PKMN Chap 2: Day 6(5/18)

[zimmah]

I don't think Zimmah has skimmed. I just find his case fairly irrational. It seems pretty obvious that Freezie was poking fun at himself for the miller claim from the first Pokemon game. There's really not much beyond that to examine but Zimmah's making a case out of it.

@Iron Butterfly: When you say Jonty do you mean Freezie?

exactly, we can disagree on that point, but that doesn't mean either of us skimmed. claiming that i skimmed just because one disagrees with me, is pretty suspicious on it's own.

[pancakemix]

Zimmah, I think the actual problem with your case on freezie is that it relies on him having incentive as mafia (a point on which there is no evidence to suggest) to appeal back to that claim should he be investigated. The thing is, he won't. Because it was a joke. And you know this. Yet you insist on pushing this and all you have done is called the ire of the town upon yourself.

I will grant you, however, that it does appear that jonty skimmed.

[pmchugh]

The bandwagon on jonty IS the joke.

I see Zimmah has his logic cap working "I didnt skim. Your the one that skimmed."

The written word can be interpreted in a number of ways depending on whose reading it. With the number of players in this game I am not surprised that jonty has been bandwagoned so quickly as the Mafia ratio should be fairly high as well. I would think at this point someone in the jonty wagon is mafia.

Thats just my opinion and how I like to scumhunt.

Once again sorry for not being more active but my computer is out till Monday or Tuesday.

Now this is the second time I have heard something like this being said about wagons in two different games and I don't get it. Three of the four were joke votes and the bandwagon is so small it can barely be called such. What purpose would there be for a member of the mafia to join it?

People are so desperate to narrow the width of their search to a manageable amount of players they do it on seemingly random reasons.

[zimmah]

funny, im MLP people call me out for not participating enough, and here they complain that the cases are too random..

whatever i do, it never seems to be good enough, so might as well do nothing.

[TA1LGUNN3R]

funny, im MLP people call me out for not participating enough, and here they complain that the cases are too random..

whatever i do, it never seems to be good enough, so might as well do nothing.

lawlz. It's not that the case was random, it's that it doesn't have much merit.

-Tails

[kratos644]

Wow this thread has pretty much exploded. Unfortunately only being day one the cases we have are very limited but right now the best one certainly seems to be on zimmah. He has tried to make something out of nothing with the whole freezie joke.
The fact that freezie chose to claim Spearow which was the exact same pokemon freezie had in the last pokemon mafia furthers the proof that it was just a joke. Why zimmah is so bent on turning this into something is the only thing that really strikes me as suspicious so far.

[strike wolf]

funny, im MLP people call me out for not participating enough, and here they complain that the cases are too random..

whatever i do, it never seems to be good enough, so might as well do nothing.

Everyone gets called out now and then as town and non-town. It's part of the game. I'm still called out at some point in most of my games. As far as playstyle, a lot of it comes with experience. I'd rather see someone though who posts once every few days and always has something both constructive and well thought out to say than someone who posts twice a day but comes out with crazy cases.

[Iron Butterfly]

funny, im MLP people call me out for not participating enough, and here they complain that the cases are too random..

whatever i do, it never seems to be good enough, so might as well do nothing.

Have you considered that it may be how you decide to participate and the logic involved?

It's only page 14 and your already pouting?

[pmchugh]

funny, im MLP people call me out for not participating enough, and here they complain that the cases are too random..

whatever i do, it never seems to be good enough, so might as well do nothing.

Everyone gets called out now and then as town and non-town. It's part of the game. I'm still called out at some point in most of my games. As far as playstyle, a lot of it comes with experience. I'd rather see someone though who posts once every few days and always has something both constructive and well thought out to say than someone who posts twice a day but comes out with crazy cases.

I would go further and say, its good when a case is brought against you this early on day 1. If I don't get accused of being suspicious within 15 pages of day 1 I start wondering what is wrong. I guess I know how to defend myself and attack other people because I envy your position right now. There are plenty of people who look rather suspicious in the way they have slowly egged this case on without having the guts to throw a vote in and the chances are you wont get lynched over something so small unless a deadline comes around.

However none of this excuses you, can you please explain your train of thought because I still do not follow. If you think it wasn't a joke does that mean you believe freezie genuinely claimed miller?

[shieldgenerator7]

Yeah zimmah sometimes you get bandwagoned and such. It happens. SOmetimes it's hard to take the pressure and sometimes it isn't. (I know I crack under pressure sometimes, just look at Power Role. well ok maybe that's not the best example)

Actually right now I believe zimmah to be town, but I do think his case on freezie for a joke is rather scummy. I'd be willing to join his BW if we got no other case today but as for right now I'll try to pursue another case. (I don't see any right now so we'll have to wait and see).


