Prohibition Chicago [Quenched]

cairnswk · Post by **cairnswk** » Sat Feb 02, 2008 6:54 pm

oaktown wrote:Alright, I can't really see anything major that needs to be changed in the gameplay department. I know you've said it elsewhere, but it couldn't hurt to add "roads" under the inpassables legend.

OK will do.

racketeers bonus seems a bit too high... +2 maybe?

Mmmm. hard to justifiy this when there is only three terts in that continent and they are all defending.

And I'd say whoever nabs the boats has a quick advantage in this one, because it'll be the only region that can't be hit via guns. What do people say about making it a +1?

No, they have two terts to defend, i think two is justified.

The 'hold any four' public utilities - does that include City Hall?

Yes, since public utilities includes City Hall, doesn't the map say that. One would draw a logical conclusion from that, even though i know some people doin't think logically or read the insutructions on the map.

oaktown · Post by **oaktown** » Sat Feb 02, 2008 7:31 pm

cairnswk wrote:
oaktown wrote:The 'hold any four' public utilities - does that include City Hall?
Yes, since public utilities includes City Hall, doesn't the map say that. One would draw a logical conclusion from that, even though i know some people doin't think logically or read the insutructions on the map.

Actually, no, it doesn't say that. I assumed it was the opposite. The legend says that utilities can each other including attack city hall, which could be read to mean that they can attack city hall, but not that it counts as part of the bonus.

From the legend it looks as if a utility has the little boxes next to it, so you'd need four terits with the little utility boxes to make up the bonus. City Hall doesn't have that, nor does Tax Dept, which I also assume isn't a utility.

Damn it, Cairnswk, why do you insist on making maps that require so much thinking??

gimil · Post by **gimil** » Sat Feb 02, 2008 8:05 pm

To keep you on your toes oaktown

cairnswk · Post by **cairnswk** » Sat Feb 02, 2008 8:11 pm

oaktown wrote:
cairnswk wrote:
oaktown wrote:The 'hold any four' public utilities - does that include City Hall?
Yes, since public utilities includes City Hall, doesn't the map say that. One would draw a logical conclusion from that, even though i know some people doin't think logically or read the insutructions on the map.
Actually, no, it doesn't say that. I assumed it was the opposite. The legend says that utilities can each other including attack city hall, which could be read to mean that they can attack city hall, but not that it counts as part of the bonus.

From the legend it looks as if a utility has the little boxes next to it, so you'd need four terits with the little utility boxes to make up the bonus. City Hall doesn't have that, nor does Tax Dept, which I also assume isn't a utility.

Damn it, Cairnswk, why do you insist on making maps that require so much thinking??

Damn it Oaktown, why is everyone not on "my level"...because the way everything has to be spelt out all the time really annoys me! And I don't always work on LCD principle

gimil · Post by **gimil** » Sat Feb 02, 2008 8:17 pm

cairnswk wrote:
oaktown wrote:
cairnswk wrote:
oaktown wrote:The 'hold any four' public utilities - does that include City Hall?
Yes, since public utilities includes City Hall, doesn't the map say that. One would draw a logical conclusion from that, even though i know some people doin't think logically or read the insutructions on the map.
Actually, no, it doesn't say that. I assumed it was the opposite. The legend says that utilities can each other including attack city hall, which could be read to mean that they can attack city hall, but not that it counts as part of the bonus.

From the legend it looks as if a utility has the little boxes next to it, so you'd need four terits with the little utility boxes to make up the bonus. City Hall doesn't have that, nor does Tax Dept, which I also assume isn't a utility.

