Rules About Avatars

[Night Strike]

The CC Olympics tournament is based on having friendly competition among the CC clans. If you want to make an avatar that uses the Olympics theme to make fun of/challenge another clan, then go right ahead. If you want to discuss any injustices of the Chinese government, please keep those in Chatter Box (and away from my tournament).

[owenshooter]

The CC Olympics tournament is based on having friendly competition among the CC clans. If you want to make an avatar that uses the Olympics theme to make fun of/challenge another clan, then go right ahead. If you want to discuss any injustices of the Chinese government, please keep those in Chatter Box (and away from my tournament).

um, where was that in any of the literature sent out or posted about the CC Olympics? our sig is in no way a political statement. you are really sensitive Night Strike... you got on this pretty fast. why don't you go find andy and ask him to respond equally fast to the question i presented to him in this thread and within a PM...-0

[hulmey]

The CC Olympics tournament is based on having friendly competition among the CC clans. If you want to make an avatar that uses the Olympics theme to make fun of/challenge another clan, then go right ahead. If you want to discuss any injustices of the Chinese government, please keep those in Chatter Box (and away from my tournament).

um, where was that in any of the literature sent out or posted about the CC Olympics? our sig is in no way a political statement. you are really sensitive Night Strike... you got on this pretty fast. why don't you go find andy and ask him to respond equally fast to the question i presented to him in this thread and within a PM...-0

lol, glad to se your making friends

[mpjh]

Seems this thread has degenerated into a "Let's see what people we can insult the most."

The United States imposed sanctions on Iraq that stopped medical and foods supplies that resulted in the deaths of 500,000 children before the Iraq war even started.

The United States supported the Chilean dictatorship that disappeared without trial thousands of civilians in Chile.

The United States supported the dictatorship in Argentina that disappeared thousand of civilians, and gave their infants to the families of people connected to the government to raise as their own.

The United States abandoned thousands (mostly black people) to horrendous conditions in New Orleans, put hundreds into contaminated trailers, and refused to disperse available supplies to the survivors of the hurricane.

The United States has more people in prison that any (yes any) other country in the world.

These are just a few things to consider before throwing rocks at other countries.

[Night Strike]

Ah, now I can see the sig. My post was originally referring to the other picture brought up. Please don't use my tournament as a crusade against the Chinese government. Using a picture of the rings that have handcuffs is a political statement whether you intend it to be or not. Nothing clan be void of context.

As for Andy, that's not my problem. He's a busy monkey; that's why there are also moderators.

[Snorri1234]

Seems this thread has degenerated into a "Let's see what people we can insult the most."

The United States imposed sanctions on Iraq that stopped medical and foods supplies that resulted in the deaths of 500,000 children before the Iraq war even started.

The United States supported the Chilean dictatorship that disappeared without trial thousands of civilians in Chile.

The United States supported the dictatorship in Argentina that disappeared thousand of civilians, and gave their infants to the families of people connected to the government to raise as their own.

The United States abandoned thousands (mostly black people) to horrendous conditions in New Orleans, put hundreds into contaminated trailers, and refused to disperse available supplies to the survivors of the hurricane.

The United States has more people in prison that any (yes any) other country in the world.

These are just a few things to consider before throwing rocks at other countries.

I fail to see what this actually has to do with the discussion at hand.

[owenshooter]

Using a picture of the rings that have handcuffs is a political statement whether you intend it to be or not. Nothing clan be void of context.

exactly, about our warnings and forum bans... and if the handcuff images are being printed worldwide, which i had not seen, then it is considered art work and non-offensive. now, can we get back on topic?

funny how a mod can fly in here when his tournament is mentioned, but we can't get an answer for 2 days about how the black face avatar falls under the "common sense" guidelines.. and the hitler pic and avatar, which are illegal in germany, continue to fly, while robinette's wet t-shirt/nipple pic came down instantly... interesting...-0

[Night Strike]

funny how a mod can fly in here when his tournament is mentioned, but we can't get an answer for 2 days about how the black face avatar falls under the "common sense" guidelines.. and the hitler pic and avatar, which are illegal in germany, continue to fly, while robinette's wet t-shirt/nipple pic came down instantly... interesting...-0

Can I not be reading through threads and then reply to something that affects me??

