The Whitechapel Murderer- GAME OVER - TOWN WON

[Nebuchadnezer]

Not only do I not interpret that as being about benga, that's at best a soft-claim about having investigated someone. And I looked through all of his posts to figure out what he was talking about, but the only time I saw him quoting IB, he said something like "I knew you were scum."

I guess I'm not used to playing with you, Metsfanmax, but most of your posts are negative. You refuse to accept anything as a "correct" conclusion, yet put no thoughts out there about what might be the correct conclusion. You've call everyone on the Benga wagon scummy. You say that Benga could be scum using a fakeclaim (even though you said anyone voting him is scummy). You vote Doom, get the day cop claim, and still don't unvote him.

Vote Metsfanmax

Also, Doom, please clarify your target. I thought it was Iron Butterfly.

Fastposted by Hotshot...Did I answer your question?

[Metsfanmax]

Not only do I not interpret that as being about benga, that's at best a soft-claim about having investigated someone. And I looked through all of his posts to figure out what he was talking about, but the only time I saw him quoting IB, he said something like "I knew you were scum."

I guess I'm not used to playing with you, Metsfanmax, but most of your posts are negative.

How exactly is "being negative" a reason to vote for someone?

(By the way, I'm pretty critical of pretty much everything. My modus operandi is finding logical flaws in people's arguments. Just look at OT sometime)

You refuse to accept anything as a "correct" conclusion, yet put no thoughts out there about what might be the correct conclusion.

I gave a proactive way to actually resolve the DY issue when no one else was doing so.

You've call everyone on the Benga wagon scummy. You say that Benga could be scum using a fakeclaim (even though you said anyone voting him is scummy).

The Benga wagon was scummy, but that doesn't logically clear him either. He might be scum, just not for the reasons people originally thought (which were weak).

You vote Doom, get the day cop claim, and still don't unvote him.

Now that is rich, coming from the person who went on a self-righteous kick about how bad it is to only give a partial claim.

[DoomYoshi]

I investigated IB as soon as getting my role. It was a random.org thing.

When I quoted his long post, I removed the letters that spell out innocent.

Below that was 6 arrows pointing up with the subject "Whiteclupel" which Nark also quoted.

I was worried it was too obvious.

[Metsfanmax]

Why would you use up your investigation before getting more information from posts on D1?

[DoomYoshi]

Why would you use up your investigation before getting more information from posts on D1?

As soon as I start getting information, I make biased decisions.

[Metsfanmax]

Why would you use up your investigation before getting more information from posts on D1?

As soon as I start getting information, I make biased decisions.

So are you going to consult random.org for your investigation in each subsequent day?

[DoomYoshi]

Why would you use up your investigation before getting more information from posts on D1?

As soon as I start getting information, I make biased decisions.

So are you going to consult random.org for your investigation in each subsequent day?

No.

[benga]

Had a little free time today so I've read up. Haven't seen anything overly scummy due to the things that would normally appear scummy not appearing as scummy when considering meta. I believe benga's claim. There usually seems to be some language barrier issues which leads to things that appear very OMGUS like. I would like the remainder of the information as well. If you're going to claim don't half do it. That's what gets people lynched

I am not sure if it's wise for me to say it...all those forcing me to say feel very scummy to me

wish I had more experience that this...

but think my role is more important down the way

okay here goes: I get to vote 2 times, my 2nd vote will be marked as ? and I have now lost my ability for this and next day

at this point it seems to me that neb saf and flores are somehow in connection

neb and saf protecting flores and constantly forcing me the reveal myself

Ok, you can't say that I am protecting flores because your play caused me to strongly consider voting you. Which I would have done prior to you claiming anyways. In no way is that protecting someone. Protecting someone means defending someone when they come under lynch pressure and flores was at no way under lynch pressure at the time.

vote benga for falsely linking me to Flores. Probably more a symbolic vote than anything, but you still have yours on flores, so I think it's a tit for tat thing.

As for the claim, I don't think miller would be likely for the roleclaim mainly because the authorities cleared him. So in the theme, there's no real reason to suspect him to be the killer despite initial suspicions.

I can't understand the case on Doom either. What's the rationale for voting him again? He hints at a role and everyone just wants to figure out what it is? I've seen no other reason for voting him and the people on the wagon seem like they're rolefishing to me. FoS nag and flores

this seems a bit odd to me, vote me and support my FOS, excluding yourself

if I unvote flores, you would unvote me and vote flores?

