Death Note Mafia, Minister Masket and Sentinel XIV Win!

suggs · Post by **suggs** » Wed Mar 19, 2008 7:41 pm

who is kira again? sorry forgotten

Why is baggins beibg killed good?

FiveThreeEight · Post by **FiveThreeEight** » Wed Mar 19, 2008 7:49 pm

Kira is the bad guy. baggins being pro-Kira, it was a good thing he died.

suggs · Post by **suggs** » Wed Mar 19, 2008 7:53 pm

f*ck it, I'm going to claim, before we all get picked off.
I'm Talapus' girlfriend (

), an ex-FBI agent. I had no powers unless he was killed, in which case i would replace him as a tracker.
Obviously, he has been killed so I am now a tracker.

(I'll go back to my PM box and get my proper character name in a minute).

Now, before people get their knickers in a twist, i just want to say:

Look-yes I'm now a target for scum/Sk's. but at least the doctor (assuming we have one) can at least know of one person worth protecting.

I want to emphasise that the person worth protecting may not be me-I am sure/hopeful that we have some stronger pro-town roles.
If the doc can work out who they are, please protect them.

Use me as your last resort-at least that way the doc is assured some success, and the town will definitely get some info one way or the other tomorrow.

Plus-I am not suggesting AT ALL that anyone else should claim-I haven't thought that through. I just thought i'd give us something to go on.

*realises has made pompous longwinded speech*

Sorry. Carry on

suggs · Post by **suggs** » Wed Mar 19, 2008 7:54 pm

FiveThreeEight wrote:Kira is the bad guy. baggins being pro-Kira, it was a good thing he died.

so is kira the same as the death note?

mandyb · Post by **mandyb** » Wed Mar 19, 2008 7:57 pm

F1fth wrote:Yes, baggin's death was deinitely a good thing.

Now according to the scene, it was a shinigami (death god) that killed her. This means that the daykiller is NOT aligned with Kira (a great thing for town) and that he's probably 3rd party. My guess is an SK, while all the Kira affiliated stuff are one cohesive mafia making NKs.

Unless the shinigami made an uninformed kill and took out a Kira supporter by mistake.

Anyone have a lead from last night?

mandyb · Post by **mandyb** » Wed Mar 19, 2008 8:03 pm

suggs wrote:
FiveThreeEight wrote:Kira is the bad guy. baggins being pro-Kira, it was a good thing he died.
so is kira the same as the death note?

seems that way but this is a pretty confusing storyline

/ · Post by / » Wed Mar 19, 2008 9:30 pm

mandyb wrote:
suggs wrote:
FiveThreeEight wrote:Kira is the bad guy. baggins being pro-Kira, it was a good thing he died.
so is kira the same as the death note?
seems that way but this is a pretty confusing storyline

Kira is the nick-name people gave to who or whatever is causing the deaths of criminals(the user of the Death Note), It's the japanese pronounciation of the english word "Killer".

strike wolf · Post by **strike wolf** » Wed Mar 19, 2008 10:58 pm

Unfortunately, I don't have any leads either. I'm gonna go read back through day 1. See if I can't find anything.

Sierra_Leon · Post by **Sierra_Leon** » Thu Mar 20, 2008 4:00 am

I'm hurting pretty bad right now, because I just hit myself against the head very hard when I read Suggs's claim. I can see why you would think it's smart for an investigative role to outyourself Suggs, but it's just not a smart thing to do. I don't think you were a likely target out there, so it had been better if you kept that information to yourself. If the mafia have a roleblocker, they can stop you from gaining information even with a doc protecting you.

Well, there's nothing we can do about that now except finally get to what you all should've been doing already: scumhunting. When day 1 ended, I reread everyone's posts. Not much grabbed my attention except for two posts that sounded a little too much like someone who wanted to appear ignorant of the setup, while in actuality knowing exactly what's going on. I'm talking about these two posts by mandyb:

mandyb wrote:just to clarify...
light is out to get the bad guys and any good guys that get in the way?
then light is 'mafia'
bad guys are 'bandits'
good guys are 'town' ??
sorry if I'm being thick - just unsure of this storyline

Where did you get the word 'bandits' from? It was never mentioned in the storyline.

mandyb wrote:
baggins994 wrote:
baggins994 wrote:
mandyb wrote:just to clarify...
light is out to get the bad guys and any good guys that get in the way?
then light is 'mafia'
bad guys are 'bandits'
good guys are 'town' ??
sorry if I'm being thick - just unsure of this storyline
I think light is the leader of the bad guys, so they're all mafia, and the good guys are town.
Therefore, there are no bandits, the "Bandits" in mandys posts are part of lights mafia
but kira/light kills the 'bad' guys too, at least according to this:
Lately there have been an extreme increase in the deaths of violent criminals, starting in japan, though quickly spreading to notorious criminals around the globe , notably almost all die of heart attack, though some didn't seem to be themselves and made out very suspicious suicide notes.
so there must be more than just two groups - is this something our mod can expound on?

