Simpsons Mafia (8 of 13) Endgame, Town Win!

[pershy]

Why do I still have four votes on me? I presume I was voted for pressure and a claim.

Oops - I forgot that I had voted you for pressure, and seeing as for the moment I am tentatively gonna believe your claim -

unvote

The deadline is just over 36 hours away. Would you guys like a slight extension? If you want it I will add 48 hours.

Personally I would like an extension cause I don't think we've made much scum hunting progress but I don't mind, whatever everyone else thinks.

pmchugh makes a good point and BK makes a good defence here. I think the pic and flavour fit fine or whatever the criticism was, but the colour thing...a scum slip? BK had to claim it was an iphone error....still he did have another computer fart.

Still as I said I'm gonna believe him but to be honest the jury is till out on that one as far as I'm concerned.

What else have we got? Hmm - nothin much....

[pmchugh]

pmchugh was the first to jump on me for making my suggestion, and now he continues with this.

The picture made it seem forced - what does that mean? It was the picture I was given. When I reveal my claim I give the information I had.

The picture is not information. It adds nothing to the claim at all and is unnecessary, the only thing it adds is a bit of psychology in that if people see the picture they are more likely to see it as plausible.

I coloured my role name using my iphone so probably got the colour wrong because of that. Which is why I put in the following message that I was town (to make it clear).

This sounds like an excuse.

You say it doesn't fit the flavour. I think it fits the flavour well but I've already explained why. Anyway, since I'm not the mod, since we have not had a night yet and I don't know what other people are I have no real idea of the "flavour" of this game. It makes sense to me.

Remember we have our own roles to use as flavour against others. The thing going for you is that your claim is quite elaborate, I certainly would not have made it anything near a role but I guess that means it would be a strange fake claim.

None of your arguments really stand up to me being scummy. Voting habits and patterns do though. When I get a moment I'll go back through those who I think are scummy.

I am very interested to hear the conclusions from this.

[BlackKnight_6]

The case against ckyrias through his vote actions

votes Ragian (jokevote, "all aboard the Ragian train")
unvotes
votes pmchugh (when pressured by him - looks like an OMGUS vote)
unvotes (right after he starts getting votes from others)
votes LSU
asks who he should vote to not attract attention
votes BK when he sees the pressure is not going to go off me

Now says my claim is scummy and untrue because I'm suspicious of him.

The charges against ckyrias are defensiveness, overeager voting, bandwagoning, OMGUS votes, flipflopping...

One or two of these may be scum tells. All of them together are enough for me to keep my vote where it is.

As for me, my alignment can be checked by some investigative role. I expect that I will probably live through tonight as the mafia among you lot now know that pmchugh and ckyrias are heavily loading suspicion onto me and hope that I will eventually get lynched. I may be a nerfed doc but I still cast a vote for town and if for some reason we have a real doc who gets killed then I could be the next best thing.

[thechuck51]

Sorry I haven't been very active but with all the new crusades guy in here I feel like I stumbled into a party that I wasn't invited to! anyways...

i feel that although pancake has given us nothing to work with. hes gonnaa be their later in the game if an easy lynch is needed. unvote vote bk

town members should be looking to lynch scum not for easy lynches unvote vote pretender

I guess nobody else agrees that looking for "easy" lynches is scummy?

[pancakemix]

Terribly unuseful role. Flavor fits, but there are better doc choices (Hibert, Dr Nick). I'm iffy on that one, tempted to vote.

Dr. Hibbert yes but Dr. Nick Rivera?? He'd either be "Naive" or "CPR" so I'll take my chances with a faith healer over him.

Agreed, but I'd expect him before Lovejoy in this case.

Sorry I haven't been very active but with all the new crusades guy in here I feel like I stumbled into a party that I wasn't invited to! anyways...

i feel that although pancake has given us nothing to work with. hes gonnaa be their later in the game if an easy lynch is needed. unvote vote bk

town members should be looking to lynch scum not for easy lynches unvote vote pretender

I guess nobody else agrees that looking for "easy" lynches is scummy?

Definitely worth noting, but atm I feel there are bigger fish to fry. I'm not about to let BK off the hook 100% and cykirias is still a viable case in my book. PMC made some valid points on BK, and I'd like to expand on that later if I have the chance.

[pershy]

yup - I like where you're going. Both BK and thechuck have made cases...oh and pmchugh.

Did we get that extension mod? Even 24 hours would be good.

Either was I think we have to decide as a group which way we are gonna go and just do it and hope we get some kind of decent result. Although I'm not that hopeful as scum could be keeping quite quiet and still be off the radar. Either way, it's statistically better to have lynched on D1 than not to have lynched (I read it somewhere).

[pmchugh]

Sorry I haven't been very active but with all the new crusades guy in here I feel like I stumbled into a party that I wasn't invited to! anyways...

i feel that although pancake has given us nothing to work with. hes gonnaa be their later in the game if an easy lynch is needed. unvote vote bk

town members should be looking to lynch scum not for easy lynches unvote vote pretender

I guess nobody else agrees that looking for "easy" lynches is scummy?

I missed this, good catch. An explanation is required for this one.

[thechuck51]

I missed this, good catch. An explanation is required for this one.

Here is Pretender's contributions to the game so far since confirming...

Post #1 He puts Ragian at L-3 during joke voting

bandwagon Vote RAGE

Post #2 Then fresh of jumping on the Ragian bandwagon he votes CK for bandwagoning and puts him at L-4

oh ya. hey safari. ive heard about you. and this isnt my first btw......and unvote vote cky.....he was a little too eager i feel to jump bandwagon and he just beat me in a game

Post #3 In his last post he jumps on the BK bandwagon to put him at L-3 and saves pancake for an "easy lynch" later

i feel that although pancake has given us nothing to work with. hes gonnaa be their later in the game if an easy lynch is needed. unvote vote bk

You could probably say it was all part of joke voting but all his votes have been for people that were already receiving multiple votes. It just seems a little opportunistic to me.

