Koran burning will endanger US lives: Petraeus

[PLAYER57832]

They won't let me watch it from there in Canuckistan.

Long story short: The pastor believes that moderate Muslims should, and will be on board of their koran burning, since it is the extremists, their act is meant to admonish.

The interviewer says its silly. His defense; "No, its not silly." I took that to mean he was senile and delusional, but in his defense, he really could just be that stupid. Either way, I think its clear he's past education. Anyone that listens to him, by default, is really just as crazy or stupid.

He is stupid, of course. While I don't consider Bible burning worthy of lynching, or even jail time/fines(provided there is no other violance or damage), I am offended by it. Moslems hold their K'ran itself as sacred in ways most Christians don't view the physical Bible itself (we hold the words themselves, not the paper with words as sacred).

At least hes just burning books. God knows what a psycho like this might do with a little more power. Luckily, his ability is limited to burning paper with fire. Clearly, understanding whats written on it has long since left his abilities, assuming its the Bible he preaches from every Sunday.

We have to remember what was happening down south 50, 60 years ago. In that context burning mere books IS definitely an improvement! And, this time, it was a small congregation of less than 50 people, looked down upon by the rest of the community. That very much is progress!

What we need to do here is continue to support moderate Moslems, combate those in this country who keep insisting that Islam is simply a religion of hatred (in a way that other religions are not). We will NEVER defeat Islam through arms or force. But, we can ensure that the good elements flourish. Then we can begin a reasonable dialogue on all things important.

There was a time, are still places, where Roman Catholics and Protestants fight, where kids cannot play together and neighbors don't wish to live side by side with those of the other group, but they are few and far between now. Islam is still undergoing that same transition. We need to help, not hinder the progression. THEN we will all truly win!

This is precisely why I am more and more feeling that there could be no greater tribute to 9-11 than to allow a moderate Moslem congregation to build a community center, one intended to serve the community much like many Christian and Jewish centers already do. We are a nation of tolerance. When one of us is harmed for their religious beliefs, targeted because others dislike them (and not harmful actions, but beliefs), then we ALL are harmed.

[AAFitz]

They won't let me watch it from there in Canuckistan.

Long story short: The pastor believes that moderate Muslims should, and will be on board of their koran burning, since it is the extremists, their act is meant to admonish.

The interviewer says its silly. His defense; "No, its not silly." I took that to mean he was senile and delusional, but in his defense, he really could just be that stupid. Either way, I think its clear he's past education. Anyone that listens to him, by default, is really just as crazy or stupid.

He is stupid, of course. While I don't consider Bible burning worthy of lynching, or even jail time/fines(provided there is no other violance or damage), I am offended by it. Moslems hold their K'ran itself as sacred in ways most Christians don't view the physical Bible itself (we hold the words themselves, not the paper with words as sacred).

At least hes just burning books. God knows what a psycho like this might do with a little more power. Luckily, his ability is limited to burning paper with fire. Clearly, understanding whats written on it has long since left his abilities, assuming its the Bible he preaches from every Sunday.

We have to remember what was happening down south 50, 60 years ago. In that context burning mere books IS definitely an improvement! And, this time, it was a small congregation of less than 50 people, looked down upon by the rest of the community. That very much is progress!

What we need to do here is continue to support moderate Moslems, combate those in this country who keep insisting that Islam is simply a religion of hatred (in a way that other religions are not). We will NEVER defeat Islam through arms or force. But, we can ensure that the good elements flourish. Then we can begin a reasonable dialogue on all things important.

There was a time, are still places, where Roman Catholics and Protestants fight, where kids cannot play together and neighbors don't wish to live side by side with those of the other group, but they are few and far between now. Islam is still undergoing that same transition. We need to help, not hinder the progression. THEN we will all truly win!

