Wrong Turn Mafia Cannibals win

william18 · Post by **william18** » Sat Feb 23, 2008 3:31 pm

It's always random on day one.

ExplainThis · Post by **ExplainThis** » Sat Feb 23, 2008 3:36 pm

william18 wrote:It's always random on day one.

although the first couple wagons of day 1 may be random the lynch doesn't have to be, the information gathered from those wagons should lead to an informed (though not necessarily correct) lynch. By just randomly lynching people you make day 2 just as bad as day 1 accept with information role info (wait you'd be killing 1, maybe this towns only one). Playing with that mind set dooms you to failure.

lord voldemort · Post by **lord voldemort** » Sat Feb 23, 2008 8:51 pm

careful with the et thing. though he is annoying i am unsure if he is correct lynch or not.

ExplainThis · Post by **ExplainThis** » Sun Feb 24, 2008 1:19 am

If me being annoying is why you are going to lynch me I'd rather you state that and I get replaced then hurting the game just to get rid of me.

amazzony · Post by **amazzony** » Sun Feb 24, 2008 2:52 am

warning. n00b speaking

I don't understand why ET has so many votes against him. I mean, I don't have anything against a lynch but why him?

Kernal_Kronic · Post by **Kernal_Kronic** » Sun Feb 24, 2008 3:03 am

unvote

looking back now, i don't know why i did vote u, other than to get a lynch.

Kernal_Kronic · Post by **Kernal_Kronic** » Sun Feb 24, 2008 3:12 am

looking back no one is coming up looking incredibly scummy, but there is a lot of submarining going on...

icedagger · Post by **icedagger** » Sun Feb 24, 2008 9:12 am

I'm back from Amsterdam! FOS the Dutch for unfeasibly large rizlas.

In other news, Unvote, I'll reread and decide as I can't really remember what's been going on here.

william18 · Post by **william18** » Sun Feb 24, 2008 9:17 am

Then who should we lynch?

ExplainThis · Post by **ExplainThis** » Sun Feb 24, 2008 12:26 pm

william18 wrote:Then who should we lynch?

I'd start with one of the 2 that just unvoted me.

william18 · Post by **william18** » Sun Feb 24, 2008 12:28 pm

Why? They just saved your life.

ExplainThis · Post by **ExplainThis** » Sun Feb 24, 2008 12:43 pm

william18 wrote:Why? They just saved your life.

Did they? I think that unless you were going to hammer me I was pretty much in the not going to get lynched anytime soon category, -1 or not. Their initial votes for me were for no reason, admitting it afterwards doesn't clear them of this. And they were on both my and sam's wagon. To me it looks like they unvoted so that one they could get some townie points if i die and turn up town (because they 'saved' my life as you said) and two so that they could move on to a new wagon that might actually lead to a lynch.

william18 · Post by **william18** » Sun Feb 24, 2008 12:56 pm

ExplainThis wrote:
william18 wrote:Why? They just saved your life.
Did they? I think that unless you were going to hammer me I was pretty much in the not going to get lynched anytime soon category, -1 or not. Their initial votes for me were for no reason, admitting it afterwards doesn't clear them of this. And they were on both my and sam's wagon. To me it looks like they unvoted so that one they could get some townie points if i die and turn up town (because they 'saved' my life as you said) and two so that they could move on to a new wagon that might actually lead to a lynch.

Maybe they are noobs that just bandwagon, thats what I did in my first mafia game.

ExplainThis · Post by **ExplainThis** » Sun Feb 24, 2008 12:58 pm

william18 wrote:
ExplainThis wrote:
william18 wrote:Why? They just saved your life.
Did they? I think that unless you were going to hammer me I was pretty much in the not going to get lynched anytime soon category, -1 or not. Their initial votes for me were for no reason, admitting it afterwards doesn't clear them of this. And they were on both my and sam's wagon. To me it looks like they unvoted so that one they could get some townie points if i die and turn up town (because they 'saved' my life as you said) and two so that they could move on to a new wagon that might actually lead to a lynch.
Maybe they are noobs that just bandwagon, thats what I did in my first mafia game.

Is this both of their first games? That would change my perspective. I thought they were both somewhat new but I also thought they had at least one game under their belt.

Kernal_Kronic · Post by **Kernal_Kronic** » Mon Feb 25, 2008 2:40 am

I was originally suspicious of sam but i UNVOTED when he made a legitamate claim. I think the vote i placed on you was done after i had been drinking... thinking about it i decided to unvote u on the chance that u are telling the truth. Ur claim was nowhere near as descriptive as sam's & i wasn't 100% convinced, actually i'm not convinced about you at all...

The fact that no one that was left brought the hammer down on you is a bit suspicious. U gave a very vague role claim & then tried to "run up" icedagger who wasn't here to put up a defence. You mention that me & icedagger were on the sam BW but so were you, so why does that make us scummy but u clean.