*boy AppleBloom looks weird in that screenshot

-SG7 ( )

[strike wolf]

Ahh a classic "I don't think he's scum but his action was scummy. I'll watch the bandwagon but only vote if nothing else comes up" post

[pmchugh]

Ahh a classic "I don't think he's scum but his action was scummy. I'll watch the bandwagon but only vote if nothing else comes up" post

vote shield

For the attempted town tell that just sounded like he was scared to commit to either opinion.

[edocsil]

Ahh a classic "I don't think he's scum but his action was scummy. I'll watch the bandwagon but only vote if nothing else comes up" post

vote shield

For the attempted town tell that just sounded like he was scared to commit to either opinion.

Yeah, I am not quite finished with Zimmah yet, but here is shield being non committal again. PCM, your action does reduce pressure on Zimmah, and I would like that noted as well.

[freezie]

note how i said that knew it was SUPPOSED TO BE (=LOOK LIKE) A joke, but I DO NOT BELIEVE it was ACTUALLY a joke. i never said that i didn't read it well enough and i never appaired to skim. if you truly believe i skimmed, you're the one skimming, as if you'd take the time to actually read what i said, it'd be obvious that i did my research. just because we don't agree doesn't mean i didn't read everything.

So, you know it's supposed to be a joke ( the miller claim ) but you don't beleive I was really joking about my claim. So, you beleive I am really a miller. So you're voting me for beleive my town role?

I know, that's twisting your words, as you wouldn't beleive a miller claim. Nor would I. But really, I know better than to claim miller as mafia, especially on day 1. As everyone pointed out, spearow--town miller, was my role in the first pokemon game, and the very first post I did was to burst down the joke phase by claiming it ( rightfully )

No, I did not really claim here. But the way you're going at me...I don't think you're scum¸. That'd be such a hugely risky and stupid move. Maybe lyncher? That'd make more sense.

However beleive I actually claimed miller as scum to hide it on day 1 with a small jokewagon on me is..Illogical at best.

[zimmah]

note how i said that knew it was SUPPOSED TO BE (=LOOK LIKE) A joke, but I DO NOT BELIEVE it was ACTUALLY a joke. i never said that i didn't read it well enough and i never appaired to skim. if you truly believe i skimmed, you're the one skimming, as if you'd take the time to actually read what i said, it'd be obvious that i did my research. just because we don't agree doesn't mean i didn't read everything.

So, you know it's supposed to be a joke ( the miller claim ) but you don't beleive I was really joking about my claim. So, you beleive I am really a miller. So you're voting me for beleive my town role?

I know, that's twisting your words, as you wouldn't beleive a miller claim. Nor would I. But really, I know better than to claim miller as mafia, especially on day 1. As everyone pointed out, spearow--town miller, was my role in the first pokemon game, and the very first post I did was to burst down the joke phase by claiming it ( rightfully )

No, I did not really claim here. But the way you're going at me...I don't think you're scum¸. That'd be such a hugely risky and stupid move. Maybe lyncher? That'd make more sense.

However beleive I actually claimed miller as scum to hide it on day 1 with a small jokewagon on me is..Illogical at best.

yes but you may just do all of this to create a clever cover for later in the game and hide behind it. and i'm not going to allow that to happen that easily.

[shieldgenerator7]

non-comittal? ha.

I just took sides by saying I think zimmah is town, and by not voting for him

[pmchugh]

Ahh a classic "I don't think he's scum but his action was scummy. I'll watch the bandwagon but only vote if nothing else comes up" post

vote shield

For the attempted town tell that just sounded like he was scared to commit to either opinion.

Yeah, I am not quite finished with Zimmah yet, but here is shield being non committal again. PMC, your action does reduce pressure on Zimmah, and I would like that noted as well.

Why? Why is it remotely important that I keep the pressure on zimmah (every other play in the game seems to be doing a fair job of that) and why is it important to note that I did it?

non-comittal? ha.

I just took sides by saying I think zimmah is town, and by not voting for him

You said you thought he was town but you were willing to vote for him if nothing better comes along. There is a clear benefit to this for mafia, they can BW and lynch someone and then later claim that they thought it was wrong anyway therefore absolving themselves of the real blame for the lynch.