Again, you're speculating about there being multiple scum groups. Why is it important to know this on day 1 if you are town? For scum ofcourse, it's very important to know whether you should be hunting for other scum or just laying low.

Then, day 2 arrives. Now don't get me wrong, I'm very happy with mandyb posting frequently, but again it reeks (sp?) of scum.

mandyb wrote:Two death notes? Wouldn't that be terribly one-sided?

Eh? Suddenly you don't think there could be multiple scum groups anymore? What changed your mind?

mandyb wrote:if there are 2 death notes, will they be working in unison?

No wait, you swapped back to your original opinion: there could be two death notes. But now you start speculating about their connection.

mandyb wrote:
F1fth wrote:Yes, baggin's death was deinitely a good thing.

Now according to the scene, it was a shinigami (death god) that killed her. This means that the daykiller is NOT aligned with Kira (a great thing for town) and that he's probably 3rd party. My guess is an SK, while all the Kira affiliated stuff are one cohesive mafia making NKs.
Unless the shinigami made an uninformed kill and took out a Kira supporter by mistake.

Anyone have a lead from last night?

On top of it all, you're asking people to roleclaim?! WTF! You should be looking at what people post during the day, not focus on what they learned during the night. And you definately shouldn't be asking people to immediately claim if they think they found a lead at night, because you can never be sure of sanities.

Add up all your posts and it sums to scum. Vote mandyb.

Please respond to the questions I posted. I bolded them for you.

mandyb · Post by **mandyb** » Thu Mar 20, 2008 5:50 am

Well yet again it seems I'm acting scummy because I post too much! It got me killed in my first mafia game (the one before this). I was town in that one too but because of my over zealous posting and the mafia staying quiet, I was the eventual choice.

Not much grabbed my attention except for two posts that sounded a little too much like someone who wanted to appear ignorant of the setup,

sorry to dissappoint, but I'm NOT a mafia mastermind - as much as it pains me to tell, I was ignorant of the set up at that stage and am not much wiser now!

First of all:
mandyb wrote:
just to clarify...

light is out to get the bad guys and any good guys that get in the way?
then light is 'mafia'
bad guys are 'bandits'
good guys are 'town' ??
sorry if I'm being thick - just unsure of this storyline

this is just me trying to simpify things for myself - although I am now in 2 mafia, my first was, it appears a much simpler game involving the 3 groups (mafia, scum and town) I was not sure at the start of this game what groups were what or even if light was bad - I still haven't looked for the story on line and was hoping for some help separating the groups - simple as that.
So that's where I got the word 'bandit' from.

your second point:
mandyb wrote:
baggins994 wrote:
baggins994 wrote:
mandyb wrote:
just to clarify...
light is out to get the bad guys and any good guys that get in the way?
then light is 'mafia'
bad guys are 'bandits'
good guys are 'town' ??
sorry if I'm being thick - just unsure of this storyline

I think light is the leader of the bad guys, so they're all mafia, and the good guys are town.

Therefore, there are no bandits, the "Bandits" in mandys posts are part of lights mafia

but kira/light kills the 'bad' guys too, at least according to this:
Quote:
Lately there have been an extreme increase in the deaths of violent criminals, starting in japan, though quickly spreading to notorious criminals around the globe , notably almost all die of heart attack, though some didn't seem to be themselves and made out very suspicious suicide notes.

so there must be more than just two groups - is this something our mod can expound on?

Again, you're speculating about there being multiple scum groups. Why is it important to know this on day 1 if you are town? For scum ofcourse, it's very important to know whether you should be hunting for other scum or just laying low.

Again I was just trying to get the story clear - light kills the bad guys, according to the story - some good cops are also 'pro light' and some are against light. Getting as much information about this game as possible is all I was after. That is what posting is about - to gather information. There was some speculation as to how many groups were involved in this game - I was hoping to find out if this game resembled the other game I have played.

point three:
Then, day 2 arrives. Now don't get me wrong, I'm very happy with mandyb posting frequently, but again it reeks (sp?) of scum.
mandyb wrote:
Two death notes? Wouldn't that be terribly one-sided?

Eh? Suddenly you don't think there could be multiple scum groups anymore? What changed your mind?