[FloresDelMal]

And trust me your scummy behaviour was enough for people to vote you...

Such as...




I am Frederick Abberline

His claim seems solid.

In a 15 player game with a possible third party group, it's not nearly enough to clear him as town. He could be using a fakeclaim name.

this claim is as solid as it gets, since Abberline was the chief of police who lead the case on the ripper, so even thought that such an important role could have been better off on the hands of a less perennially scummy player ill go ahead and unvote vote mets, the reasons why i had fosed him earlier still stand, but on top of this, continuing to throw shade on a cop with a solid claim is also as fishy as it gets.

[strike wolf]

Not only do I not interpret that as being about benga, that's at best a soft-claim about having investigated someone. And I looked through all of his posts to figure out what he was talking about, but the only time I saw him quoting IB, he said something like "I knew you were scum."

Benga is actually irrelevant since the main point was that he had used the investigation. The intent of the post was obviously to say he had used his ability already so to be difficult about that saying it was "at best a soft claim about having investigated someone" is quite simply denying something when all reasonable doubt has been removed.

Why would you use up your investigation before getting more information from posts on D1?

As soon as I start getting information, I make biased decisions.

Do you not think that maybe your investigation would have been better spent using it on someone who was suspected like Benga? You make biased decisions, we all are capable of that flaw but investigating the town's closest pick to a day 1 lynch (excluding yourself) seems like a better use of your ability than a random one. To be honest, going by your biased decision day one sounds like a better use of it.

[Metsfanmax]

Not only do I not interpret that as being about benga, that's at best a soft-claim about having investigated someone. And I looked through all of his posts to figure out what he was talking about, but the only time I saw him quoting IB, he said something like "I knew you were scum."

Benga is actually irrelevant since the main point was that he had used the investigation. The intent of the post was obviously to say he had used his ability already so to be difficult about that saying it was "at best a soft claim about having investigated someone" is quite simply denying something when all reasonable doubt has been removed.

I wasn't certain of that. It didn't make any sense to me that DY would have used his investigation that early in the day. Now that I see that DY was just being DY, I'll unvote.

[Iron Butterfly]

DY's claim seems believable. It would be good if he was clear at who he investigated/cleared. (Although I'm guessing there will be some godfather-like false town results... but at least it's a start) But anyway, I will unvote

So is anyone still suspicious of metsfanmax? Or is there anyone else out there somewhat suspicious?

One thing that is very obvious to me is those who are debating what is what and those who are lurking at the periphery of the conversation. There is to much going on to have nothing to say.

Comments like these give pause for thought. If you have a theory or opinion on someone give it. I find it extremely scummy when someone makes a post asking for everyone else's opinion on weather someone is scummy.

So yes hotshot I find you suspicious.

[safariguy5]

DY's claim seems believable. It would be good if he was clear at who he investigated/cleared. (Although I'm guessing there will be some godfather-like false town results... but at least it's a start) But anyway, I will unvote

So is anyone still suspicious of metsfanmax? Or is there anyone else out there somewhat suspicious?

One thing that is very obvious to me is those who are debating what is what and those who are lurking at the periphery of the conversation. There is to much going on to have nothing to say.

Comments like these give pause for thought. If you have a theory or opinion on someone give it. I find it extremely scummy when someone makes a post asking for everyone else's opinion on weather someone is scummy.

So yes hotshot I find you suspicious.

I also detect some rolefishing by Hotshot in terms of seeing if he can push a case on Mets. Perhaps the ease at which people are willing to pressure someone right now is encouraging him to extract as much info as he can right now.

FoS Hotshot

[strike wolf]

DY's claim seems believable. It would be good if he was clear at who he investigated/cleared. (Although I'm guessing there will be some godfather-like false town results... but at least it's a start) But anyway, I will unvote

So is anyone still suspicious of metsfanmax? Or is there anyone else out there somewhat suspicious?

One thing that is very obvious to me is those who are debating what is what and those who are lurking at the periphery of the conversation. There is to much going on to have nothing to say.

Comments like these give pause for thought. If you have a theory or opinion on someone give it. I find it extremely scummy when someone makes a post asking for everyone else's opinion on weather someone is scummy.

So yes hotshot I find you suspicious.

Wow. I did not read it like that when I first saw it but that really is suspicious.

[Anarkistsdream]

Official Vote Count
Doomyoshi (1)-Ga7
Floresdelmal (1)-Benga, DoomYoshi
Metsfanmax (2)-Neb, FloresdelMal

[DoomYoshi]

@strike: I no longer suspect benga. I am the closest to a lynch target and investigating myself does not seem like a good use.

per hotshot - has he played before?