Damn it, Cairnswk, why do you insist on making maps that require so much thinking??
Damn it Oaktown, why is everyone not on "my level"...because the way everything has to be spelt out all the time really annoys me! And I don't always work on LCD principle

People come to the site for enjpyment of the game. Some may find that they dont want to be on "your level" by having to overly think before they can enjoy a game on your map. But thats only some, remeber there are also people who do enjoy your maps and go that extra mile to play them

DiM · Post by **DiM** » Sat Feb 02, 2008 8:18 pm

cairnswk wrote:
oaktown wrote:
cairnswk wrote:
oaktown wrote:The 'hold any four' public utilities - does that include City Hall?
Yes, since public utilities includes City Hall, doesn't the map say that. One would draw a logical conclusion from that, even though i know some people doin't think logically or read the insutructions on the map.
Actually, no, it doesn't say that. I assumed it was the opposite. The legend says that utilities can each other including attack city hall, which could be read to mean that they can attack city hall, but not that it counts as part of the bonus.

From the legend it looks as if a utility has the little boxes next to it, so you'd need four terits with the little utility boxes to make up the bonus. City Hall doesn't have that, nor does Tax Dept, which I also assume isn't a utility.

Damn it, Cairnswk, why do you insist on making maps that require so much thinking??
Damn it Oaktown, why is everyone not on "my level"...because the way everything has to be spelt out all the time really annoys me! And I don't always work on LCD principle

the city hall is an utility. just look at the colour of the terit. same grey as the other utilities. seems simple to me.

gimil · Post by **gimil** » Sat Feb 02, 2008 8:20 pm

DiM wrote:
cairnswk wrote:
oaktown wrote:
cairnswk wrote:
oaktown wrote:The 'hold any four' public utilities - does that include City Hall?
Yes, since public utilities includes City Hall, doesn't the map say that. One would draw a logical conclusion from that, even though i know some people doin't think logically or read the insutructions on the map.
Actually, no, it doesn't say that. I assumed it was the opposite. The legend says that utilities can each other including attack city hall, which could be read to mean that they can attack city hall, but not that it counts as part of the bonus.

From the legend it looks as if a utility has the little boxes next to it, so you'd need four terits with the little utility boxes to make up the bonus. City Hall doesn't have that, nor does Tax Dept, which I also assume isn't a utility.

Damn it, Cairnswk, why do you insist on making maps that require so much thinking??
Damn it Oaktown, why is everyone not on "my level"...because the way everything has to be spelt out all the time really annoys me! And I don't always work on LCD principle
the city hall is an utility. just look at the colour of the terit. same grey as the other utilities. seems simple to me.

6 territories with that color scheme, and only 4 utilities

cairnswk · Post by **cairnswk** » Sat Feb 02, 2008 8:24 pm

gimil wrote:
People come to the site for enjpyment of the game. Some may find that they dont want to be on "your level" by having to overly think before they can enjoy a game on your map. But thats only some, remeber there are also people who do enjoy your maps and go that extra mile to play them

Oh Gimil...i'm well aware of that...i'm just pissed that Oaktown picked up on that and I didn't!!!

Anyway. i hope this recitifies that situation in version 16 below.

gimil · Post by **gimil** » Sat Feb 02, 2008 8:28 pm

Can i get large ans small please?

See if we can get 2 birds with one stone tonight

cairnswk · Post by **cairnswk** » Sat Feb 02, 2008 8:37 pm

gimil wrote:Can i get large ans small please?

See if we can get 2 birds with one stone tonight

Gimil..that'd be wonderful...i guess you know that's what i've been subtley pushing for...I'm very diplomatic, ain't I???

Anyway, large and small below in version 16. There is an anomoly on the street footpaths being that grey area, which i have to fix once this is plsit into two maps. The army shadows also have tob e re-sized as you know.

gimil · Post by **gimil** » Sat Feb 02, 2008 8:41 pm

Its all nitpicky stuff which ill get to on a quiter day, in case you havent noticed the foudry is on fire tonight keeping me on my toes

cairnswk · Post by **cairnswk** » Sat Feb 02, 2008 8:48 pm

gimil wrote:Its all nitpicky stuff which ill get to on a quiter day, in case you havent noticed the foudry is on fire tonight keeping me on my toes

Yes i see that...DiM & I both put up another map, and everyone is lagging from do nothing much all week

rush to get things done...hehehehe!
Appreciative as always!

gimil · Post by **gimil** » Sat Feb 02, 2008 9:11 pm

Its jsut much easier to follow discussion as it happens, it make the foundry more enjoyable to me

cairnswk · Post by **cairnswk** » Sat Feb 02, 2008 9:30 pm

gimil wrote:Its jsut much easier to follow discussion as it happens, it make the foundry more enjoyable to me

Yes i used to like that also.

cairnswk · Post by **cairnswk** » Tue Feb 05, 2008 3:11 am

any further comments?