[freezie]

note how i said that knew it was SUPPOSED TO BE (=LOOK LIKE) A joke, but I DO NOT BELIEVE it was ACTUALLY a joke. i never said that i didn't read it well enough and i never appaired to skim. if you truly believe i skimmed, you're the one skimming, as if you'd take the time to actually read what i said, it'd be obvious that i did my research. just because we don't agree doesn't mean i didn't read everything.

So, you know it's supposed to be a joke ( the miller claim ) but you don't beleive I was really joking about my claim. So, you beleive I am really a miller. So you're voting me for beleive my town role?

I know, that's twisting your words, as you wouldn't beleive a miller claim. Nor would I. But really, I know better than to claim miller as mafia, especially on day 1. As everyone pointed out, spearow--town miller, was my role in the first pokemon game, and the very first post I did was to burst down the joke phase by claiming it ( rightfully )

No, I did not really claim here. But the way you're going at me...I don't think you're scum¸. That'd be such a hugely risky and stupid move. Maybe lyncher? That'd make more sense.

However beleive I actually claimed miller as scum to hide it on day 1 with a small jokewagon on me is..Illogical at best.

yes but you may just do all of this to create a clever cover for later in the game and hide behind it. and i'm not going to allow that to happen that easily.

[freezie]

As you may have guessed, last post was not supposed to happen..forgot to actually type my message before pressing submit..-.-

note how i said that knew it was SUPPOSED TO BE (=LOOK LIKE) A joke, but I DO NOT BELIEVE it was ACTUALLY a joke. i never said that i didn't read it well enough and i never appaired to skim. if you truly believe i skimmed, you're the one skimming, as if you'd take the time to actually read what i said, it'd be obvious that i did my research. just because we don't agree doesn't mean i didn't read everything.

So, you know it's supposed to be a joke ( the miller claim ) but you don't beleive I was really joking about my claim. So, you beleive I am really a miller. So you're voting me for beleive my town role?

I know, that's twisting your words, as you wouldn't beleive a miller claim. Nor would I. But really, I know better than to claim miller as mafia, especially on day 1. As everyone pointed out, spearow--town miller, was my role in the first pokemon game, and the very first post I did was to burst down the joke phase by claiming it ( rightfully )

No, I did not really claim here. But the way you're going at me...I don't think you're scum¸. That'd be such a hugely risky and stupid move. Maybe lyncher? That'd make more sense.

However beleive I actually claimed miller as scum to hide it on day 1 with a small jokewagon on me is..Illogical at best.

yes but you may just do all of this to create a clever cover for later in the game and hide behind it. and i'm not going to allow that to happen that easily.

A cover? A cover for what? So, shall we accuse everyone who voted for themselves because they were scum in the joke phase because they could be building a cover for later?

[strike wolf]

note how i said that knew it was SUPPOSED TO BE (=LOOK LIKE) A joke, but I DO NOT BELIEVE it was ACTUALLY a joke. i never said that i didn't read it well enough and i never appaired to skim. if you truly believe i skimmed, you're the one skimming, as if you'd take the time to actually read what i said, it'd be obvious that i did my research. just because we don't agree doesn't mean i didn't read everything.

So, you know it's supposed to be a joke ( the miller claim ) but you don't beleive I was really joking about my claim. So, you beleive I am really a miller. So you're voting me for beleive my town role?

I know, that's twisting your words, as you wouldn't beleive a miller claim. Nor would I. But really, I know better than to claim miller as mafia, especially on day 1. As everyone pointed out, spearow--town miller, was my role in the first pokemon game, and the very first post I did was to burst down the joke phase by claiming it ( rightfully )

No, I did not really claim here. But the way you're going at me...I don't think you're scum¸. That'd be such a hugely risky and stupid move. Maybe lyncher? That'd make more sense.

However beleive I actually claimed miller as scum to hide it on day 1 with a small jokewagon on me is..Illogical at best.

yes but you may just do all of this to create a clever cover for later in the game and hide behind it. and i'm not going to allow that to happen that easily.

I know Freezie addressed this but what kind of cover? "Oh Hey guys I made an obvious joke in the joke phase but that's my actual role"?

non-comittal? ha.

I just took sides by saying I think zimmah is town, and by not voting for him

The problem is it's a very easy post to make as an excuse to bandwagon. "Hey guys I know we lynched town yesterday. About that just remember that I didn't wnat to bandwagon him. I just did it because there was nothing else and town seemed to want him dead. remember where I said I thought he was town?"