Clive · Post by **Clive** » Mon Feb 25, 2008 12:46 pm

Vote Count

Amazzony (1): Lord Voldemort
ExplainThis (4): Iliad, sam_levi_11, Yorkiepeter, cena-rules
Icedagger (2) KiwiTaker, ExplainThis
sam_levi_11 (1) Amazzony
KiwiTaker (1) philh

not voting (4): Skoffin, William18, icedagger, Kernal_Kronic

7 to lynch.

ExplainThis · Post by **ExplainThis** » Mon Feb 25, 2008 3:58 pm

Kernal_Kronic wrote:I was originally suspicious of sam but i UNVOTED when he made a legitamate claim. I think the vote i placed on you was done after i had been drinking... thinking about it i decided to unvote u on the chance that u are telling the truth. Ur claim was nowhere near as descriptive as sam's & i wasn't 100% convinced, actually i'm not convinced about you at all...

The fact that no one that was left brought the hammer down on you is a bit suspicious. U gave a very vague role claim & then tried to "run up" icedagger who wasn't here to put up a defence. You mention that me & icedagger were on the sam BW but so were you, so why does that make us scummy but u clean.

Voting for someone who's absent isn't scummy, trying to get him hammered while still absent would be but I wouldn't have done that.
As far as me not getting lynched goes, there was basically no case against me.
Me being on the sam wagon in no way makes me look clean, but it on its own isn't very damning. The fact that you guys both 180ed from voting with me to voting for me, however, is very scummy and marks the difference between us.

btw "I was drunk" or "I was too tired" or "I was impaired by illegal substances" are never really valid reasons to explain why you've done something.

icedagger · Post by **icedagger** » Tue Feb 26, 2008 8:34 am

ExplainThis wrote:
william18 wrote:Why? They just saved your life.
Did they? I think that unless you were going to hammer me I was pretty much in the not going to get lynched anytime soon category, -1 or not. Their initial votes for me were for no reason, admitting it afterwards doesn't clear them of this. And they were on both my and sam's wagon. To me it looks like they unvoted so that one they could get some townie points if i die and turn up town (because they 'saved' my life as you said) and two so that they could move on to a new wagon that might actually lead to a lynch.

No, my initial vote was not for no reason. You've been acting incredibly scummy, throwing accusations around and being very defensive. I unvoted when I got back because I hadn't had a chance to read through the thread, and you were close to a lynch. I unvoted Sam because he made a pretty solid claim, not unvoting him would be very scummy.

However, since you were at hammer -1 for a while (I think?) and weren't hammered, there's a few conclusions we can take from this:
1) Inactive mafia
2) Mafia alredy had their votes on you
3) Mafia didn't want to hammer you to try to look un-scummy
4) You are, in fact, mafia

I'm undecided which is most likely yet.

By the way, I'm not a complete noob to mafia, and I'm pretty sure I've played more mafia games than you on this site ET..

icedagger · Post by **icedagger** » Tue Feb 26, 2008 4:13 pm

Vote ExplainThis for above mentioned reasons, and I can't find a better lead.

ExplainThis · Post by **ExplainThis** » Tue Feb 26, 2008 4:47 pm

icedagger wrote: No, my initial vote was not for no reason. You've been acting incredibly scummy, throwing accusations around and being very defensive. I unvoted when I got back because I hadn't had a chance to read through the thread, and you were close to a lynch. I unvoted Sam because he made a pretty solid claim, not unvoting him would be very scummy.

Before your vote I accused 1 person seriously sam, and one person as day 1 speak, after it I've accused a few people but it being after they cant be used as an excuse for your vote. I wont get into why here but suffice it to say Ive done some stupid things while experimenting with ways to play, some very stupid things. Because of this I often got lynched very quickly in many places where I used to play. I've naturally developed a highly defensive style of play, sorry if it seems scummy to you.

I honestly hadn't considered your leave of absence as a reason for you unvoting me its a valid one. I never had a problem with you unvoting sam, I had a problem with you voting me, his main accuser, in the same breath though. That you were voting him implys you supported my reasons for thinking him scummy, yet right after he claims you vote me.

icedagger wrote: However, since you were at hammer -1 for a while (I think?) and weren't hammered, there's a few conclusions we can take from this:
1) Inactive mafia
2) Mafia alredy had their votes on you
3) Mafia didn't want to hammer you to try to look un-scummy
4) You are, in fact, mafia

I'm undecided which is most likely yet.

Fair enough. No qualms here.

icedagger wrote: By the way, I'm not a complete noob to mafia, and I'm pretty sure I've played more mafia games than you on this site ET..