This is precisely why I am more and more feeling that there could be no greater tribute to 9-11 than to allow a moderate Moslem congregation to build a community center, one intended to serve the community much like many Christian and Jewish centers already do. We are a nation of tolerance. When one of us is harmed for their religious beliefs, targeted because others dislike them (and not harmful actions, but beliefs), then we ALL are harmed.

I agree, though I admit I threw that word stupid and crazy and delusional out there as personal insults against someone I disagreed with, and in an effort to admonish someone for essentially doing the same, from a certain point of view. Hypocricy knows no bounds.

I also agree that he has his right to burn those books as a statement, and it is at least helpful to see the outrage against the act. Further, I fully agree that as I defend his right to burn his books, those who want to build their building on privately owned land, are clearly within their rights to do so as well. If the objective really is to make the world a better place, then clearly all religions and people must work together to build bridges between the groups, and not burn them, as we clearly seem to be much better at.

[saxitoxin]

Moslems hold their K'ran

I've been wondering why PlayerScientist spells Muslim as Moslem. My guess was (1) she didn't know how to spell, or, (2) she was under the mistaken impression that Moslem was an academic spelling and, being a scientist, though it best to use that one.

But it makes sense now. It's a simple case of anti-diversity hatemongering.

People refer to themselves as Muslim. Many regard Moslem as a term of abuse.

http://www.communities.gov.uk/documents ... 151921.pdf

[AAFitz]

Moslems hold their K'ran

I've been wondering why PlayerScientist spells Muslim as Moslem. My guess was (1) she didn't know how to spell, or, (2) she was under the mistaken impression that Moslem was an academic spelling and, being a scientist, though it best to use that one.

But it makes sense now. It's a simple case of anti-diversity hatemongering.

People refer to themselves as Muslim. Many regard Moslem as a term of abuse.

http://www.communities.gov.uk/documents ... 151921.pdf

It does seem the use of the word Moslem is on the way out, because Muslim is the closer of the two translations, but either is correct, and I saw not one that suggested offense in US English, and yours is from the UK, with a little labour, you will find some differences between the two. That being said, since its on its way out anyways, and its a closer translation, the word muslim probably should be the one used, to avoid any possible offense, if not simply to provide uniformity.

[saxitoxin]

Moslems hold their K'ran

I've been wondering why PlayerScientist spells Muslim as Moslem. My guess was (1) she didn't know how to spell, or, (2) she was under the mistaken impression that Moslem was an academic spelling and, being a scientist, though it best to use that one.

But it makes sense now. It's a simple case of anti-diversity hatemongering.

People refer to themselves as Muslim. Many regard Moslem as a term of abuse.

http://www.communities.gov.uk/documents ... 151921.pdf

It does seem the use of the word Moslem is on the way out, because Muslim is the closer of the two translations, but either is correct, and I saw not one that suggested offense in US English, and yours is from the UK, with a little labour, you will find some differences between the two. That being said, since its on its way out anyways, and its a closer translation, the word muslim probably should be the one used, to avoid any possible offense, if not simply to provide uniformity.

Negro is also, technically correct. That doesn't make it okay for the Scientist to say:

Negroes like jazz and when you play a straight note on the first eighth, negroes could get offended.

[tzor]

Moslems hold their K'ran

I've been wondering why PlayerScientist spells Muslim as Moslem.

We need to consult the "Good Book" on this one

Usage: usually capitalized
variant of MUSLIM

TOUCHDOWN, and the EXTRA POINT IS GOOD

Player 7 ... Saxi 0

(It is football season you know.)

[saxitoxin]

Moslems hold their K'ran

I've been wondering why PlayerScientist spells Muslim as Moslem.

We need to consult the "Good Book" on this one

Usage: usually capitalized
variant of MUSLIM

Negro is also, technically correct. That doesn't make it okay for the Scientist to say:

Negroes like jazz and when you play a straight note on the first eighth, negroes could get offended.

