because they don't think they're ill?

Exactly. Thats why its so important that we have proven Homosexuality isn't a neurosis.

There you go making the leap of faith again - this has not been "proven" any more than the "theory" of evolution, which you also accept as proven fact.

[Snorri1234]

Like you said Guiscard, do we not treat anorexics because they don't think they're ill?

Exactly. Thats why its so important that we have proven Homosexuality isn't a neurosis.

There you go making the leap of faith again - this has not been "proven" any more than the "theory" of evolution, which you also accept as proven fact.

Hehehehehehe. Yes it has. (Evolution that is.)

[Guiscard]

Like you said Guiscard, do we not treat anorexics because they don't think they're ill?

Exactly. Thats why its so important that we have proven Homosexuality isn't a neurosis.

There you go making the leap of faith again - this has not been "proven" any more than the "theory" of evolution, which you also accept as proven fact.

In what sense hasn't it been proven in any sense of the word acceptable in psychology? Experiments which have been successfully replicated have proven homosexuals can function in society in exactly the same way as heterosexuals. Experiments which have been successfully replicated show that there is no increased risk of adult sexual abuse or child abuse.

Stop hanging onto past bugbears. We all get bad teachers sometimes.

[b.k. barunt]

Masters and Johnson submitted in their widely respected 2004 Referendum On Homosexuality that such "experiments" as you are now quoting, such as "does not increase the risk of child molestation", are absurd, in that you are taking the word of the study subjects. Homosexuals who take part in these "studies" are somewhat biased, and are not necessarily going to volunteer information that would put their preferred lifestyle in a bad light.

I worked in a clinic for over a year, where i counseled people for substance abuse (no i didn't smoke pot while i was doing it). 11 of the clients that i counseled were gay, and every one of them had been "introduced" to it before they even reached puberty by adults. I realize that this was a more neurotic cross section of the population that i worked with, but to say that there is not more prevalence among gays than straights in child molesting is ridiculous, and very much debated within the scientific community, yet you have somehow googled info that shows the opposite. Interesting.

[jay_a2j]

People aren't allowed to disagree with someone else's lifestyle? or else they are a bad person or a bigot or so on and so forth? I don't think there is anything wrong with someone if they don't like homosexuality. I do believe it is wrong to discriminate against gays, or hate crimes. But it is equally wrong to discriminate against someone for not agreeing with you.

It's okay to be racist.

"I hate you because you're black" or "I hate you because you hate blacks" is there a difference? Hate is hate.


Now, just because a person disagrees with homosexuality being a "normal" lifestyle, does not mean that they hate homosexuals. But can we have an opinion? Or must we fall in line with what is "politically correct"?

So then its ok for us to disagree with religion in schools?

Yes. But that shouldn't stop it any more then being "anti-gay" stops that.

[mr. incrediball]

that poll stumped me.

i feel the same around gays as i do around everyone else.

problem is i feel uneasy around everyone i don't talk to often.

[b.k. barunt]

To be perfectly honest, people from the religious right piss me off more than gays. Go figure.


Honibaz

[mr. incrediball]

To be perfectly honest, people from the religious right piss me off more than gays. Go figure.


Honibaz

QFT

[muy_thaiguy]

To be perfectly honest, people from the religious right piss me off more than gays. Go figure.


Honibaz

I'm having de ja vu here....

Oh yeah, I remeber getting into a little argument with you about this, but that was awhile ago.

[hecter]

Masters and Johnson submitted in their widely respected 2004 Referendum On Homosexuality that such "experiments" as you are now quoting, such as "does not increase the risk of child molestation", are absurd, in that you are taking the word of the study subjects. Homosexuals who take part in these "studies" are somewhat biased, and are not necessarily going to volunteer information that would put their preferred lifestyle in a bad light.

I worked in a clinic for over a year, where i counseled people for substance abuse (no i didn't smoke pot while i was doing it). 11 of the clients that i counseled were gay, and every one of them had been "introduced" to it before they even reached puberty by adults. I realize that this was a more neurotic cross section of the population that i worked with, but to say that there is not more prevalence among gays than straights in child molesting is ridiculous, and very much debated within the scientific community, yet you have somehow googled info that shows the opposite. Interesting.

