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[jeraado]

I agree with the post above. Mr S started the herk bandwagon and drew finished it. Based on what I have seen of herk's play in other games I think that it is worth considering that he may know something so FOS Mr Squirrel

But IMO drewdude has been the scummiest so far so vote drewdude

Just one thing - if it comes to a claim lets make sure we properly consider it before we go to a lynch

[aage]

This is why you all should have voted Mr. Squirrel. I know for a fact he is mafia because of my role PM... Should have listened...

Blacklisted.

I see no reason why TheHerkMan would know if Mr. S is mafia.
1) he's a roleblocker. Means he can block, not that he gets knowledge of other players.
2) he didn't tell right away. If I got the name of scum and I weren't masoned with him he'd be dead already.
3) it's THM and I suspect he is just trying to get anyone killed who is iho doing evil stuff. Such as suspecting him. Or lynching him.

13 alive, 7 to lynch I guess?
In that case another vote drewdude doesn't hurt...

[FloresDelMal]

This is why you all should have voted Mr. Squirrel. I know for a fact he is mafia because of my role PM... Should have listened...

Blacklisted.

I see no reason why TheHerkMan would know if Mr. S is mafia.
1) he's a roleblocker. Means he can block, not that he gets knowledge of other players.
2) he didn't tell right away. If I got the name of scum and I weren't masoned with him he'd be dead already.
3) it's THM and I suspect he is just trying to get anyone killed who is iho doing evil stuff. Such as suspecting him. Or lynching him.

13 alive, 7 to lynch I guess?
In that case another vote drewdude doesn't hurt...

i do see from where you are going, and i think you are most likely right, but in the very marginal case that the herk wasn't OMGUSing could be cool if an investigative role target Mr. Squirrel tonight, better safe than sorry.

[spiesr]

I don't want to throw my vote on a bandwagon that I feel is a little too fast this early in the day just yet, but I do have some questions for DrewDude here:

"Improve your defense right now", by possibly lynching a roe-blocker that is town aligned? Doesn't mix very well once you think about it. On the other hand, I'd rather not waste any more time than needed so I will go along with herk.

Are you aware that most of the people were asking for theherkman to improve his defenses, not you. I am fairly certain that no-one told to you to defended yourself by voting for theherkman, or as you put it "possibly lynching a roe-blocker that is town aligned." Why did you then decide to pursue this course of action? Surely no one was forcing you to do it, so you can't lay the blame there....

[Mr. Squirrel]

Hopefully everyone will recognize that herk was being a sore loser and just trying to lynch me out of petty revenge. If you want to investigate me though, go ahead. Its the cop's call.

Drewdude has enough votes on him so I won't hop on his BW however I fear we might be chasing what is simply an ignorant mistake. He is new so he might not be so accustomed to how our mafia games are set up. Its worth checking out though. I'm going to read back later though to see if I can find anyone else acting scummy.

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Vote count

DrewDude 5 Votes: FloresDelMal, Victor Sullivan, Haggis_McMutton, jeraado, aage

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch

[safariguy5]

I'd like to hear a claim before I decide to vote or not.

[DrewDude]

I'm back and it seems people are once again facing my direction as a nice candidate to lynch. Take a good look at those who've been band-wagoning herk and I. I'd bet you'd find the scum votes within them if you looked hard enough. Being inconsistent even when I said I loved being scummy? Sounds like a waste of oxygen to have such a conversation. Instead of looking at the most obvious people you should take a look at who's using the obvious people as a shield. Now did I throw Herk under the bus? Yes. Would my vote have changed much if I didn't vote for him? Probably not. Like I said i'm not a fan of wasting time so if you wish to know anymore about me before a lynch occurs feel free to ask. You should investigate more before you decide to put the noose around my neck.

For my vote I'll go for the person that voted me first for this day.

Vote FloresDelMal

[Fircoal]

Ouchie!!! I can't see!!! All the weak bandwagonning as hurt mah eyes!!!!!! D: What one liner with no actual evidence or base in the game, that hasn't been said yet, will be said next? I'm scared to find out!!! O.O

Super FOS: Victor, Haggis, Jereddo, Aage I wish I could vote all of you. But sadly I can't D:

[jeraado]

So, fircoal is also one of those who ran the speed-lynch of herk, yet somehow the case for drewdude is weak? FOS fircoal

[Fircoal]

So, fircoal is also one of those who ran the speed-lynch of herk, yet somehow the case for drewdude is weak? FOS fircoal

I ran the speed lynch of Herk? Um no, I do believe that I voted for Herk early on and never unvoted. The two are different.

