Conquer Club

bryguy wrote: 4) are there gonna be starting points?

gimil wrote:Easy their tiger. Lets not start a bitching session yeah

cairnswk wrote: bryguy....i get very pissed off with people who don't read map instructions

doesn't it say below that each player starts diving. is that too cryptic for you to understand, and why can't you go back and read through some of the discussions on the thread to understand where this map has come from...is that too much to ask before you go asking questions like this?

gimil wrote:

cairnswk wrote: bryguy....i get very pissed off with people who don't read map instructions

doesn't it say below that each player starts diving. is that too cryptic for you to understand, and why can't you go back and read through some of the discussions on the thread to understand where this map has come from...is that too much to ask before you go asking questions like this?

Just chill out bud

cairnswk wrote:

gimil wrote:

cairnswk wrote: bryguy....i get very pissed off with people who don't read map instructions

doesn't it say below that each player starts diving. is that too cryptic for you to understand, and why can't you go back and read through some of the discussions on the thread to understand where this map has come from...is that too much to ask before you go asking questions like this?

Just chill out bud

oh i'll chill out alright gimil, when people don't ask such stupid questions when the answer is right in front of them

must be something in the air today

gimil wrote:
http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewto ... &sk=t&sd=a

Its there for a reson cairns

bryguy wrote:congratz on getting this stickied

edit:
1) i like the colors, makes it seem like your underwater

2) the sharks are a nice effect, but the reefs could use better graphix

3) it looks like there is a banana behind the turtle on pinta....

4) are there gonna be starting points?

5) some of the strange blue circles are circular, some are ovular/oval like (wow ovular is a real word?)

ov·u·lar
–adjective
pertaining to or of the nature of an ovule.

o·vule
n.
1. Botany A minute structure in seed plants, containing the embryo sac and surrounded by the nucellus, that develops into a seed after fertilization.
2. Zoology A small or immature ovum.

ovular
adjective
1. being or of the nature of an ovule
2. of or relating to an ovum

6) on that note, some of the blue ovals/circles are really pixely.... make that all of them

7) why are snorkels -1?

is there any reel reason for the small reef that touches fe1/2 isabela norht and isabela? far as i can tell only fe2 can touch isabela north and isabela, and fe1 can attack isabela north

9) the wording for the 'Gather treasures to assist your survival also' seems weird, why do u neeed to??

rocky mountain wrote:i noticed something... reefs 8 and 4 have an advantage in that they can go straight to a treasure only 1 territory away. that would give them a sooner advantage of +1 over those who have to go 2 spaces...

gimil wrote:

cairnswk wrote:

gimil wrote:Just chill out bud

oh i'll chill out alright gimil, when people don't ask such stupid questions when the answer is right in front of them

must be something in the air today

http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewto ... &sk=t&sd=a

Its there for a reson cairns

rocky mountain wrote:

rocky mountain wrote:i noticed something... reefs 8 and 4 have an advantage in that they can go straight to a treasure only 1 territory away. that would give them a sooner advantage of +1 over those who have to go 2 spaces...

i'm sorry, but i don't know if anybody saw this...

bryguy wrote: sorry cairns, i had looked at the whole map/read the entire legend but completely missed it.

AndyDufresne wrote:So would you suggest swapping Pinzon with IS2 near Reef 4?
And swapping Espanola with ES1?
Or things similar?
--Andy

edbeard wrote:I think this is better. But, bad dice at the beginning will be killer in this game since you're only getting two per turn. But, it doesn't seem too difficult to get bonuses. In terms of most neutral counts, starting armies,and bonuses, I think you've got things done correctly.

What I think needs to change is some territory arrangement and balancing.

1. Water Territories

BTW, Reef 4 and 7 are two away from that water only needing to kill seven armies from two territories to get it. (maybe just add a few more neutrals to the water?)

Also, reef 3 is 8 armies away from Genovesa. Reef 6 is 7 armies away from Tortuga (reef 5 is only 9 armies away from Tortuga).

There's also a couple of spots where from one reef you have 2, 3, 5 to take a water. But, another reef only has a 2, 2, 5.