And perhaps Andy has not looked into the Black Face comments because Twill had made that decision. Perhaps Andy wishes to consult with Twill about it, but that's hard to do while Twill is on vacation.

EDIT: Owen, quit reporting posts that ARE on topic. YOU brought up the CC Olympics in an avatar/signature, therefore I AM on topic.

[Snorri1234]

p.s.-thank you, really!! that was more than i thought you would come up with!

It's good to know you think so highly of me.

[mpjh]

Most of the problems raised from this thread have to do with avatars that are insulting other people like the black face avatar insulted African-Americans because of its historical racist implications, the Muslim with a bomb in his hat insulted Muslims by implying that Muslims are irrational terrorists, and the distorted Olympic rings is used to insult Chinese people implying that they are an oppressive people as a whole.

My point is that these insults are a particularity of US-centric (more accurately Caucasian-centric) thinking that sees us better, more rational, kinder, more compassionate, and just better than others. I am trying to point out that we have our own problems here at home that could stand some "artistic" or "satirical" lampooning.

[owenshooter]

And perhaps Andy has not looked into the Black Face comments because Twill had made that decision. Perhaps Andy wishes to consult with Twill about it, but that's hard to do while Twill is on vacation.

he has admin by his name. he was presented with the same info that links and portions of, have been posted in this thread, and which the mods received with my question about the avatar. if twill is the delay, perhaps a simple, "twill isn't here to readress the issue, give us a few days," would be helpful. otherwise, i am simply waiting to hear why the avatar falls under the guidelines HE presented in this thread. if he is not able to readdress the situation, perhaps he should not have attempted to validate the response i received.-0

[hulmey]

Most of the problems raised from this thread have to do with avatars that are insulting other people like the black face avatar insulted African-Americans because of its historical racist implications, the Muslim with a bomb in his hat insulted Muslims by implying that Muslims are irrational terrorists, and the distorted Olympic rings is used to insult Chinese people implying that they are an oppressive people as a whole.

My point is that these insults are a particularity of US-centric (more accurately Caucasian-centric) thinking that sees us better, more rational, kinder, more compassionate, and just better than others. I am trying to point out that we have our own problems here at home that could stand some "artistic" or "satirical" lampooning.

isnt owenshooter at home? Is america the land of white people? Coz ive been there and its like spot the whiteman

[The Fuzzy Pengui]

Alright guys, the attempted derails of this thread are getting out of hand.

Please keep this on topic or appropriate punishments will follow.

Owen, to answer your question, I'm not sure exactly who is in charge of making the final call for the black face avatar. I do know that Twill will most likely be gone for a few more weeks and Andy is dealing with most of the stuff while he is away. If there is something that's his call, I'm sure Andy will get ahold of him via e-mail or telephone and make sure you get an answer as soon as he gets a response back.

[mpjh]

Most of the problems raised from this thread have to do with avatars that are insulting other people like the black face avatar insulted African-Americans because of its historical racist implications, the Muslim with a bomb in his hat insulted Muslims by implying that Muslims are irrational terrorists, and the distorted Olympic rings is used to insult Chinese people implying that they are an oppressive people as a whole.

My point is that these insults are a particularity of US-centric (more accurately Caucasian-centric) thinking that sees us better, more rational, kinder, more compassionate, and just better than others. I am trying to point out that we have our own problems here at home that could stand some "artistic" or "satirical" lampooning.

isnt owenshooter at home? Is america the land of white people? Coz ive been there and its like spot the whiteman

I block owenshooter and don't read his posts or pms, so I have no idea what he is saying. Yes, America is the land controlled by white people, at least for the time being. However, more importantly, our dominant culture is white and encourages the kind of jingoistic sentiment that is implied in these avatars. I do understand the the Muslim avatar was a reaction to the refusal to ban the black face avatar. I am glad you live here, never meant to imply otherwise.

[Snorri1234]

Using a picture of the rings that have handcuffs is a political statement whether you intend it to be or not. Nothing clan be void of context.

exactly, about our warnings and forum bans... and if the handcuff images are being printed worldwide, which i had not seen, then it is considered art work and non-offensive.