Here I'm responding to someones suggestion that there are two death notes. People seem to be dropping very quickly here - day and night - if there were two death notes as well as multiple scum groups it would seem very unfair. People dying during the day phase is something I hadn't realized could happen.

next point:

mandyb wrote:
if there are 2 death notes, will they be working in unison?

No wait, you swapped back to your original opinion: there could be two death notes. But now you start speculating about their connection.

I'm asking questions! Someone, can't remember who, suggested 2 death notes - what's wrong with asking if they are working as a team? Those of you who know the story may have been able to help. If there are 2 death notes and they are working seperatly wouldn't that be good to know about?

your final point:
I did not ask people to role claim. Look back and you'll see that kiwitaker asked for information about the night before I did - I was simply echoing that. Looks like things are moving pretty fast in this game - we're going to have to move fast too - more info the better.
As for suggs role claim - was it so stupid? We know his role and he can pass on useful information as well as be protected. Maybe he can get role blocked, but with scum attention on him, maybe other 'town' can get further in their investigation.
You've obviously played a fair few games but again, just because I've posted a lot and asked some probably ignorant questions, doesn't mean I'm scum! I'm NOT scum - I'm an utter noob at mafia, that's all!
Frequent posting is what everyone should be doing - although it does get rather disheartening when you get accused of being scum because of it.
Sorry this has been such a huge post - but sierra asked me to respond to each point and I have.

suggs · Post by **suggs** » Thu Mar 20, 2008 6:46 am

Good on yer Mands!
I totally believe her.
Sierra looking scummy for his pressure, and frankly made up attacks.
I admit this reeks of OMGUS-but f*ck it, I suck anyway!

UNVOTE VOTE SIERRA LEON

suggs · Post by **suggs** » Thu Mar 20, 2008 6:47 am

ps to Sierra. Most games I've played in so far, town have kept quiet about there roles, and have got killed off.
I though i would try something different in this one.

sam_levi_11 · Post by **sam_levi_11** » Thu Mar 20, 2008 8:06 am

if someone has a death note they are scum?

FiveThreeEight · Post by **FiveThreeEight** » Thu Mar 20, 2008 9:42 am

KiwiTaker wrote:Does anyone have any leads from last night.

mandyb appears to be correct about Kiwi.

Let me think out loud for a second. Bear with me...

Ok. It seems a lot of investigative roles have been getting killed. Perhaps they investigated someone who would be told they were investigated, and, in turn, the investigators were killed by that person. I have a hard time believing they all investigated the same person. Maybe the killer/killers have investigative abilities of there own. I'm not sure about that yet. Perhaps the killer/killers are just getting lucky with hitting investigators every time. I'm not positive about any of that.

I do have two question for everyone, though. Is Kiwi asking an honest question here, something that he hopes will lead to the lynch of a scum? Or is Kiwi fishing for someone to slip up and divulge their investigative role so that he can kill more investigators? If it's that latter, then I guess suggs already did the work for him.

Anyway, FOS KiwiTaker.

nagerous · Post by **nagerous** » Thu Mar 20, 2008 9:58 am

To be honest suggs, if there is a day killer around I doubt doctor protection will extend until the day so maybe it was a bad idea that you claimed.

suggs · Post by **suggs** » Thu Mar 20, 2008 9:58 am

So, assuming I'm not killed, who should i track tonight?

nagerous · Post by **nagerous** » Thu Mar 20, 2008 9:59 am

Thats up to you to decide.

FiveThreeEight · Post by **FiveThreeEight** » Thu Mar 20, 2008 10:26 am

Whoever you decide to track, I would make it known to us all. If you end up dead, then we might have something to go on.

mr. incrediball · Post by **mr. incrediball** » Thu Mar 20, 2008 10:40 am

sam_levi_11 wrote:if someone has a death note they are scum?

*quickly hides death note behind back* hope not...

anyway, sierra, i'm not sure if i speak for everyone, but i'm pretty sure someone had already mentioned bandits when mandy made their first "scummy" post.

also, changing your mind about how many scum groups there are is the whole bloody point! you wouldn't ask if they were working in unison, because you'd bloody well know!

nagerous · Post by **nagerous** » Thu Mar 20, 2008 10:41 am

FiveThreeEight wrote:Whoever you decide to track, I would make it known to us all. If you end up dead, then we might have something to go on.

