Streaker's Third Mafia - Archive please.

[strike wolf]

Oh crap. I forgot to edit that post before making it so that it wouldn't break the page...sorry.

[legionnare]

also i only see 3 votes on charm, 5 is needed, no need to go more. mod should update with a vote count soon

The two votes and claim time was established in case of a secrete voter. In this game we know what the set ups are. A sudden hammer would be scummy.

I posed a question to Charm earlier and she has ignored it. Now would be a good time to speak up.

I also find legionnaires eagerness to hammer* rather odd considering he did not have much to say one way or the other about charm. Virus and Storr where his top scum reads from his last post. Granted he said Charm was in his top 4.

Question for you legion....why would you vote want to hammer charm without her given a chance to defend** AND seeing that the top person on your scum tell list was voting to lynch her as well?

Huh thought Hotshot had switched his vote to make it 4 ah well, miscount by me.

*It was not eagerness to hammer, merely a statement that I am willing to stick my neck out and drop the hammer. As you said she is in my top 4, there is traction on her and her posts in general have been poor with little added to the game other than flavour. The way I see it is she is our best shot at a D1 Mafia lynch. As for Storr being in on the voting party, that is not alignment indicative.

**At what point did I say she wouldn't get a chance to defend herself? I didn't add a time-frame to my post, merely that I would hammer if need be.

A question for you in return; why the pressure on someone willing to hammer the person you are voting on? Do you not want to see her lynched?

As for extension, fine by me.

[Iron Butterfly]

Yes a time extension would be fine.

Legionnare you have added absolutely nothing to the conversation in regards to Charm until all the points were on the table.

Why the pressure on someone willing to hammer? Before you were reminded, you thought she was at L1 and ready to hang. She had not had a chance to defend and it seemed you were ready to lynch on someones say so. Now we cant argue something that has not happened as she was not hammered.

Charm can very well be Town. She is best lynch for now. The thing is that a game such as this does not afford a no lynch. A no lynch gives mafia a free kill and we start exactly were we left off the next day.

What makes you think that because she is about to be lynched that pressure should not be applied on others if something seems suspect?

[charm]

So what in your book makes only two of us "possibly" mafia vs everyone else?
There are only 2 mafia in this game, based on the mod's game setup.

You have folks as probably or leaning Town and no reads on others.
It's only day 1, give me a break!

What has been your criteria?
No real criteria on day 1, other than who speaks up and doesn't. I really try and watch the interaction on day 1, especially by the more seasoned players. Mostly, I go on gut feel, my intuition is usually pretty good.

I'm going to be offline most of today, so in case I do not get back, here is some housekeeping...

UNVOTE
Now VOTE LEGION...I dont buy anything he said about the hammer bit and if he wants to be a sacrifice for day 2 then so be it...because I will definitely turn up as Vanilla Town!

[charm]

Oh and PS, I'm sorry if I'm not adding enough, but being vanilla doesn't give me much to work with from a creative perspective. I've asked the mafia who they are and they won't fess up.

Here is my pressure on others...
Leg - are you scum
Storr - have you and MTAM ever been mafia at the same time?
MTAM - watch your language, I don't want you getting yelled at by others and only scum would use the "F" word! What flavor of ice cream do you like?
StrikeWolf - Carmel Pecan is a good flavor...very towny in my opinion. Too bad you're leaning me as scum, because you are dead wrong!

[StorrZerg]

@charm no we have not been mafia together yet.

I think realistically we have 2 options today, charm or legion, and we should be trying to drive our discussion around that.

with that, i'd like to hear more from virus/hotshot on why legion over charm.

and an updated view form strike on this particular issue.

[Metsfanmax]

1. Mtam-the beginning of this hotshot case is kind of ridiculous. Not so much for the post he picked out for being "Oh so scummy" but also just that he doesn't explain anything. I won't say it's scummy necessarily but I kind of feel like he might be playing his own little game here. Or it could be because h,e as he is known to do, didn't read the opening post...or the game's title "Vanilla time!"

This is fairly typical mtam behavior from what I have seen: suggest that something is really obvious from a post if we just read between the lines carefully enough, and consequently refuse to explain what it is.

Regarding the extension: normally I don't like extensions but since this is about a replacement late in the day I support it, since strike wolf said he wouldn't mind having it.

[HotShot53]

@charm no we have not been mafia together yet.

I think realistically we have 2 options today, charm or legion, and we should be trying to drive our discussion around that.

with that, i'd like to hear more from virus/hotshot on why legion over charm.

and an updated view form strike on this particular issue.