[jeraado]

Sorry, ran was the wrong word, should have been 'contributed to'

I just find it ... interesting that you think the reasons for lynching herk were sound but you find the reasons for voting drew to be suspect

[spiesr]

I'm back and it seems people are once again facing my direction as a nice candidate to lynch. Take a good look at those who've been band-wagoning herk and I. I'd bet you'd find the scum votes within them if you looked hard enough. Being inconsistent even when I said I loved being scummy? Sounds like a waste of oxygen to have such a conversation. Instead of looking at the most obvious people you should take a look at who's using the obvious people as a shield. Now did I throw Herk under the bus? Yes. Would my vote have changed much if I didn't vote for him? Probably not. Like I said i'm not a fan of wasting time so if you wish to know anymore about me before a lynch occurs feel free to ask. You should investigate more before you decide to put the noose around my neck.
For my vote I'll go for the person that voted me first for this day.

While the wagon on you has most likely has moved too fast and it is also likely that at least one of the people who has voted for you, none of this changes the fact that there is an actual case against you. You need to provide some sort of actual defense in this situation. At the very least some sort of real explanation of your actions is merited. The case, while definitely not the strongest, can be simply dismissed by saying "oh yeah, I acted scummy, but that is normal, so there is no point in discussing it." We need to discuss things such as this, that is how we move forward. If we don't have such discussions then we can't build real cases and will end having nothing to work with other than the potential cop investigations. As far as what you have suggested, it is really just OMGUS. Your only stated reason for voting for flores is that she voted for you. This is a poor case at best and a potential scum-tell at worst.

[Haggis_McMutton]

Ouchie!!! I can't see!!! All the weak bandwagonning as hurt mah eyes!!!!!! D: What one liner with no actual evidence or base in the game, that hasn't been said yet, will be said next? I'm scared to find out!!! O.O

Super FOS: Victor, Haggis, Jereddo, Aage I wish I could vote all of you. But sadly I can't D:

This is your response to a guy saying:

"Yeah, I acted scummy, but I always act scummy. Anyway here's an OMGUS vote"

Interesting ...

[safariguy5]

Ouchie!!! I can't see!!! All the weak bandwagonning as hurt mah eyes!!!!!! D: What one liner with no actual evidence or base in the game, that hasn't been said yet, will be said next? I'm scared to find out!!! O.O

Super FOS: Victor, Haggis, Jereddo, Aage I wish I could vote all of you. But sadly I can't D:

This is your response to a guy saying:

"Yeah, I acted scummy, but I always act scummy. Anyway here's an OMGUS vote"

Interesting ...

I don't see how this is weak bandwagonning when Drew has basically been scumarining most of the game. You can't hide behind the veil of "I'm still learning the ropes I have nothing to contribute" forever. Everyone has an opinion Drew. I'm not saying you need to be Sherlock Holmes, but some active argument for/against lynching people or building a case against someone shows involvement.

Besides, it's much better to always act townie than act scummy. You tend to live longer that way.

[Fircoal]

Ouchie!!! I can't see!!! All the weak bandwagonning as hurt mah eyes!!!!!! D: What one liner with no actual evidence or base in the game, that hasn't been said yet, will be said next? I'm scared to find out!!! O.O

Super FOS: Victor, Haggis, Jereddo, Aage I wish I could vote all of you. But sadly I can't D:

This is your response to a guy saying:

"Yeah, I acted scummy, but I always act scummy. Anyway here's an OMGUS vote"

Interesting ...

He's new. I personally think that his actions make sense for being a new player, or at least to me. I don't want to make the defense for him, he does need to learn how to play, but there is a defense there. And it's still weak bandwagonning. I understand Flores voting for him, and Victor too if his post wasn't so... Victor like. But the rate that the votes piled up on him with the lack of input said besides that what he did was bad does scare me. It's been made into a great place for scum to fall their vote in.

[Fircoal]

Ouchie!!! I can't see!!! All the weak bandwagonning as hurt mah eyes!!!!!! D: What one liner with no actual evidence or base in the game, that hasn't been said yet, will be said next? I'm scared to find out!!! O.O

Super FOS: Victor, Haggis, Jereddo, Aage I wish I could vote all of you. But sadly I can't D:

This is your response to a guy saying:

"Yeah, I acted scummy, but I always act scummy. Anyway here's an OMGUS vote"

Interesting ...