Not a good idea, will just result in the un-necessary pushing against a potential innocent.

browng-08 · Post by **browng-08** » Thu Mar 20, 2008 10:58 am

Ok. There seems to be a hellof a lot of confusion towards the plot of Death Note. Let me summarize:
Light Yagami is a student who finds a Death Note, which is a book that allows him to kill by writing in the target's full name and picturing their face. The target dies of whatever cause that is written, or by default, from a heart attack. (PS- Heart attacks are used most of the time by Light) The Death Note belongs to a Shinigami (PS- Shinigami are not necessarily aligned with the Death Note users. In the end of the manga, Ryuk betrays Light. Shinigami may be scum or 3rd party), who is visible only to those that have touched the Death Note. Light decides to try to make the world a better place by killing off all the major criminals and using the fear of death to deter future criminals. His eventual goal is an utopian world without any crimes, which he would rule over as God. (PS- Even though his goal starts out noble, he loses control over his ego, and starts manipulating and killing innocent people to achieve it, and is, in fact, transformed into the kind of person he fights against. Light is undoubtably scum.) The Police, naturally get suspicious of the mass criminal heart attacks, and eventually come to the conclusion that someone is killing them off. They meet internationally, and start to work together to stop Kira (the name dubbed by Japanese people for the person behind the killings, Kira is seen as a God, or a murderer, depending on the point-of-view. Kira=Light, and anyone else killing for his goals). Interpol decides to enlist the help of world-renowned detective, L, who keeps his identity a secret. L is a genius savant, who proves to be a match for Light. After many confrontations, he narrows down the supect list. Meanwhile, another shinigami (Rem) has come to Earth, and has given away her Death Note. The new owner is Misa Amane, who becomes infatuated with Kira when Kira (unwittingly) executes her parents' killer. She seeks out and finds Light, using the Death Note and by pretending to be Kira. When she finds Light, she is hopelessly in love with him, but he only sees here as a tool. She has traded half of her natural lifespan for the "Shinigami's eyes", an ability to automaically see a person's name when seeing their face (PS- this is useful for those with a death note, because they need the full and correct name to kill. Pseudonyms are useless. Masks are similarly effective.) Light pretends to love Misa in order to use her for her ability. Eventually, L has determined that Light and Misa are Kira (Misa is refered to as "the second Kira") He locks them up, so that he may test if the killings stop. Light has anticipated this, so he has Ryuk deliver a Note to another person, to continue the killings.

That takes care of the first bit of the story. i'll contine the rest later.

Sierra_Leon · Post by **Sierra_Leon** » Thu Mar 20, 2008 11:02 am

Mafia groups might have a choice in who they let their killing do, so it's best if suggs makes up his own mind about who to track and only reveals his results the next day if he thinks it's important.

Back to mandyb now.

mandyb wrote:Well yet again it seems I'm acting scummy because I post too much! It got me killed in my first mafia game (the one before this). I was town in that one too but because of my over zealous posting and the mafia staying quiet, I was the eventual choice.

The reason I think you're scum is not because of how many times you posted, it's because of what you posted. I believe I even said I was happy with your posting frequency, so where on earth are you getting that I voted you because you posted often?

mandyb wrote:
Not much grabbed my attention except for two posts that sounded a little too much like someone who wanted to appear ignorant of the setup,
sorry to dissappoint, but I'm NOT a mafia mastermind - as much as it pains me to tell, I was ignorant of the set up at that stage and am not much wiser now!

I know you're fairly new with mafia, but definitely not a n00b. I don't know how many games you've played or are playing in know, but this is not your first game. I think you were asking those questions to appear more like a ignorant townie, so nobody would suspect you.

mandyb wrote:First of all:
mandyb wrote:
just to clarify...
light is out to get the bad guys and any good guys that get in the way?
then light is 'mafia'
bad guys are 'bandits'
good guys are 'town' ??
sorry if I'm being thick - just unsure of this storyline
this is just me trying to simpify things for myself - although I am now in 2 mafia, my first was, it appears a much simpler game involving the 3 groups (mafia, scum and town) I was not sure at the start of this game what groups were what or even if light was bad - I still haven't looked for the story on line and was hoping for some help separating the groups - simple as that.
So that's where I got the word 'bandit' from.

I doesn't explain the word ' bandit'. It wasn't used in any other games you played in, right? So I suspect it is mentioned in your role PM. Is it?

mandyb wrote:
your second point:
mandyb wrote:
baggins994 wrote:
baggins994 wrote:
mandyb wrote:
just to clarify...
light is out to get the bad guys and any good guys that get in the way?
then light is 'mafia'
bad guys are 'bandits'
good guys are 'town' ??
sorry if I'm being thick - just unsure of this storyline

I think light is the leader of the bad guys, so they're all mafia, and the good guys are town.