If you were abused as a child, wouldn't you do drugs too? It's less of a matter of "the touching made me gay" as it was "the touching made me do drugs and end up with you. O, I'm also gay". All the gay people I know were never ever "introduced to it" by an adult before the age of puberty.

[Anarkistsdream]

My brother is gay and neither one of us was ever sexually abused, so I also think that is a bogus bunch of bullshit.

[Guiscard]

My brother is gay and neither one of us was ever sexually abused, so I also think that is a bogus bunch of bullshit.

Its not abuse if you like it, eh?

[Anarkistsdream]

My brother is gay and neither one of us was ever sexually abused, so I also think that is a bogus bunch of bullshit.

Its not abuse if you like it, eh?

I would expect that comment from the young'ins, but not from you, Guis.

[Guiscard]

My brother is gay and neither one of us was ever sexually abused, so I also think that is a bogus bunch of bullshit.

Its not abuse if you like it, eh?

I would expect that comment from the young'ins, but not from you, Guis.

[unriggable]

To be perfectly honest, people from the religious right piss me off more than gays. Go figure.


Honibaz

They piss off everybody, even each other. Go figure.

[b.k. barunt]

My brother is gay and neither one of us was ever sexually abused, so I also think that is a bogus bunch of bullshit.

Its not abuse if you like it, eh?

Actually this is closer to the truth. Notice that i didn't say they were "abused" - i said "introduced", and only one of the 11 that i counseled had bad memories of the introduction. It was more of a seemingly innocent "playtime". This is not something that i googled, but something that i got firsthand in interviews.

[Anarkistsdream]

My brother is gay and neither one of us was ever sexually abused, so I also think that is a bogus bunch of bullshit.

Its not abuse if you like it, eh?

Actually this is closer to the truth. Notice that i didn't say they were abused - i said "introduced, and only one of the 11 that i counseled had bad memories of the introduction. It was more of a seemingly innocent "playtime". This is not something that i googled, but something that i got firsthand in interviews.

Well, I've grown up first hand with many gays due to my brother and they all say that they experimented with people their own age, and that it started no earlier than boys were kissing girls. Around 12-13.

[satanspaladin]

I must say i find it hard to understand why homosexuality is of any interest to
none homosexuals ,as i find it of no interest what so ever in how heterosexuals have fun in a sexual way .

As to whether its a birth condition or a social conditioning that gives a person the sexual attraction
to a person of the same sex, its a personal view but my parents were just your average heterosexual
couple and there life style did not make me heterosexual and none of my friends in school were openly lesbian but i am ,so for me its a genetic condition.

As to whether you thinks its a sin or not that's up to every one own consciences.

[Backglass]

I must say i find it hard to understand why homosexuality is of any interest to none homosexuals

I do as well. It certainly angers and terrify some people that is for sure. The fact that people feel uncomfortable around a homosexual is also very odd...why the fear? It's not like they are going to attack & anally rape you in the workplace or supermarket.

I was asked out for drinks with a wink by a gay man once in Manhattan while taking some Microsoft courses (he was the instructor). Did I freak out & punch him or run screaming from the room? No...I just smiled and said "No thanks, I have to get home to my wife" and let it go at that. It didn't bother me a bit...Homosexuality isn't contagious.

Besides, if you go by the news, the ones that yell & denounce homosexuality the loudest always seem to be the ones getting caught having an encounter in the highway rest area bathroom.

[freezie]

I must say i find it hard to understand why homosexuality is of any interest to
none homosexuals ,as i find it of no interest what so ever in how heterosexuals have fun in a sexual way.

Couldn't agree better. Who care? It's none business other than the persons involved.

As to whether you thinks its a sin or not that's up to every one own consciences.

Rethorical question for everyone..What if a christian finds out at a later age ( still young, but you udnerstand anyway ) that he/she is attracted to persons of the same gender?

Now, a few christians I have spoke with told me it was reliously unnaceptable. But if they are christian and find that out, how exactly will they react?

[Anarkistsdream]

Watch The Real World Denver to find that out...

Really religious kid, his mother was really religious. When he came out to her, she kicked him out...

[freezie]

Watch The Real World Denver to find that out...

Really religious kid, his mother was really religious. When he came out to her, she kicked him out...

Well, that's harsh..


And hmm..I live in a hole called Québec. Maybe I don't have acess to that film, sadly.

[Anarkistsdream]

You don't have The Real World... From MTV?