Wordy word word. It's exactly like the other images only that this one is less controversial to most people. Jesus in piss is offensive to a large portion of this site because a large portion of this site is christian, blackface is offensive to a small portion of this site because a small portion of this site is black. That Hitler-thing is offensive to a very small portion of this site because a very small portion of this site is german/jewish. (At least that browse the forum) The same with the olympics thing, the same with the cartoon of mohammed, the same with a lot of other images and artworks.


This is why I don't think there should be any restriction at all on these things. There are so many things people can take offense at that it's futile to act against it and you should really just let the community deal with it themselves. I understand why Owen finds the black-face av offensive, and I think that anyone using such images is being very inconsiderate (read: a dick), but I don't think that or any other av should be banned. It's really up to the person themself and the larger community to deal with it, pm him kindly to take down his av explaining why you find it offensive and if he doesn't do that you can put him on ignore/adblock the picture (get firefox), but banning the usage of it?

[owenshooter]

I understand why Owen finds the black-face av offensive, and I think that anyone using such images is being very inconsiderate (read: a dick), but I don't think that or any other av should be banned. It's really up to the person themself and the larger community to deal with it, pm him kindly to take down his av explaining why you find it offensive and if he doesn't do that you can put him on ignore/adblock the picture (get firefox), but banning the usage of it?

i am fine with him using it, i just want to know WHY his image isn't offensive and "art work", while jbrettlips use of an image of himself with a tick and "i love lymes" was deemed offensive and he was asked to remove it... one is satire, one is blatantly racist. one is allowed, one is not. just want guidelines and a clear understanding. hell, look at robinette's nipple pic that came right down, yet the hitler avatar and sig are still flying in this thread, despite their being illegal in germany. i believe you either let it all go, within reason and let the community deal with it, as you stated. OR you have guidelines that are clear and distinct, and easy to interpret. the "common sense" rule, which andy presented, failed miserably with the black face avatar.-0

[Snorri1234]

Most of the problems raised from this thread have to do with avatars that are insulting other people like the black face avatar insulted African-Americans because of its historical racist implications, the Muslim with a bomb in his hat insulted Muslims by implying that Muslims are irrational terrorists, and the distorted Olympic rings is used to insult Chinese people implying that they are an oppressive people as a whole.

My point is that these insults are a particularity of US-centric (more accurately Caucasian-centric) thinking that sees us better, more rational, kinder, more compassionate, and just better than others. I am trying to point out that we have our own problems here at home that could stand some "artistic" or "satirical" lampooning.

Far better post. The problem is that it's entirely wrong.

The reason these av's aren't removed and cause controversy is precisely because this forum is US/Caucasian-centric. They don't notice the things that cause this controversy, simply because they are not aware of the controversy or don't care about it. It doesn't target them, so they don't act. The problem is not that this satire is taking place, but that the mods don't see it.
The ones who started this debate are the ones who pointed out how offensive these things were.

[Snorri1234]

I understand why Owen finds the black-face av offensive, and I think that anyone using such images is being very inconsiderate (read: a dick), but I don't think that or any other av should be banned. It's really up to the person themself and the larger community to deal with it, pm him kindly to take down his av explaining why you find it offensive and if he doesn't do that you can put him on ignore/adblock the picture (get firefox), but banning the usage of it?

i am fine with him using it, i just want to know WHY his image isn't offensive and "art work", while jbrettlips use of an image of himself with a tick and "i love lymes" was deemed offensive and he was asked to remove it... one is satire, one is blatantly racist. one is allowed, one is not. just want guidelines and a clear understanding. hell, look at robinette's nipple pic that came right down, yet the hitler avatar and sig are still flying in this thread, despite their being illegal in germany. i believe you either let it all go, within reason and let the community deal with it, as you stated. OR you have guidelines that are clear and distinct, and easy to interpret. the "common sense" rule, which andy presented, failed miserably with the black face avatar.-0

I fully agree. It's a double-standard which needs to be solved.

[hulmey]

Most of the problems raised from this thread have to do with avatars that are insulting other people like the black face avatar insulted African-Americans because of its historical racist implications, the Muslim with a bomb in his hat insulted Muslims by implying that Muslims are irrational terrorists, and the distorted Olympic rings is used to insult Chinese people implying that they are an oppressive people as a whole.

My point is that these insults are a particularity of US-centric (more accurately Caucasian-centric) thinking that sees us better, more rational, kinder, more compassionate, and just better than others. I am trying to point out that we have our own problems here at home that could stand some "artistic" or "satirical" lampooning.

