[CC2] Semi Finals THOTA vs.TSM [TIE-BREAK 3-4] TSM wins

[jackal31]

Stalin is getting really interesting.....seems to be one of the best war games in a while. I think its the best game when two great teams clash and as code put it, when a mistake is made, it will determine who comes away with it. Great play from both sides thus far!!!

It also appears CCC is in the same boat... fantastic game there too!

[firstholliday]

Stalin is getting really interesting.....seems to be one of the best war games in a while. I think its the best game when two great teams clash and as code put it, when a mistake is made, it will determine who comes away with it. Great play from both sides thus far!!!

It also appears CCC is in the same boat... fantastic game there too!

agreed

[Frop]

[jackal31]

3 games left from the first two sets.....things are tightening up a bit.

[skillfull]

Stalin is getting really interesting.....seems to be one of the best war games in a while. I think its the best game when two great teams clash and as code put it, when a mistake is made, it will determine who comes away with it. Great play from both sides thus far!!!

It also appears CCC is in the same boat... fantastic game there too!

Tell me about it!

[Georgerx7di]

3 games left from the first two sets.....things are tightening up a bit.

I thought rail was a sure win, but its starting to scare me a little, I don't want it to turn into another cairns. Cairns and stalingrad might go to you guys, could be 22-18. I hope we get a little luck in one of those, 23-17 would make me feel sooooo much better : P Well, either way it should be a fun final round, gl guys : )

[jalen45]

who the hell is "the pack"? never heard of them, must be new and annoying from what i see here. no need to read any further.

anything to get attention i guess. must be a 15 and under clan.

anyway back to topic in the TSM THOTA thread - gl to thota in final set. should be close.

[Denise]

must be a 15 and under clan.

You're talking about their age, right?

[laughingcavalier]

Game 9843510 bamboo jack
Commander broke the 12 hour foggy rule.
Let's hear what you took & what we can't see.

[laughingcavalier]

Stalin is getting really interesting.....seems to be one of the best war games in a while. I think its the best game when two great teams clash and as code put it, when a mistake is made, it will determine who comes away with it. Great play from both sides thus far!!!

It also appears CCC is in the same boat... fantastic game there too!

agreed

Disagreed.
No doubt you guys are playing very well & the momentum is with you now after we took the first set.
But I read those games differently. You have got leads in both those games & I wouldn't want the world to think it's down to our mistakes. Stalingrad you dropped 1 bonus & took 2 more on the first turn, plus you had a couple of big favourable factors in the drop. From before we played, we knew we needed luck as well as skill to turn that if you played it right. We very nearly came back, it didn't quite work out.
And cairns has been one of the most frustrating games I've ever played - we were nearly 20 armies up & dropping more than you every turn .... and lost roll after roll. No doubt you guys played a great defence in that one, but it was the fortunes of war who were your ally not mistakes from us.

[Frop]

[firstholliday]

Make bamboo again please , we have no snapshot. Follow the rules.

Not again guys.

[jackal31]

please guys....lets not get in a tiff here.....I know as well it shouldnt have happened.

As far as the two games in question, youre starting to say we are lucky to be in the position we are in. I dont see it that way as Stalin, especially, is very difficult to control any bonuses since there are so many bombing spots. Either way, its arguable, but still good games.

[firstholliday]

Those games are ok thats risk. BUT

Make bamboo again please , we have no snapshot. Follow the rules.

Not again guys.

[Leehar]

Those games are ok thats risk. BUT

Make bamboo again please , we have no snapshot. Follow the rules.

Not again guys.

Why are you so vehement in asking for game recreation fh?

FoW rule

Fog Rule:

If the second team to join a foggy game also gets the first turn, they must hold their attack for 12 hours or until a member of the opposing team announces that they have taken their snapshot. Should that team accidentally break this agreement, then they will give all relevant information to their opponents in the game chat. eg. territories taken during the first turn, plus the owners of any other territory thrown into the fog as a result of the attack (Note that this does not necessarily include attack information).

The rule can be ignored, if the following conditions are met;

a) No borders are shared by both teams at the start, such as Poland, Feudal, AoR, Woodboro etc.

b) If there is no intent to attack an enemy position, but to only drop, fort and leave, then the turn may be taken.

In short, the turn may be taken, if the enemy will not be losing a territory and are still able to see the map as it was on the original setup.


Once the second team to play, have their snap, they will announce it in the chat, so that the game can commence.

A breach of the rule will NOT result in the game being forfeited, unless; on game completion (when the fog is lifted), it shows that the information given, was incorrect.

It is also good practice (not obligatory), to have any clan member leave a reminder of the rule in the gamechat, once they see the game has started. Plus, for the clan leader to post a reminder on the clan forum.

Also, if the game is part of a tournament (created with privs), “12hr” could be included in the gaming label, eg “Home games, batch 2, 12hr rule applies”.

Com did say: 2011-10-10 10:21:52 - Commander62890: I took Sao Yok and Tamadju. Tennaserim is mine (red).

What else do you need? (unless he didn't tell about other terr. he possibly had surrounding it?)

[Georgerx7di]

Those games are ok thats risk. BUT

Make bamboo again please , we have no snapshot. Follow the rules.

Not again guys.

Why are you so vehement in asking for game recreation fh?

FoW rule

Fog Rule:

If the second team to join a foggy game also gets the first turn, they must hold their attack for 12 hours or until a member of the opposing team announces that they have taken their snapshot. Should that team accidentally break this agreement, then they will give all relevant information to their opponents in the game chat. eg. territories taken during the first turn, plus the owners of any other territory thrown into the fog as a result of the attack (Note that this does not necessarily include attack information).

