Judge Allows Expulsion For Religious Beliefs

[Snorri1234]

She did not refuse services to homosexuals. She was told that counseling according to her religious code of ethics would conflict with the school's curricullum and so she reassigned the cases. She did not refuse services to anyone.

For real? The reassigning of the cases is the violation. It's not allowed. She's obligated to counsel homosexuals, not according to the schools curriculum but according to the ACA's code of ethics.

There you go again with the pulling whatnot out of your ass when (as Nightstrike just made perfectly clear) you don't know whathefuck you're talking about. The ACA's code of ethics allows for referrals. Period. I do not counsel teenage girls. Teenage girls are bizarre creatures and i don't have the foggiestfuckingidea as to what makes them tick. For me to counsel a teenage girl would be a farce and a fraud, so i pass. I am not only within my rights to do this, i am being professionally responsible.

Do you understand the difference between referring because a certain persons' problems don't fall within your expertise and referring them because of your personal beliefs about them? It's perfectly alright to refer someone who has deep-seated problems with his homosexuality to another counselor who you know has much more experience with this kind of thing. I'd say that would actually be the best thing to do.

But you can't do it for personal beliefs. If you counsel a gay person who'se gayness is not related to their problem in the slightest you can't refer them for being gay.

As a religious counselor she would counsel according to her religious beliefs, so how could she keep them to herself? You've completely ignored my point on this, which is understandable as it completely topples your house of cards.

A religious counselor is a legal profession in this country and they have to be certified and licensed by a publicly accredited school. These schools take into consideration that the student will be counseling along religious lines and adjust the student's curricullum accorrdingly. This time they did not. They are now making it clear that you can no longer be a Christian Counselor if you don't accept homosexuality as a legitimate lifestyle and counsel accordingly.

Dude, this is not a religious counseling program. If it was your point would be completely valid, but it's not the case. The school is not obligated to cater to religious beliefs. They are allowed to, and there are certainly still schools which will give you Christian Counseling courses. The ACA is not a licensure board.

[b.k. barunt]

I'm asking the same questions over and over again and getting the same evasive nonanswers. You cannot legally force a counselor to accept homosexuality as normal and counsel accordingly. Not without violating freedom of religion.

Homosexuality is still viewed by many psychologists and psychiatrists as an unhealthy neurosis. The "nevermindit'sOKnow" ruling in 1973 was in response to intensive lobbying by the Gay/Lesbian PAC. We have allowed a special interest group to amend our mental health definitions and now they're pushing to legally suppress all dissent. Waddacuntry!


Honibaz

[Snorri1234]

I'm asking the same questions over and over again and getting the same evasive nonanswers. You cannot legally force a counselor to accept homosexuality as normal and counsel accordingly. Not without violating freedom of religion.

She's not forced. She can decline to do it.

But the law says that in that case the school is perfectly within it's rights to tell her she can't get her degree. Religous beliefs don't give you the right to refuse to do required work.

[PLAYER57832]

I'm asking the same questions over and over again and getting the same evasive nonanswers. You cannot legally force a counselor to accept homosexuality as normal and counsel accordingly. Not without violating freedom of religion.

To a point, true. Just as a medical program discriminates against Jehovah's Witnesses and Christian Science practitioners. Other people's safety and rights trump religion.

Of course, as many have said, there is the option of a religiously based counseling program. Many such are accepted by various states. This program was not one.

Homosexuality is still viewed by many psychologists and psychiatrists as an unhealthy neurosis. The "nevermindit'sOKnow" ruling in 1973 was in response to intensive lobbying by the Gay/Lesbian PAC. We have allowed a special interest group to amend our mental health definitions and now they're pushing to legally suppress all dissent. Waddacuntry!

That is your take on it, your belief.

Most of the world says that around 1973 the psycological associations decided that evidence had shown fears about homosexuals were largely unfounded and that there was no reason to consider it a nuerosis. Some, of course, still disagreed on religious grounds, but nuerosis and psycosis are not assigned to people who simply don't agree with your or my religion.

[Night Strike]

To verify this, I googled ACA and got their website, with a link to the ethics section. Strange thing is, what I found is not what you claim they say.

The document was a pdf file, so I don't know how to give a link. However, here is the ACA, ethics link with both a llink to the "layperson's guide" and to the .

Thank you for completely ignoring my post a couple pages ago where I linked to the PDF and quoted the applicable sections.

[ViperOverLord]

I'm asking the same questions over and over again and getting the same evasive nonanswers. You cannot legally force a counselor to accept homosexuality as normal and counsel accordingly. Not without violating freedom of religion.

Homosexuality is still viewed by many psychologists and psychiatrists as an unhealthy neurosis. The "nevermindit'sOKnow" ruling in 1973 was in response to intensive lobbying by the Gay/Lesbian PAC. We have allowed a special interest group to amend our mental health definitions and now they're pushing to legally suppress all dissent. Waddacuntry!


Honibaz

Private pscychologists that believe homosexuality to be a neurosis or a symptom of a neurosis are up front and work with patients who themselves believe it is also a neurosis. Otherwise they can refer the case. I think you are sensationalizing the issue.

[ViperOverLord]

Homosexuality is still viewed by many psychologists and psychiatrists as an unhealthy neurosis. The "nevermindit'sOKnow" ruling in 1973 was in response to intensive lobbying by the Gay/Lesbian PAC. We have allowed a special interest group to amend our mental health definitions and now they're pushing to legally suppress all dissent. Waddacuntry!

That is your take on it, your belief.

Most of the world says that around 1973 the psycological associations decided that evidence had shown fears about homosexuals were largely unfounded and that there was no reason to consider it a nuerosis. Some, of course, still disagreed on religious grounds, but nuerosis and psycosis are not assigned to people who simply don't agree with your or my religion.

It's unfortunate that you constantly assume that those that disagree with you are on some sort of religious crusade. The simple truth of the matter is that many Americans find homosexuality to wrong based on their own moral compass.

[b.k. barunt]

Private pscychologists that believe homosexuality to be a neurosis or a symptom of a neurosis are up front and work with patients who themselves believe it is also a neurosis. Otherwise they can refer the case. I think you are sensationalizing the issue.

Damn. This one's so wrapped up in his own opinions he has nofuckingidea what's going on around him.

This thread is about a student who got expelled because she referred cases genius - are you completely devoid of reading comprehension skills? Never mind, rhetorical question that.


Honibaz

[jonesthecurl]

I'm asking the same questions over and over again and getting the same evasive nonanswers. You cannot legally force a counselor to accept homosexuality as normal and counsel accordingly. Not without violating freedom of religion.

Homosexuality is still viewed by many psychologists and psychiatrists as an unhealthy neurosis. The "nevermindit'sOKnow" ruling in 1973 was in response to intensive lobbying by the Gay/Lesbian PAC. We have allowed a special interest group to amend our mental health definitions and now they're pushing to legally suppress all dissent. Waddacuntry!


Honibaz

Private pscychologists that believe homosexuality to be a neurosis or a symptom of a neurosis are up front and work with patients who themselves believe it is also a neurosis. Otherwise they can refer the case. I think you are sensationalizing the issue.

Or just maybe the person who is sensationalising the issue is the one who started the thread?
Just a possibility.