I'm not sure if all this matters but you said, "Now every reef is three terts away (10 armies) from water sources except reef 4 which is two terts away (12 armies) so there is no disadvantage." So I just want to make sure you realize this is not the case.


2. Reef 1 / 8

figuring out how to get Reef 1 and Reef 8 to be 'partners' like every other Reef has. (5 and 6, 4 and 7, 2 and 3. all of those will be fighting over the same spots). Those two reefs just have free reign to pick up bonus territories. No other reefs will go after Darwin, Wolf or Espanola. Everyone else has territories that are contested.

Those two reefs are by themselves. I think it's clearly advantageous to start at them. If some type of strong current or something can connect them that might solve that issue for me. Maybe san cristobal and darwin have a 'strong current' connection. Actually, I don't really like that spot. But, I think some rearranging of territories there might solve that issue.



Maybe someone has a good argument to defend the gameplay as it is now though?


(maybe after your next update or right now, get people from chat to come in and look at the map for gameplay balancing and to get discussion going)

edbeard wrote:well I hope you can at least wait a bit for some feedback

I'll get some people in here to talk gameplay

edbeard wrote:well I just called for a driveby haha

lets see if I can delete a topic I made

edbeard wrote:well I hope you can at least wait a bit for some feedback

I'll get some people in here to talk gameplay

Analysis of Reefs to Water					
Territory -> Water					Ttl
Reef 1 -> Wolf	2	4	4	0	10
Reef 1 -> Pinta	2	2	6	0	10
Reef 2 -> Pinta	2	2	6	0	10
Reef 2 -> Genovesa	2	3	5	0	10
Reef 2 -> Santiago	2	3	5	0	10
Reef 2 -> Wolf	2	4	4	0	10
Reef 3 -> Genovesa	3	2	5	0	10
Reef 3 -> Santa Cruz	2	3	5	0	10
Reef 4 -> Santa Cruz	2	3	5	0	10
Reef 4 -> Santiago (up)	2	3	5	0	10
Reef 4 -> Santiago (down)	2	2	1	5	10
Reef 5 -> Isabela West	2	4	4	0	10
Reef 5 -> Tortuga	2	3	5	0	10
Reef 6 -> Tortuga	2	3	5	0	10
Reef 6 -> Santa Cruz	2	3	5	0	10
Reef 7 -> Santa Cruz	2	3	5	0	10
Reef 7 -> San Cristobal	2	2	6	0	10
Reef 7 -> Espanola	2	2	6	0	10
Reef 8 -> San Cristobal	2	2	6	0	10
Reef 8 -> Espanola	2	2	6	0	10

DiM wrote:glad to see this is back on track cause i like the idea. i haven't paid much attention to it unfortunatelly cause the time has been really scarce but now i have a few minutes so here i go.
first of all sorry if i'm talking about previously discussed things. just ignore me if that's the case.

1. what's so2?? and how do you connect to it??

....
i see 3 possibilities:

a. reduce the number of starting locations to 6. this would give more space between players and avoid early eliminations
b. increase the number of terits. i don't know where you could squeeze them but you do need to get more space between players
c. make each player have 2 starting locations. this would probably be the easiest to implement as you don't need extra terits. this would mean early eliminations are impossible as it would give people a backup. problem is it's not very realistic (i mean you go diving from 1 location not from 2 at the same time). and a second problem is that you could still have early eliminations but only on team games. 1 player goes for a terit and another goes for the other terit.

DiM wrote:actually at point a i said to reduce the number of starting locations not the number of the armies on the starting locations

so instead of having 8 cramped reefs close together to have just 6 reefs with more space between them.
...

edbeard wrote:all I know is that I don't want to start at reef 3
I'm battling over Marchena with reef 2
I'm battling over Lugger Genocruz (which only has 3 armies for some reason?) with reef 4 AND reef 7
compare it's location with reef 1. man it's a totally different world for the player that starts there.
I keep going back and forth over this. On one hand the idea is great and gameplay is quite good. On the other hand, it's very unbalanced.
I really like the map and want to see it quenched eventually. But, at the moment I'm not sure quite how to make it balanced without doing some type of overhaul. We need more ideas and directed discussion as to how to balance the starting points.