@ Dazza, please continue to post frequent vote counts, its greatly appreciated!

[safariguy5]

None of your arguments really stand up to me being scummy. Voting habits and patterns do though. When I get a moment I'll go back through those who I think are scummy.

Voting habits???!!! You're going to try to draw information from Day 1 voting habits? Small sample size plus we don't know the outcomes of lynches, which means that it's tough to catch mafia bandwagonners because we can't see who was town and who wasn't. Maybe later on in the game vote patterns will help, but I don't think they will right now.

[LSU Tiger Josh]

Invite vote cky for now I'll believe bk but I'm not convinced at all. Ck definitely has been all over the place with his votes so I'll move there

[LSU Tiger Josh]

Fine.

I'm Reverend Lovejoy, and I'm a Faith Healer. I have a 50% chance of success of protecting someone I choose each night.



Can you take your votes off me now please?

and put them on ckyrias, who seems scummy to me.

on my iPhone this color isn't even adjacent to a blue so this is suspicious to me

[LSU Tiger Josh]

Invite vote cky for now I'll believe bk but I'm not convinced at all. Ck definitely has been all over the place with his votes so I'll move there

Ebwop unvote vote cky. Damn autocorrect on iphone

[BlackKnight_6]

@LSU I wasn't saying the colour was wrong because my finger slipped, it's because it's harder to go back and forth on things on an iphone when you're also multitasking. I had closed the original role PM and only thought that I had got the colour different once I submitted. Which is why I put up right afterwards the following

In case you didn't realise from the above, I'm town.

@safariguy You're right there is not much to go on with vote patterns on Day 1 but what else do we have? "Scummy behaviour"? OK. In which case, the following cases have been made

me on ckyrias (linked to votes and defensiveness)
thechuck on 77 (linked to votes, and a careless quote about an easy lynch)
pmchugh on me (linked to my claim which he doesn't like - there is nothing else)
ckyrias on me (see above, but also because I am building a case against him)

Anyway, I still think it's ckyrias, although I like thechuck's case on 77. I've done nothing but try to help out here and feel I'm getting punished for it by some. Makes me think that a much better day 1 strategy now is to make some joke votes and then wait until night.

[safariguy5]

Honestly BK, day 1 wagons tend to be made out of the less than stellar reasons precisely because we have little information. Unless someone makes a major scumslip, it usually comes down to something that's semirandom and/or an inactive.

[dazza2008]

Vote Count

ckyrias(4) - pancakemix, BlackKnight_6, ShaggyDan, LSU Tiger Josh
BlackKnight_6(2) - pretender77, ckyrias
safariguy5(1) - pmchugh
pretender77(1) - thechuck51

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline: 16 June 10pm UK time.

[dazza2008]

I added 48 hours to the deadline.

[LSU Tiger Josh]

@LSU I wasn't saying the colour was wrong because my finger slipped, it's because it's harder to go back and forth on things on an iphone when you're also multitasking. I had closed the original role PM and only thought that I had got the colour different once I submitted. Which is why I put up right afterwards the following

In case you didn't realise from the above, I'm town.

well don't multitask when dealing with color on the iphone . either way i unvoted you for now

[LSU Tiger Josh]

and the reason my vote was still there was because I hadn't signed on for a couple of days as I'm still going through training for my new job and it's keeping me pretty busy. I just try to at least read what's happening every other day at a minimum, but didn't get to do that this week since I had an audition for part of my job.

[pmchugh]

I'm moving my vote to 77, unvote vote pretender, until he answers some of chucks questions.

[pershy]

Some of us have played a lot with 77 and unfortunately he often goes awol for a while and when he comes back it's for a quick skimerama. We've lynched him on D1 on several occasions.

I think I'm going to

vote ckyrias

might as well try and get another claim I suppose....

[dazza2008]

Vote Count

ckyrias(5) - pancakemix, BlackKnight_6, ShaggyDan, LSU Tiger Josh, pershy L-2
BlackKnight_6(2) - pretender77, ckyrias
pretender77(2) - thechuck51, pmchugh

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline: 16 June 10pm UK time.

[pmchugh]

Some of us have played a lot with 77 and unfortunately he often goes awol for a while and when he comes back it's for a quick skimerama. We've lynched him on D1 on several occasions.

I think I'm going to

vote ckyrias

might as well try and get another claim I suppose....

That doesn't excuse him, as the case against him wasn't going awol and then coming back for a quick and useless post.

[pershy]

Yup I agree pmchugh and will happily vote him if that's the consensus. For now though I figured that CK was as good a subject as any to pressure. What do the rest of you think?

[BlackKnight_6]

I think we should stick with the pressure on ckyrias to explain himself.

[ckyrias]

I think we should stick with the pressure on ckyrias to explain himself.

to explain my self? i have already don that prior of posting what i posted! when i joined a bandwagon when i omgus voted etc. only think that struck as "irregular" for D1 was to put rage in L-2. and i even explained that. its a different style of play with so many people i never played before than our regular TNC games. i don't feel like i have any explaining to do. if you want me to claim i will but its not on the towns interest to have a second claim.

Yup I agree pmchugh and will happily vote him if that's the consensus. For now though I figured that CK was as good a subject as any to pressure. What do the rest of you think?

as is you. FOS for trying to see what the rest things while pointing your finger on me!