[shieldgenerator7]

The problem is it's a very easy post to make as an excuse to bandwagon. "Hey guys I know we lynched town yesterday. About that just remember that I didn't wnat to bandwagon him. I just did it because there was nothing else and town seemed to want him dead. remember where I said I thought he was town?"

haha ok if that's the problem you're seeing with my post, would you like insurance that I won't use that argument? (I don't believe I've ever done that in the pasttho I can be forgetful)

I know Freezie addressed this but what kind of cover? "Oh Hey guys I made an obvious joke in the joke phase but that's my actual role"?

I won't accept freezie's claim later on if he claims this to be true. (it's highly unlikely DoomYoshi put it in here again in the first place, let alone randomly giving to freezie again)

-SG7 ( )

[pancakemix]

note how i said that knew it was SUPPOSED TO BE (=LOOK LIKE) A joke, but I DO NOT BELIEVE it was ACTUALLY a joke. i never said that i didn't read it well enough and i never appaired to skim. if you truly believe i skimmed, you're the one skimming, as if you'd take the time to actually read what i said, it'd be obvious that i did my research. just because we don't agree doesn't mean i didn't read everything.

So, you know it's supposed to be a joke ( the miller claim ) but you don't beleive I was really joking about my claim. So, you beleive I am really a miller. So you're voting me for beleive my town role?

I know, that's twisting your words, as you wouldn't beleive a miller claim. Nor would I. But really, I know better than to claim miller as mafia, especially on day 1. As everyone pointed out, spearow--town miller, was my role in the first pokemon game, and the very first post I did was to burst down the joke phase by claiming it ( rightfully )

No, I did not really claim here. But the way you're going at me...I don't think you're scum¸. That'd be such a hugely risky and stupid move. Maybe lyncher? That'd make more sense.

However beleive I actually claimed miller as scum to hide it on day 1 with a small jokewagon on me is..Illogical at best.

yes but you may just do all of this to create a clever cover for later in the game and hide behind it. and i'm not going to allow that to happen that easily.

This is exactly what I said freezie WOULDN'T do because he COULDN'T do it. If he tried, he'd be laughed at all the way to the gallows.

[jonty125]

Zimmah, I think the actual problem with your case on freezie is that it relies on him having incentive as mafia (a point on which there is no evidence to suggest) to appeal back to that claim should he be investigated. The thing is, he won't. Because it was a joke. And you know this. Yet you insist on pushing this and all you have done is called the ire of the town upon yourself.

I will grant you, however, that it does appear that jonty skimmed.

I didn't skim, that's how I interpreted the post. That is why I put the paraphrase tags.

[nagerous]

note how i said that knew it was SUPPOSED TO BE (=LOOK LIKE) A joke, but I DO NOT BELIEVE it was ACTUALLY a joke. i never said that i didn't read it well enough and i never appaired to skim. if you truly believe i skimmed, you're the one skimming, as if you'd take the time to actually read what i said, it'd be obvious that i did my research. just because we don't agree doesn't mean i didn't read everything.

So, you know it's supposed to be a joke ( the miller claim ) but you don't beleive I was really joking about my claim. So, you beleive I am really a miller. So you're voting me for beleive my town role?

I know, that's twisting your words, as you wouldn't beleive a miller claim. Nor would I. But really, I know better than to claim miller as mafia, especially on day 1. As everyone pointed out, spearow--town miller, was my role in the first pokemon game, and the very first post I did was to burst down the joke phase by claiming it ( rightfully )

No, I did not really claim here. But the way you're going at me...I don't think you're scum¸. That'd be such a hugely risky and stupid move. Maybe lyncher? That'd make more sense.

However beleive I actually claimed miller as scum to hide it on day 1 with a small jokewagon on me is..Illogical at best.

yes but you may just do all of this to create a clever cover for later in the game and hide behind it. and i'm not going to allow that to happen that easily.

You are over-reacting ridiculously. I don't necessarily think your behaviour is scummy but it is certainly one-track minded and is not going to help us catch scum at this moment in time.

[edocsil]

Why? Why is it remotely important that I keep the pressure on zimmah (every other play in the game seems to be doing a fair job of that) and why is it important to note that I did it?

Thought I had responded here already, perhaps the net ate my answer.

Anyhow, I have grave suspicions of zimmah at this point and if he flips scum you would be next on my list. Your action reduces pressure like I said, so I could easily see this as an attempt to protect a scumbuddy. SG7 is an easy d1 lynch if you decided to push it, and something I believe you would have no issue orchestrating to keep you hypothetical scumbuddy alive. However, none of this has any merit if zimmah is not scum, hence my only desiring the action to be noted, rather then calling you out for being scummy. If I were to die n1 and zimmah were to be scum I would want someone to be easily able to remember that moment.