Therefore, there are no bandits, the "Bandits" in mandys posts are part of lights mafia

but kira/light kills the 'bad' guys too, at least according to this:
Quote:
Lately there have been an extreme increase in the deaths of violent criminals, starting in japan, though quickly spreading to notorious criminals around the globe , notably almost all die of heart attack, though some didn't seem to be themselves and made out very suspicious suicide notes.

so there must be more than just two groups - is this something our mod can expound on?

Again, you're speculating about there being multiple scum groups. Why is it important to know this on day 1 if you are town? For scum ofcourse, it's very important to know whether you should be hunting for other scum or just laying low.
Again I was just trying to get the story clear - light kills the bad guys, according to the story - some good cops are also 'pro light' and some are against light. Getting as much information about this game as possible is all I was after. That is what posting is about - to gather information. There was some speculation as to how many groups were involved in this game - I was hoping to find out if this game resembled the other game I have played.

Besides you playing the ignorant townie, my point on this remains that on day 1 it's much more important for scum to know what they're up against than it is for town, because scum need to decide if they should scum-hunt actively or try to law low.

mandyb wrote:
point three:
Then, day 2 arrives. Now don't get me wrong, I'm very happy with mandyb posting frequently, but again it reeks (sp?) of scum.
mandyb wrote:
Two death notes? Wouldn't that be terribly one-sided?

Eh? Suddenly you don't think there could be multiple scum groups anymore? What changed your mind?
Here I'm responding to someones suggestion that there are two death notes. People seem to be dropping very quickly here - day and night - if there were two death notes as well as multiple scum groups it would seem very unfair. People dying during the day phase is something I hadn't realized could happen.

Interesting. I figured the scum groups would hold the death notes, but you seem to know otherwise. Care to explain how you would know about this unless you're scum without a death note or 3rd party holding a death note yourself?

mandyb wrote:next point:
mandyb wrote:
if there are 2 death notes, will they be working in unison?

No wait, you swapped back to your original opinion: there could be two death notes. But now you start speculating about their connection.
I'm asking questions! Someone, can't remember who, suggested 2 death notes - what's wrong with asking if they are working as a team? Those of you who know the story may have been able to help. If there are 2 death notes and they are working seperatly wouldn't that be good to know about?

The question you asked about the death notes working in unison doesn't sound like a question that you would actually hope to get answered. Who could answer it for you except for scum? It sounds more like a question you asked to make it very clear to the town that you have absolutely no clue about how the death notes work. Right....

mandyb wrote:your final point:
I did not ask people to role claim. Look back and you'll see that kiwitaker asked for information about the night before I did - I was simply echoing that. Looks like things are moving pretty fast in this game - we're going to have to move fast too - more info the better.
As for suggs role claim - was it so stupid? We know his role and he can pass on useful information as well as be protected. Maybe he can get role blocked, but with scum attention on him, maybe other 'town' can get further in their investigation.
You've obviously played a fair few games but again, just because I've posted a lot and asked some probably ignorant questions, doesn't mean I'm scum! I'm NOT scum - I'm an utter noob at mafia, that's all!

Kiwi did the same? In that case, FOS kiwi. However, someone doing something scummy before you does not clear your name by the least.
About suggs's roleclaim: if you read nagerous's posts you should agree it was not the smartest thing to do.
And concerning your cries of "I'm just a n00biew00bie how could I be scum?!": get real. It's not working for you.

mandyb wrote:Frequent posting is what everyone should be doing - although it does get rather disheartening when you get accused of being scum because of it.
Sorry this has been such a huge post - but sierra asked me to respond to each point and I have.

Yes, thank you very much for your input. I hope you'll be replying to this post too.

PS: I noticed in the Preview window that according to mr. incrediball, mandyb wasn't the first to use the word 'bandits'. Could you point me to that post, MIB?

mr. incrediball · Post by **mr. incrediball** » Thu Mar 20, 2008 11:11 am

Sierra_Leon wrote: PS: I noticed in the Preview window that according to mr. incrediball, mandyb wasn't the first to use the word 'bandits'. Could you point me to that post, MIB?

ah yes. i've just read back and it turns out i was wrong. my mistake.

sam_levi_11 · Post by **sam_levi_11** » Thu Mar 20, 2008 11:13 am

that doesnt answer my question, if you have a note are you scum, cos i dont know whats happenin here

nagerous · Post by **nagerous** » Thu Mar 20, 2008 11:14 am

Why do you have a lead sam?

Or are you unsure about whether you are scum yourself for you have the death note?

FOS and I'm tempted to swing a vote your way...