Honestly, charm hasn't looked all that good recently either... but with her and legion voting for each other, it seems likely that both are probably not scum, but one or the other very well could be. I don't know if charm's vote on legion was more of a OMGUS vote, or a "lynch anyone but me" vote, but I'm guessing it's the later, which isn't very town/scum indicative. Overall, I have charm as slight possible scum due to her lack of very much meaningful, but nothing that seems very scummy.

Why I think legion is scum, is because of his OMGUS vote, then when giving reads only gave town reads with everyone else being "not enough activity" (which to me is a neutral read, not a scum read)... and then he jumped on the charm bandwagon willing to hammer her without much reasoning seeming to be behind it. So overall, although I'm not completely opposed to a charm lynch, I still think legion is the more likely scum. (say 25% charm, 55% legion, 15% neither, 5% both)

[Streaker]

Vote count

virus90 (0): Iron Butterfly, Metsfanmax
PCM (0): Charm
Storrzerg (0): virus90, charm
Metsfanmax (0): Hotshot53
Mtamburini (0): Storrzerg
Legionnare (3):Iron Butterfly, Hotshot53, virus90, charm
Iron Butterfly (0): legionnare
Charm (3): Metsfanmax, Iron Butterfly, Storrzerg
Hotshot53 (1): Mtamburini

Players not voting: legionnare, strike wolf

Remember, all players who have not voted by deadline will be modkilled. Today, a 24 hour deadline has been granted. This makes deadline 24 hours from now.
It takes 5 to lynch.

[charm]

Well, glad to see I'm still alive.
If you must focus on Legion or me, then I say we focus on applying pressure to Legion. I've already stated that I'm town. I have not done anything scummy, only didn't post as much. Legion wanted to hammer me when it's not needed yet, without letting me defend myself, and hasn't posted much either.

In case I don't make it through the day...
I just keep thinking that Zerg is mafia this game. There are little things, not anything major. I'll have to re-read through his posts. I get the IRL stuff, as I have been busy this week too. So, I'm going to weed that out and focus on the posts.
The other thing that caught my eye is IB's 3 votes and position of his votes. I'm going to go back and take a look at how his votes correspond to the discussion.

[Iron Butterfly]

Well, glad to see I'm still alive.
If you must focus on Legion or me, then I say we focus on applying pressure to Legion. I've already stated that I'm town. I have not done anything scummy, only didn't post as much. Legion wanted to hammer me when it's not needed yet, without letting me defend myself, and hasn't posted much either.

In case I don't make it through the day...
I just keep thinking that Zerg is mafia this game. There are little things, not anything major. I'll have to re-read through his posts. I get the IRL stuff, as I have been busy this week too. So, I'm going to weed that out and focus on the posts.
The other thing that caught my eye is IB's 3 votes and position of his votes. I'm going to go back and take a look at how his votes correspond to the discussion.

My vote was second on you....it would have been first but Met's beat me to the punch. I fully intended to start a case and even gave a heads up. YOU were the person that bothered me as it seemed that you have been trying to act way to Town with your Ice cream. The Vanilla Townie comment was the comment that made me want to vote you.You seemed to be implying you were a VT, wich is a bad move in a VT game.

I would love to hear your theories though.

[legionnare]

Legion wanted to hammer me when it's not needed yet, without letting me defend myself.

There is a difference between wanting to hammer and willing to hammer; if I had wanted to hammer I would have (at the time I thought my vote would be the hammer not the 4th vote). I stated that I was willing to hammer; which would give you the opportunity to defend yourself, then I would hammer vote or not depending on what you said.

@Hotshot, don't know why saying charm and I are voting for each other; I don't have a vote out there....

Unless Mtam wants to see Charm lynched this will end in a deadlock unless hotshot or virus change or IB, Storr or Mets change.

I will vote Charm now to avoid modkill and leave it up to Mtam to decide what happens...

[Metsfanmax]

I will continue to emphasize that D1 lynches are always based on very imperfect information. It could be that my suspicions on charm's play so far are unfounded or are based on some factor other than being indicative of her alignment. But by the same token, so could charm's read on Storr.

Now, legion's switch to a vote on charm is interesting and can be interpreted in two ways. One is that he is scum and that even though a D1 lynch helps town, by helping us do it it partially clears him. The other is that he really is town, and the fact that this makes him less likely to get lynched is just a coincidence. I don't know which way to lean on this one, and if charm flips town then I think we have a solid D2 lead to pursue.

[virus90]

i still prefer to lynch legionaire, but not sure if we can get a majority for that. as it seems currently its not very likely. since charm basicly claimed VT, it wouldnt be worse case if she gets lynched.
anyhow i prefer a lynch to gather information. since im sleeping when the deadline approaches i hope someone will switch votes to make sure a lynch happens. or ill have to do that myself in about 2 hours.
can Strike be PM'ed/poked ? i think im officaly not allowed to do that myself.