People refer to themselves as Muslim. Many regard Moslem as a term of abuse.
http://www.communities.gov.uk/documents ... 151921.pdf

[tzor]

f*ck THE UK. WE ARE AERICAN, WE AMERICANS SPEAK AMERICAN. THE UK IS A POLITICALLY CORRECT FREE SPEECH OPPRESSING STATE!

[saxitoxin]

WE ARE AERICAN, WE AMERICANS SPEAK AMERICAN.

do you?

[tzor]

WE ARE AERICAN, WE AMERICANS SPEAK AMERICAN.

do you?

WE DO, but we type worth shit.

[AAFitz]

Moslems hold their K'ran

I've been wondering why PlayerScientist spells Muslim as Moslem. My guess was (1) she didn't know how to spell, or, (2) she was under the mistaken impression that Moslem was an academic spelling and, being a scientist, though it best to use that one.

But it makes sense now. It's a simple case of anti-diversity hatemongering.

People refer to themselves as Muslim. Many regard Moslem as a term of abuse.

http://www.communities.gov.uk/documents ... 151921.pdf

It does seem the use of the word Moslem is on the way out, because Muslim is the closer of the two translations, but either is correct, and I saw not one that suggested offense in US English, and yours is from the UK, with a little labour, you will find some differences between the two. That being said, since its on its way out anyways, and its a closer translation, the word muslim probably should be the one used, to avoid any possible offense, if not simply to provide uniformity.

Negro is also, technically correct. That doesn't make it okay for the Scientist to say:

Negroes like jazz and when you play a straight note on the first eighth, negroes could get offended.

No, and the exact reason why I suggested that muslim should be the one used to avoid any possible offense.
FFS, I dont expect everyone reads every word I write, but since that was just a paragraph long....

but again, I saw nothing, not to say they dont exist, on a US site that suggested it was offensive at all. Some words in the UK are without a doubt seen as more offensive than they are in the US, and vice versa. But either way as I said, we should convert to muslim....

LOL...convert to using the word muslim.

[saxitoxin]

Moslems hold their K'ran

I've been wondering why PlayerScientist spells Muslim as Moslem. My guess was (1) she didn't know how to spell, or, (2) she was under the mistaken impression that Moslem was an academic spelling and, being a scientist, though it best to use that one.

But it makes sense now. It's a simple case of anti-diversity hatemongering.

People refer to themselves as Muslim. Many regard Moslem as a term of abuse.

http://www.communities.gov.uk/documents ... 151921.pdf

It does seem the use of the word Moslem is on the way out, because Muslim is the closer of the two translations, but either is correct, and I saw not one that suggested offense in US English, and yours is from the UK, with a little labour, you will find some differences between the two. That being said, since its on its way out anyways, and its a closer translation, the word muslim probably should be the one used, to avoid any possible offense, if not simply to provide uniformity.

Negro is also, technically correct. That doesn't make it okay for the Scientist to say:

Negroes like jazz and when you play a straight note on the first eighth, negroes could get offended.

No, and the exact reason why I suggested that muslim should be the one used to avoid any possible offense.
FFS, I dont expect everyone reads every word I write, but since that was just a paragraph long....

but again, I saw nothing, not to say they dont exist, on a US site that suggested it was offensive at all. Some words in the UK are without a doubt seen as more offensive than they are in the US. But either way as I said, we should convert to muslim.

I have never seen any American, other than PlayerScientist or after the 1960's, spell Muslim as Moslem. She obviously did it with intent. Call a spade a spade.

[AAFitz]

I have never seen any American, other than PlayerScientist or after the 1960's, spell Muslim as Moslem. She obviously did it with intent.

I have never seen any American other than you or after the 1960's, use the word Negro. You obviously did it with intent. Especially given your use of the stereotypical jazz band reference, you trolling racist.

Nice, you added the spade comment after ward, further confirming my statement.

Call a spade a spade.

I just did:

you trolling racist.

[saxitoxin]

ROOOOAAAAARRRR!!! ANGRY!

'k, hon

[AAFitz]

ROOOOAAAAARRRR!!! ANGRY!