On this site Ive completed exactly 0 games, so that would be a fair assumption. Off this site however I have a lot of experience. You likely know the players here far better then me so. I'm especially willing to listen to you if you have comments regarding general or specific play styles of this forum. With that in mind my play style may be very very different from one that was developed here and could incorrectly look scummy to you.

This post has certainly made me feel less sure that you're scum. hmm

william18 · Post by **william18** » Tue Feb 26, 2008 5:25 pm

icedagger wrote:
ExplainThis wrote:
william18 wrote:Why? They just saved your life.
Did they? I think that unless you were going to hammer me I was pretty much in the not going to get lynched anytime soon category, -1 or not. Their initial votes for me were for no reason, admitting it afterwards doesn't clear them of this. And they were on both my and sam's wagon. To me it looks like they unvoted so that one they could get some townie points if i die and turn up town (because they 'saved' my life as you said) and two so that they could move on to a new wagon that might actually lead to a lynch.
No, my initial vote was not for no reason. You've been acting incredibly scummy, throwing accusations around and being very defensive. I unvoted when I got back because I hadn't had a chance to read through the thread, and you were close to a lynch. I unvoted Sam because he made a pretty solid claim, not unvoting him would be very scummy.

However, since you were at hammer -1 for a while (I think?) and weren't hammered, there's a few conclusions we can take from this:
1) Inactive mafia
2) Mafia alredy had their votes on you
3) Mafia didn't want to hammer you to try to look un-scummy
4) You are, in fact, mafia

It was ET not me. I was the person who could've hammered ET.

ExplainThis · Post by **ExplainThis** » Tue Feb 26, 2008 5:28 pm

william18 wrote:
icedagger wrote:
ExplainThis wrote:
william18 wrote:Why? They just saved your life.
Did they? I think that unless you were going to hammer me I was pretty much in the not going to get lynched anytime soon category, -1 or not. Their initial votes for me were for no reason, admitting it afterwards doesn't clear them of this. And they were on both my and sam's wagon. To me it looks like they unvoted so that one they could get some townie points if i die and turn up town (because they 'saved' my life as you said) and two so that they could move on to a new wagon that might actually lead to a lynch.
No, my initial vote was not for no reason. You've been acting incredibly scummy, throwing accusations around and being very defensive. I unvoted when I got back because I hadn't had a chance to read through the thread, and you were close to a lynch. I unvoted Sam because he made a pretty solid claim, not unvoting him would be very scummy.

However, since you were at hammer -1 for a while (I think?) and weren't hammered, there's a few conclusions we can take from this:
1) Inactive mafia
2) Mafia alredy had their votes on you
3) Mafia didn't want to hammer you to try to look un-scummy
4) You are, in fact, mafia

It was ET not me. I was the person who could've hammered ET.

I think its clear he was talking about me the whole time, I don't know where you got the idea he wasn't.

william18 · Post by **william18** » Tue Feb 26, 2008 5:29 pm

ExplainThis wrote:
william18 wrote:
icedagger wrote:
ExplainThis wrote:
william18 wrote:Why? They just saved your life.
Did they? I think that unless you were going to hammer me I was pretty much in the not going to get lynched anytime soon category, -1 or not. Their initial votes for me were for no reason, admitting it afterwards doesn't clear them of this. And they were on both my and sam's wagon. To me it looks like they unvoted so that one they could get some townie points if i die and turn up town (because they 'saved' my life as you said) and two so that they could move on to a new wagon that might actually lead to a lynch.
No, my initial vote was not for no reason. You've been acting incredibly scummy, throwing accusations around and being very defensive. I unvoted when I got back because I hadn't had a chance to read through the thread, and you were close to a lynch. I unvoted Sam because he made a pretty solid claim, not unvoting him would be very scummy.

However, since you were at hammer -1 for a while (I think?) and weren't hammered, there's a few conclusions we can take from this:
1) Inactive mafia
2) Mafia alredy had their votes on you
3) Mafia didn't want to hammer you to try to look un-scummy
4) You are, in fact, mafia

It was ET not me. I was the person who could've hammered ET.

I think its clear he was talking about me the whole time, I don't know where you got the idea he wasn't.

opps srry , had a lapse.

Skoffin · Post by **Skoffin** » Tue Feb 26, 2008 9:49 pm

Ooookay, in another game I stoopidly posted comments on the wrong game. I think I have the right thread this time... <<
This is the one where I have reason to believe ET.. I think, just to make sure I'm not in the wrong one again, ET what did you claim? >_<

ExplainThis · Post by **ExplainThis** » Tue Feb 26, 2008 9:51 pm

Skoffin wrote:Ooookay, in another game I stoopidly posted comments on the wrong game. I think I have the right thread this time... <<
This is the one where I have reason to believe ET.. I think, just to make sure I'm not in the wrong one again, ET what did you claim? >_<

lol. I'm ranger #1, a tracker, in this game.