Incandenza · Post by **Incandenza** » Tue Feb 05, 2008 5:02 am

I still feel like the gangster's face could be better.... it's almost like you've split the difference between semi-realism and cartoon: too much detail for a cartoon, too unfinished for semi-realism. The overall effect is kinda creepy.

Perhaps there's an advertising icon or a comic book image from the period that you could adapt.

cairnswk · Post by **cairnswk** » Wed Feb 06, 2008 4:29 am

Incandenza wrote:I still feel like the gangster's face could be better.... it's almost like you've split the difference between semi-realism and cartoon: too much detail for a cartoon, too unfinished for semi-realism. The overall effect is kinda creepy.

Perhaps there's an advertising icon or a comic book image from the period that you could adapt.

Incandenza...i have update the image above Version 16 and placed the face more straight on. I hope this goes heaps of way to satisying...?!

Skittles! · Post by **Skittles!** » Wed Feb 06, 2008 4:31 am

I noticed something.

You have "Goal" instead of "Gaol" on the legend

cairnswk · Post by **cairnswk** » Wed Feb 06, 2008 4:43 am

Skittles! wrote:I noticed something.

You have "Goal" instead of "Gaol" on the legend

I did 2, and also on the map...thanks Skittles.

Incandenza · Post by **Incandenza** » Wed Feb 06, 2008 5:02 am

cairnswk wrote:
Incandenza wrote:I still feel like the gangster's face could be better.... it's almost like you've split the difference between semi-realism and cartoon: too much detail for a cartoon, too unfinished for semi-realism. The overall effect is kinda creepy.

Perhaps there's an advertising icon or a comic book image from the period that you could adapt.
Incandenza...i have update the image above Version 16 and placed the face more straight on. I hope this goes heaps of way to satisying...?!

Yeah, I can totally live with that. Nicely done.

cairnswk · Post by **cairnswk** » Wed Feb 06, 2008 7:03 am

Incandenza wrote:
cairnswk wrote:
Incandenza wrote:I still feel like the gangster's face could be better.... it's almost like you've split the difference between semi-realism and cartoon: too much detail for a cartoon, too unfinished for semi-realism. The overall effect is kinda creepy.

Perhaps there's an advertising icon or a comic book image from the period that you could adapt.
Incandenza...i have update the image above Version 16 and placed the face more straight on. I hope this goes heaps of way to satisying...?!
Yeah, I can totally live with that. Nicely done.

Yes!!

Thanks Incandenza.

rebelman · Post by **rebelman** » Wed Feb 06, 2008 8:11 am

haven't looked at this map in a long time and wow its really looking well now, i need to study it further before making gameplay comments but graphically it looks great

cairnswk · Post by **cairnswk** » Wed Feb 06, 2008 2:13 pm

AndyDufresne · Post by **AndyDufresne** » Wed Feb 06, 2008 11:50 pm

This map is starting to look top-notch! I've only got some minor suggestions...the Diamond Joe, Gambler's Heaven, Speakeasy 1 & 2 images look out of place when compared to the other style of buildings. Perhaps something more similar to Capone's style near the lake?

Also, there seems to be some minor pixelation in parts of the map. The river running through the city suffers from it the most I think.

Lastly, perhaps adjust the yellow dots from James Vicini and the Breweries...so they are a little more clear. Perhaps by placing 2 on the road isntead of one.

--Andy

gimil · Post by **gimil** » Wed Feb 06, 2008 11:52 pm

Cairns i wouls also like to see a stroke or light shadow on the yellow dots in te sea, jsut to make it less difficult to identiy them in te water