Far better post. The problem is that it's entirely wrong.

The reason these av's aren't removed and cause controversy is precisely because this forum is US/Caucasian-centric. They don't notice the things that cause this controversy, simply because they are not aware of the controversy or don't care about it. It doesn't target them, so they don't act. The problem is not that this satire is taking place, but that the mods don't see it.
The ones who started this debate are the ones who pointed out how offensive these things were.

I do remember a CC member having to take down his avatar of a Swataski!!

[Snorri1234]

Most of the problems raised from this thread have to do with avatars that are insulting other people like the black face avatar insulted African-Americans because of its historical racist implications, the Muslim with a bomb in his hat insulted Muslims by implying that Muslims are irrational terrorists, and the distorted Olympic rings is used to insult Chinese people implying that they are an oppressive people as a whole.

My point is that these insults are a particularity of US-centric (more accurately Caucasian-centric) thinking that sees us better, more rational, kinder, more compassionate, and just better than others. I am trying to point out that we have our own problems here at home that could stand some "artistic" or "satirical" lampooning.

Far better post. The problem is that it's entirely wrong.

The reason these av's aren't removed and cause controversy is precisely because this forum is US/Caucasian-centric. They don't notice the things that cause this controversy, simply because they are not aware of the controversy or don't care about it. It doesn't target them, so they don't act. The problem is not that this satire is taking place, but that the mods don't see it.
The ones who started this debate are the ones who pointed out how offensive these things were.

I do remember a CC member having to take down his avatar of a Swataski!!

Swastika you mean?

[Night Strike]

I fully agree. It's a double-standard which needs to be solved.

Then give it some time to GET solved. Coming up with a set standard is not exactly an instantaneous or even overnight task. This thread was started on Saturday yet you all keep demanding the exact same answers. I recommend you all start a civilized thread in the Sugs&Bugs forum that can be used to design what YOU all want to see in an avatar/signature policy. There you can debate what should be included and perhaps provide examples that would fall on both sides of the aisle (some that are allowed and some that aren't). Proposing a solution is ALWAYS much faster than demanding a solution.

[owenshooter]

I fully agree. It's a double-standard which needs to be solved.

Then give it some time to GET solved. Coming up with a set standard is not exactly an instantaneous or even overnight task. This thread was started on Saturday yet you all keep demanding the exact same answers. I recommend you all start a civilized thread in the Sugs&Bugs forum that can be used to design what YOU all want to see in an avatar/signature policy.

well, first of all, this is a very civil discussion, with a high level of discourse... secondly, we were presented with a "common sense" guideline by an admin, "art work" guidelines by mods, and are simply waiting to see how the black face avatar falls under either of those banners. finally, we can't try to start a thread in suggs & bugs, until andy answers the question. i am fine with the avatar, i just want to understand the process and the reasoning behind allowing an extremely racist image, and deeming it not offensive.-0

[AndyDufresne]

Jeez, wander away for a day and a few people can't seem to hold their bananas! **Munches on a banana** Let me reread and see where it all left off.


--Andy

[owenshooter]

Jeez, wander away for a day and a few people can't seem to hold their bananas! **Munches on a banana** Let me reread and see where it all left off.


--Andy

thanks.. and i understand if twill is needed to rehash or address this with you. i am not irrational, and not asking for the guys avatar to be removed. just trying to understand how it all works and how it falls under the "common sense" guidelines you presented.-0

p.s.-*owenshooter begins the countdown to the removal of hitler in the thread... 3....2....1....*

[AndyDufresne]

Okay, I've reread.

When I spoke of common sense, never did I say or imply that the "Black face" was "condoned" beneath that banner. In fact, quite the contrary, it would be outside the realm of Common Sense, no? I'm not sure if all this hububb is simply a miscommunication and a misreading of words.

Blackface, and any other bigoted avatars, should be dealt with. Report them in the Cheating Abuse. It's better than PMing a moderator, because then there is a public record of it all, and something everyone can refer back to.

Back to the Common Sense, if you are going to essentially troll with an avatar, or signature, or image in your post, you will be dealt with accordingly. Nobody likes trolls, no matter what form they come in.


--Andy