[Iron Butterfly]

i still prefer to lynch legionaire, but not sure if we can get a majority for that. as it seems currently its not very likely. since charm basicly claimed VT, it wouldnt be worse case if she gets lynched.
anyhow i prefer a lynch to gather information. since im sleeping when the deadline approaches i hope someone will switch votes to make sure a lynch happens. or ill have to do that myself in about 2 hours.
can Strike be PM'ed/poked ? i think im officaly not allowed to do that myself.

It's hard enough to get people to post in a timely manner as it is.

A large part of my reasoning for voting her was her soft claim. Yes mafia would know she is Town but she lets them know what she is and makes the odds easier for them in their nk. With her gone we no longer need to second guess.

[mtamburini]

Legion wanted to hammer me when it's not needed yet, without letting me defend myself.

There is a difference between wanting to hammer and willing to hammer; if I had wanted to hammer I would have (at the time I thought my vote would be the hammer not the 4th vote). I stated that I was willing to hammer; which would give you the opportunity to defend yourself, then I would hammer vote or not depending on what you said.

@Hotshot, don't know why saying charm and I are voting for each other; I don't have a vote out there....

Unless Mtam wants to see Charm lynched this will end in a deadlock unless hotshot or virus change or IB, Storr or Mets change.

I will vote Charm now to avoid modkill and leave it up to Mtam to decide what happens...

If im choosing between you and charm you'll die 10/10 times. I suggest you change your votes to hotshot if you want a better chance of surivial

[charm]

A large part of my reasoning for voting her was her soft claim. Yes mafia would know she is Town but she lets them know what she is and makes the odds easier for them in their nk. With her gone we no longer need to second guess.

I do not understand...all of us are VT except the Cop. The cop would even state he is VT wouldn't he?
I know I'm newer to mafia but is there a rule that if the a town member gets to L2, they must claim their true position?

Did I not save the cop, and hence the town by showing that I'm town, drawing attention to myself, and off other members?
Did I not let the town know, not to focus on me because I'm one of them?

If you ask me, I played an excellent Day 1 VT game! Too bad some of you boys are not sophisticated enough to catch on my fun and teasing ways!

So, if I'm lynched - my nose is twitching on Zerg and Legion. IB and Mets is still questionable in my mind too.

[HotShot53]

i still prefer to lynch legionaire, but not sure if we can get a majority for that. as it seems currently its not very likely. since charm basicly claimed VT, it wouldnt be worse case if she gets lynched.
anyhow i prefer a lynch to gather information. since im sleeping when the deadline approaches i hope someone will switch votes to make sure a lynch happens. or ill have to do that myself in about 2 hours.
can Strike be PM'ed/poked ? i think im officaly not allowed to do that myself.

You don't have to worry about a lynch happening... I guess everyone is just assuming it's the same as last game, but it's not; if there is no majority at deadline then the person with the most votes will be lynched. So unless half the people go crazy and switch to voting no-lynch at the last second, there will be a lynch today.

@Hotshot, don't know why saying charm and I are voting for each other; I don't have a vote out there....

Sorry, I guess I missed that you hadn't actually placed it yet, and only said you were going to vote her

[strike wolf]

Im sorry all. Im dealing with some family crap right now. I still plan on playing nut m posting is going o be sparse for at least the next few days.

[strike wolf]

But my*

[Iron Butterfly]

But my*

So you cant vote...or where you killed at your keyboard before you could post? You have read everything and made a big post. It is day one not a time consuming rocket science project.

So mod am I to understand that its most votes now instead of majority?

[HotShot53]

to quote the initial post:

-A lynch will happen upon majority vote. When no majority can be reached upon deadline, the player with the most votes will be lynched. In case of a tie, the player who first reached the most votes will be lynched. Or a cage deathmatch. We will see.

[strike wolf]

Crap. I forgot that the deadline was at 130. Ultimately, I still believe charm is the best lynch right now. Shes spent more time today pushing herself as VT and her ice cream and not enough content. Identifing people pozting fluff as a mafia tactic has worked well for me in the past.

vote charm

I believe that is hammer. Either way she flips I am also fairly interested in Virus. Storrs lessened activity is interesting for him but I also find myself having come up with a lot of the same reads as him so I am willing to go with a slight town read.

[charm]

Boo Hoo Hoo

Good luck town!

[Streaker]

Deadline reached, charm has most votes and is lynched.

She was a Vanilla Townie.

Night 1 start, day will start when all night actions are in.

Also, no night talk in this game.