[safariguy5]

@strike: I no longer suspect benga. I am the closest to a lynch target and investigating myself does not seem like a good use.

per hotshot - has he played before?

Yes, some games, probably at least 3-4.

unvote

[HotShot53]

DY's claim seems believable. It would be good if he was clear at who he investigated/cleared. (Although I'm guessing there will be some godfather-like false town results... but at least it's a start) But anyway, I will unvote

So is anyone still suspicious of metsfanmax? Or is there anyone else out there somewhat suspicious?

One thing that is very obvious to me is those who are debating what is what and those who are lurking at the periphery of the conversation. There is to much going on to have nothing to say.

Comments like these give pause for thought. If you have a theory or opinion on someone give it. I find it extremely scummy when someone makes a post asking for everyone else's opinion on weather someone is scummy.

So yes hotshot I find you suspicious.

I also detect some rolefishing by Hotshot in terms of seeing if he can push a case on Mets. Perhaps the ease at which people are willing to pressure someone right now is encouraging him to extract as much info as he can right now.

FoS Hotshot

That wasn't my intention... I had just led the (apparently) misguided case on DY... and the case on benga was gone too... so Mets was the only other person who people had thought was suspicious before, but I didn't have enough of a case to lead another case myself, and no-one else was looking too suspicious to me yet. I just didn't want day 1 to start bogging down, and after unvoting I wasn't really sure where to vote next.

@strike: I no longer suspect benga. I am the closest to a lynch target and investigating myself does not seem like a good use.

per hotshot - has he played before?

So far I've played 3 games here (one was stopped because the mod disappeared, but that would have ended the next day anyway). So I guess I'm not brand new but not exactly a veteran either.

[virus90]

wow, hiding innocent like that doom yoshi... i even had trouble finding it when you said you posted it. really like that style
Well it adds up with the possibility of the character you claimed excisting as i mentioned in one of my prev posts, so i believe its true.
Getting this confirmed also makes the other roles i mentioned more likely in my opinion. Which means that we might have a sh*tload of investigative roles.
and i think that might be the catch to this game. Many investigative roles, and not everyone getting correct results, or not always correct. in that way creating a lot of confusion among the people.
that being said i am confused right now aswell, reread the last days and noted some + and - with some people.
ill share some:
gregwolf, has not contributed in my opinion.
and a quote of strike wolf, which made me look into him more.

well that noted i Vote strikewolf

for me the reasons are:
1. No VT due to this quote:

Spoiler

I wasn't ruling out VT though I do not remember if there was anything even said about whether this game even had any.

2. wanting to incriminate benga when he claimed

Spoiler

Mr. Blanchard confessed to the Whitechapel Murders at a bar going as far as to say that he stopped his victims from screaming by pressing down the windpipe with his thumb and finger while cutting their throat (Does not fit the actual method). He was arrested but recanted his confession as drunken ramblings and it was later proven that he had been in Manchester during the Ripper murders.

3. doubting moriarity, he and other characters mentioned clearly exist in my opinion

Spoiler

I am not sure what Moriarty would be, if he is in the game.

4. getting discussion, which is always good.

not a great solid case, but so far, i think there have not been any, and since its day 1, we probably wont get a decisive case. The more happening day 1 the more intel we get.

Well im out, bedtime. duty calls in a few hours, and want to visit my bed before that time

[virus90]

oh and 5. jumping on the next possible subject, could be considered bandwagoning

Spoiler

DY's claim seems believable. It would be good if he was clear at who he investigated/cleared. (Although I'm guessing there will be some godfather-like false town results... but at least it's a start) But anyway, I will unvote

So is anyone still suspicious of metsfanmax? Or is there anyone else out there somewhat suspicious?

One thing that is very obvious to me is those who are debating what is what and those who are lurking at the periphery of the conversation. There is to much going on to have nothing to say.

Comments like these give pause for thought. If you have a theory or opinion on someone give it. I find it extremely scummy when someone makes a post asking for everyone else's opinion on weather someone is scummy.

So yes hotshot I find you suspicious.

Wow. I did not read it like that when I first saw it but that really is suspicious.

[DoomYoshi]

Virus, I wouldn't vote strike if I were you. I have a feeling he's on your team.

[Nebuchadnezer]

I don't like Virus's case on Strike.

My case on Mets isn't that great either, but I feel it's better than the Strike one.