'k, hon

The word you were looking for was "Mercy"

[BigBallinStalin]

Saxi's made a good point and even provided a relevant and equivalent example, so yelling at him or smothering his intent with weak accusations of trolling probably can be deemed as trolling as well.

Saxi, you're doing a great job standing up to such trolling activities from AAFitz! Keep up the good work!

[Metsfanmax]

Saxi's made a good point and even provided a relevant and equivalent example, so yelling at him or smothering his intent with weak accusations of trolling probably can be deemed as trolling as well.

Saxi, you're doing a great job standing up to such trolling activities from AAFitz! Keep up the good work!

Relevant and equivalent is a bit of a stretch. Moslem is an alternate spelling of Muslim, as opposed to the example he gave.

[saxitoxin]

Relevant and equivalent is a bit of a stretch. Moslem is an alternate spelling of Muslim, as opposed to the example he gave.

People refer to themselves as Muslim. Many regard Moslem as a term of abuse.
http://www.communities.gov.uk/documents ... 151921.pdf

[Woodruff]

I have never seen any American, other than PlayerScientist or after the 1960's, spell Muslim as Moslem. She obviously did it with intent. Call a spade a spade.

I grew up with the term Moslem, rather than Muslim. It was used in exactly the same context that Muslim is used today. I have not once (until today in reading Saxi's URL) heard or seen it used as a pejorative.

[saxitoxin]

I have never seen any American, other than PlayerScientist or after the 1960's, spell Muslim as Moslem. She obviously did it with intent. Call a spade a spade.

I grew up with the term Moslem, rather than Muslim.

I have never seen any American, other than PlayerScientist or after the 1960's, spell Muslim as Moslem.

[Metsfanmax]

People refer to themselves as Muslim. Many regard Moslem as a term of abuse.
http://www.communities.gov.uk/documents ... 151921.pdf

I didn't say it wasn't offensive. I said it was not equivalent to the usage you gave, which is the use of a totally different word to describe a group of people, rather than the use of an alternate spelling of the commonly used word. How Muslims themselves feel about the usage is irrelevant to the question of whether the two situations are equivalent.

[saxitoxin]

People refer to themselves as Muslim. Many regard Moslem as a term of abuse.
http://www.communities.gov.uk/documents ... 151921.pdf

I didn't say it wasn't offensive. I said it was not equivalent to the usage you gave, which is the use of a totally different word to describe a group of people, rather than the use of an alternate spelling of the commonly used word. How Muslims themselves feel about the usage is irrelevant to the question of whether the two situations are equivalent.

incorrect

[Woodruff]

I have never seen any American, other than PlayerScientist or after the 1960's, spell Muslim as Moslem. She obviously did it with intent. Call a spade a spade.

I grew up with the term Moslem, rather than Muslim.

I have never seen any American, other than PlayerScientist or after the 1960's, spell Muslim as Moslem.

I'm not as old as you seem to believe I am. I graduated high school in 1985.

[AAFitz]

Saxi's made a good point and even provided a relevant and equivalent example, so yelling at him or smothering his intent with weak accusations of trolling probably can be deemed as trolling as well.

Saxi, you're doing a great job standing up to such trolling activities from AAFitz! Keep up the good work!

By trolling activities do you mean the activity to expressly agreeing with him and posting it clearly and explicitly?

Or the part where I call out his purposeful use of african american stereotypes for fun, or his blatant use of the word spade as the racism that it clearly is?

If thats trolling, than I AAFitz, am indeed a troll.

[saxitoxin]

I have never seen any American, other than PlayerScientist or after the 1960's, spell Muslim as Moslem. She obviously did it with intent. Call a spade a spade.

I grew up with the term Moslem, rather than Muslim.

I have never seen any American, other than PlayerScientist or after the 1960's, spell Muslim as Moslem.

I'm not as old as you seem to believe I am. I graduated high school in 1985.

I don't believe it. You're way too crotchety.