The rule can be ignored, if the following conditions are met;

a) No borders are shared by both teams at the start, such as Poland, Feudal, AoR, Woodboro etc.

b) If there is no intent to attack an enemy position, but to only drop, fort and leave, then the turn may be taken.

In short, the turn may be taken, if the enemy will not be losing a territory and are still able to see the map as it was on the original setup.


Once the second team to play, have their snap, they will announce it in the chat, so that the game can commence.

A breach of the rule will NOT result in the game being forfeited, unless; on game completion (when the fog is lifted), it shows that the information given, was incorrect.

It is also good practice (not obligatory), to have any clan member leave a reminder of the rule in the gamechat, once they see the game has started. Plus, for the clan leader to post a reminder on the clan forum.

Also, if the game is part of a tournament (created with privs), “12hr” could be included in the gaming label, eg “Home games, batch 2, 12hr rule applies”.

Com did say: 2011-10-10 10:21:52 - Commander62890: I took Sao Yok and Tamadju. Tennaserim is mine (red).

What else do you need? (unless he didn't tell about other terr. he possibly had surrounding it?)

I will try to give a productive response. This rule is irritating, and causes problems like this. CC should look at implementing some sort of automatic snapshot for both sides as soon as the game starts. Or allow teams to take snapshots for eachother, although that would still mean that the team that goes first would have to remember to snap before playing.

[firstholliday]

coz it allways happens on 1 side. we want this as fair as possible. To say sorry is 1 thing. Just make a new game and all is ok.
+ it's irritating why have a rule that can be bend coz there is no penalty.
So monki's take ALL turns in the future and tell enemy's what they did.


That would be a puzzle....

[firstholliday]

everybody can make a mistake. and i think the 'sorry' is a serious one.
so make a new game and all is good.

whats the problem?

[firstholliday]

got this thrue pm by leehar...
don't know why it's a pm but ok, i'll post here.

Big , blitz just say it was an mistake, and if monki's want another game it's fine.
Don't need the CC's rules. Here is Leehars pm to me.
Sorry leehar i don't wanna copy paste everywhere we can have a discussion here.

pm;


Re: [CC2] Semi Finals THOTA vs.TSM [16-21 of 60]
Sent: Mon Oct 10, 2011 3:56 pm
From: Leehar
To: firstholliday

Subject: [CC2] Semi Finals THOTA vs.TSM [16-21 of 60]

firstholliday wrote:
everybody can make a mistake. and i think the 'sorry' is a serious one.
so make a new game and all is good.

whats the problem?
Won't it make a problem for the cd's etc if a game has started that you want to void it later so it's gonna mess up the calc's with privies etc. Also, I'm sure it's not the class, but you could just want the retake because you had a bad drop or something.
And then I don't really think it's fair either to arbitrarily suggest a new procedure for when the mistake happens. If you truly felt that re-creating a game was the way to resolve such things, then it's something to bring up at the beginning of the war or tourney, but now that the rule has been up for so long, it doesn't really make sense to just change it, even if what you suggest is a valid move - it's unlikely most would agree.
If you still think game re-creation is the way to go, then you can suggest it to the cla tho.

[skillfull]

If i was the guy who did that mistake i would do the same as comm did.Write my deployment and name the regions i Hide with my attack.
BUT, if there would have been a player from the other team who would demanded a restart then I would do it, believe it or not.But that's me!

PS.When i ran out of time on that bloody Asia game 2 years ago you thotas remember that i admit in public (and I PMed you blitz) that it is my fault and I dont blame you guys for anything...there was an issue of hacking my account etc etc...

PS2. Yes, CCC and Stalingrad are both great games, even if I lost them both.

[Leehar]

Thats fine, I didn't realize that it had happened a coupla times in the last war between you guys as well, which I guess could make this a trifle irritating.
But if both sides do agree on making a new game for it, then it shouldn't be a problem, and I'm glad you guys are able to resolve it so easily.

ps. I just pm'd you cause I wanted the Pack to know how these things are done

[firstholliday]

eheh

[jackal31]

Listen gang, you guys should understand I have taken the privi's from BW for a reason, so Blitz and BW should not be given pm's regarding this scenario.

Secondly, I am already in communications with lc regarding this.

Thirdly, yes this happened in the last war, but Commander wasnt in that war and this is not something THOTA does all the time. This has been a great and fun war to this point. As Skill pointed out, Commander was kind enough to recognize his mistake and posted information about it. I have requested more information to satisfy the "needy", but personally, this is not a practice of THOTA to gain a tactical advantage. It was an honest mistake.

Please let lc and I handle this. The outcome will be posted and we will get this resolved. Until then, lets play the other games and continue to have fun.

[jalen45]

Listen gang, you guys should understand I have taken the privi's from BW for a reason, so Blitz and BW should not be given pm's regarding this scenario.

Secondly, I am already in communications with lc regarding this.

Thirdly, yes this happened in the last war, but Commander wasnt in that war and this is not something THOTA does all the time. This has been a great and fun war to this point. As Skill pointed out, Commander was kind enough to recognize his mistake and posted information about it. I have requested more information to satisfy the "needy", but personally, this is not a practice of THOTA to gain a tactical advantage. It was an honest mistake.

Please let lc and I handle this. The outcome will be posted and we will get this resolved. Until then, lets play the other games and continue to have fun.

jackal that is fine if you and LC want to resolve this yourselves, however, if the game is to be remade that decision needs to be made withing the next few hours because once turns start swaying the outcome one way or the other, its going to cause a huge fight between the clans. I will not push for a remake or not, but what im saying is that it needs to be decided very quickly before more turns are taken.

[jackal31]

I understand that....and thats why I have a pm to lc regarding this. But I cant make any decisions until he and I talk about it. I will be checking in periodically all day, so hopefully we can put this to rest sooner than later.