I don't see how this is weak bandwagonning when Drew has basically been scumarining most of the game.

wait. what?

[ga7]

Woah this wagon was so scummy it even looks like a mafia ploy. Gonna read up now...

[aage]

So now there's Fircoal and Frenchie claiming that Drewdude is scummy because he's a noob?

"Hey I'm new here and I act scummy so don't lynch me kthnxbai"
Is that what you would say if you were a noob? All the guy is saying is " *scummy things* oh and im a noob so don't lynch me". And among the "scummy things" there defenitely isn't stuff that a noob would use to try and contribute. Look at this, a post from day 1:

I can't say I've played any games with other people on here but what I like to do is a thing called act scummy. It without a doubt gets me lynched a lot but over time people accept my ways or they can vote me constantly and suffer if I'm on there side as a power role. As for our current circumstances I say it's best if we all just random lynch or do a no lynch.

The guy actually suggests a random lynch and a no lynch in the same post. If TheHerkMan hadn't played in this game he probably would already have been lynched on day 1. Why are you so reluctant on this day?

[Mr. Squirrel]

But the rate that the votes piled up on him with the lack of input said besides that what he did was bad does scare me. It's been made into a great place for scum to fall their vote in.

Agreed. Theres a case here, but it hardly warrants the number of votes that drew has. The only time a BW like this should ever form this quickly is when a cop claims and accuses someone. I agree that drew has some answers he needs to give, but its nowhere near deserving of as many votes as he has.

[jeraado]

Again, I can't understand why herk's bw (which ran about as quickly as this one) was legit and yet this one is suspect. Drew is way scummier than herk was (and you started that one mr squirrel).

Also (posting so I don't forget) Fircoal - how come you FOSed everyone who has voted drew except flores?

But most importantly, drew ... wtf? You claim that you like to act scummy, which gets you lynched a lot. That kinda discounts fircoal's theory that its noobiness, so care to explain? I think you're at l-2 so saying that this discussion is 'a waste of oxygen' doesn't really fly at the moment

[Fircoal]

So now there's Fircoal and Frenchie claiming that Drewdude is scummy because he's a noob?

"Hey I'm new here and I act scummy so don't lynch me kthnxbai"
Is that what you would say if you were a noob? All the guy is saying is " *scummy things* oh and im a noob so don't lynch me". And among the "scummy things" there defenitely isn't stuff that a noob would use to try and contribute. Look at this, a post from day 1:

I can't say I've played any games with other people on here but what I like to do is a thing called act scummy. It without a doubt gets me lynched a lot but over time people accept my ways or they can vote me constantly and suffer if I'm on there side as a power role. As for our current circumstances I say it's best if we all just random lynch or do a no lynch.

The guy actually suggests a random lynch and a no lynch in the same post. If TheHerkMan hadn't played in this game he probably would already have been lynched on day 1. Why are you so reluctant on this day?

Have you ever seen how many silleh suggestions that noobs have came up with. The convo after that post suggested that he started to get the idea that those are bad and that is good progress.
As for me as a noob. That was a good 4 years ago, I can't remember that far back. I can only hypothesize on how other noobs will act.

[Fircoal]

Again, I can't understand why herk's bw (which ran about as quickly as this one) was legit and yet this one is suspect. Drew is way scummier than herk was (and you started that one mr squirrel).

Also (posting so I don't forget) Fircoal - how come you FOSed everyone who has voted drew except flores?

Because while I don't believe Drew to be scum, there is some sort of a case there. Not one that deserves 5 straight votes in a row, or can be talked about saying "you know what you did," but a case. 3-5 slots are prime for scum bandwagoners. And the rate that you guys jumped onto it seems very suspect. I normally wouldn't include the 2 slot, Victor, but his post didn't grab me right.

[ga7]

So now there's Fircoal and Frenchie claiming that Drewdude is scummy because he's a noob?

Woah this wagon was so scummy it even looks like a mafia ploy. Gonna read up now...

Reading problems?

[safariguy5]

So now there's Fircoal and Frenchie claiming that Drewdude is scummy because he's a noob?

Woah this wagon was so scummy it even looks like a mafia ploy. Gonna read up now...

Reading problems?

True, Fir was the only one claiming he wasn't scummy or at least not warranting a bandwagon. The fact remains though that Drew can't expect to post once every 2 or so pages and expect to get by.