The Hotshot case also carries some merit, and I would have put Hotshot #2 behind Metsfanmax on my list.

Whatever we do, we should decide whether we want another claim, or if we want to settle into the night with two claims already out. Let's hear from those who are not participating, please.

[kratos644]

Things are still busy at the moment but I've found some time to pull myself away and make a post.

LIVING
1) Nebuchadnezer - Nothing stands out yet
2) HotShot53 - Aside from the one post not too much out there and that post wasn't necessarily odd for him.
3) strike wolf - Looks standard
4) virus90 - lively as always.
5) new guy1 - just recently got active so not much to go off of.
6) benga - typical play from him so far. Claim seems reasonable but could potentially be affiliated with a different faction.
7) Iron Butterfly - preliminarily town. Not sure how much investigations can be trusted quite yet.
8 ) FloresDelMal - Not much out of the ordinary
9) kratos644 - obviously this guy is town.
10) Metsfanmax - Very wishy washy on multiple ends of the spectrum
11) DoomYoshi - Day cop, enough said.
12) safariguy5 - hasn't committed to any votes except on benga...
13) ga7 - missing even more so than gregwolf
14) gregwolf121 - he's in this game? Where at?
15) nagerous - normal play so far.

For now I'm going to have to go with Vote safariguy. He has thrown out plenty of FOSes but hasn't really committed to anything. Works for getting posts to not app out too far.

[strike wolf]

wow, hiding innocent like that doom yoshi... i even had trouble finding it when you said you posted it. really like that style
Well it adds up with the possibility of the character you claimed excisting as i mentioned in one of my prev posts, so i believe its true.
Getting this confirmed also makes the other roles i mentioned more likely in my opinion. Which means that we might have a sh*tload of investigative roles.
and i think that might be the catch to this game. Many investigative roles, and not everyone getting correct results, or not always correct. in that way creating a lot of confusion among the people.
that being said i am confused right now aswell, reread the last days and noted some + and - with some people.
ill share some:
gregwolf, has not contributed in my opinion.
and a quote of strike wolf, which made me look into him more.

well that noted i Vote strikewolf

Eh. I say weak sauce but whatever. A day 1 case is a day 1 case and as you say discussion is always good.

for me the reasons are:
1. No VT due to this quote:

Spoiler

I wasn't ruling out VT though I do not remember if there was anything even said about whether this game even had any.

Not being vt doesn't auto make me non-town. So no real scum evidence there.

2. wanting to incriminate benga when he claimed

Spoiler

Mr. Blanchard confessed to the Whitechapel Murders at a bar going as far as to say that he stopped his victims from screaming by pressing down the windpipe with his thumb and finger while cutting their throat (Does not fit the actual method). He was arrested but recanted his confession as drunken ramblings and it was later proven that he had been in Manchester during the Ripper murders.

Sure isolating one quote can make me looks scummy but my overall tone during the Benga investigation was that I believed him. Even if you look at that post I show how Blanchard was proven innocent by pointing out how the killing method did not fit and that it was proven he was in Manchester at the time of the murders. My post was simply a brief background designed to enlighten those who may not be familiar with it having accidentally skimmed over Flores' post.

3. doubting moriarity, he and other characters mentioned clearly exist in my opinion

Spoiler

I am not sure what Moriarty would be, if he is in the game.

Ironically this is why I cast doubt on Moriarty because people were IMO counting their chickens before they hatched. This is all that is said in the scene about Moriarty:

At 221B Baker Street, Sherlock Holmes and John Watson discuss their own intentions to catch one of the most dastardly villains to ever set foot in the country of England. However, they wondered if Holmes' archenemy, Dr. James Moriarty, had anything to do with these crimes.

It only says that Holmes and Watson speculated that it could be Moriarty. It offers nothing definitive about him being in the game. Could Moriarty be in the game? Sure. Is he? I don't know and it's possible that no one other than Moriarty would know.

4. getting discussion, which is always good.

not a great solid case, but so far, i think there have not been any, and since its day 1, we probably wont get a decisive case. The more happening day 1 the more intel we get.

Well im out, bedtime. duty calls in a few hours, and want to visit my bed before that time

[gregwolf121]

yes i'm in the game, but have a bad case of homework, which left me busier than i thought i would be. should be calming down though. as for the various cases not sure yet, i'm still forming my opinions, ummm basically its day 1, and we have day 1 cases.
however, with two claims already out there, and one of them a daycop, it may just be time to end the day rather than risk exposing more town roles,