Sweeney Todd Mafia ~ Town Wins. Ready to be Archived

[Commander9]

Are we allowed to discuss about the pies?

yes

So whatd everyone get? Mine made any night action I took random

Yup. Hallucinogen pies - I think we all got the same.

[naxus]

Are we allowed to discuss about the pies?

yes

So whatd everyone get? Mine made any night action I took random

Yup. Hallucinogen pies - I think we all got the same.

What does that suggest about yoshi now?

[edocsil]

Beadle Bamford Town Vig. Same conditions as the judge, if I strike a townie I lose my powers.

I ask that you spare me despite the guilty investigation. I had hoped the Safari wouldn't investigate me, after he claimed cop his suspicions of me were obvious and if the scum (or possibly even the town) had any sort of an ability to affect night actions is was going to be to turn my investigation to guilty by framing, busdriving and the like. I had hoped that Saf was merely lying a false trail to make his investigation less likely to be blocked, but I see that I was wrong.

Do what you will, I have little else to say in my defense.

[Commander9]

What does that suggest about yoshi now?

I don't think it's related with that... Or maybe it is, but if it is, I have no theories as of yet.

[edocsil]

What does that suggest about yoshi now?

I don't think it's related with that... Or maybe it is, but if it is, I have no theories as of yet.

The pies are made of the dead if flavor is to be followed. Perhaps Yoshi was insane after all, sounds like it would have fit the role.

[Commander9]

Beadle Bamford Town Vig. Same conditions as the judge, if I strike a townie I lose my powers.

I ask that you spare me despite the guilty investigation. I had hoped the Safari wouldn't investigate me, after he claimed cop his suspicions of me were obvious and if the scum (or possibly even the town) had any sort of an ability to affect night actions is was going to be to turn my investigation to guilty by framing, busdriving and the like. I had hoped that Saf was merely lying a false trail to make his investigation less likely to be blocked, but I see that I was wrong.

Do what you will, I have little else to say in my defense.

By some deduction, I think this pretty much but clears Edoc and Safari. Both of these are of the same alignment in the movie, so that should follow in the game. Unless this is an elaborate stunt (these two could definitely pull it off), sounds legit. Unvote for now - Todd is our priority.

[safariguy5]

First of all, I will unvote pending a counterclaim.

Reupdating the list.

1. Sweeney Todd- Probaby SKer
2. Mrs. Lovett- Pie maker per game mechanic, could be masoned with Sweeney Todd
3. Toby- Not sure...
4. Pirelli- Could be locator, looking for Todd
5. Judge Turpin- Me, Hated Town Cop
6. Beadle Bamford- edocsil (claimed) Hated Town Vig
7. Beggar woman/Lucy- claimed by DoomYoshi, pies gave random night actions, could be insane, Town Watcher
8. Anthony Hope- Lover, claimed by naxus
9. Johanna- essentially claimed by Com9, probable lover
10. Fogg- Could be jailkeeper
11. Royal Marine- Victor Sullivan, Town Roleblocker lynched.

That leaves 5 characters left, 2 probably town 2 definitely anti town, and 1 could go either way.

So the remaining unclaimed players are

VioIet
Haggis
ShaggyDan
TheSaxlad
jonty

But wait, Sax makes a very interesting comment.

I already claimed Turpin. And I said I was town. Who would be mafia in this game anyways?

Yes, I know - that's why I said you might be mafia. Turpin and his lackies seem like by far best candidates for mafia to me.

Agreed. And Its just as likely that safari is here trying to mislead us. Or the mod is lied to me in the role PM

That's quite odd, I thought we had somewhat bought my claim that I was pro town. So your role pm doesn't exactly make it clear who is town apparently.

I'll give it a little time to see if we have a counterclaim of edocsil, but Sax would be my next target.

Fos Sax

[Commander9]

That's quite odd, I thought we had somewhat bought my claim that I was pro town. So your role pm doesn't exactly make it clear who is town apparently.

I'll give it a little time to see if we have a counterclaim of edocsil, but Sax would be my next target.

Fos Sax

Well, right until Edoc's claim I didn't bought that you were pro-town either... And I'm still not completely sure, but now I'm willing to risk it. I'd personally prefer to pressure Haggis - he has been laying rather low here.

[VioIet]

Well, lets put some pressure on Edoc and see what he has to say. Vote Edoc.

+1 vote Edoc

I got a guilty result, and as I said during morning, I don't think I'm insane or paranoid.

vote edocsil

But you could be mafia while Todd is a SK

Or you could be.

Vote Commander

[Commander9]

Or you could be.

Vote Commander

*Deep deep sigh*

Nice skimming.

[VioIet]

First of all, I will unvote pending a counterclaim.

Reupdating the list.

1. Sweeney Todd- Probaby SKer
2. Mrs. Lovett- Pie maker per game mechanic, could be masoned with Sweeney Todd
3. Toby- Not sure...
4. Pirelli- Could be locator, looking for Todd
5. Judge Turpin- Me, Hated Town Cop
6. Beadle Bamford- edocsil (claimed) Hated Town Vig
7. Beggar woman/Lucy- claimed by DoomYoshi, pies gave random night actions, could be insane, Town Watcher
8. Anthony Hope- Lover, claimed by naxus
9. Johanna- essentially claimed by Com9, probable lover
10. Fogg- Could be jailkeeper
11. Royal Marine- Victor Sullivan, Town Roleblocker lynched.

That leaves 5 characters left, 2 probably town 2 definitely anti town, and 1 could go either way.

So the remaining unclaimed players are

VioIet
Haggis
ShaggyDan
TheSaxlad
jonty

But wait, Sax makes a very interesting comment.

I already claimed Turpin. And I said I was town. Who would be mafia in this game anyways?

Yes, I know - that's why I said you might be mafia. Turpin and his lackies seem like by far best candidates for mafia to me.

Agreed. And Its just as likely that safari is here trying to mislead us. Or the mod is lied to me in the role PM

That's quite odd, I thought we had somewhat bought my claim that I was pro town. So your role pm doesn't exactly make it clear who is town apparently.

I'll give it a little time to see if we have a counterclaim of edocsil, but Sax would be my next target.

Fos Sax

Yeah it was a bit odd- as saf and commander seem think you must be anti-town. Very like minded there.

Now if Todd is indeed the SK- then that means we have 2 or 3 mafia?

We know of saf's list of unclaimed players- there must be at least two mafia in there.

From here on out, it will just be process of elimination.

[safariguy5]

That's quite odd, I thought we had somewhat bought my claim that I was pro town. So your role pm doesn't exactly make it clear who is town apparently.

I'll give it a little time to see if we have a counterclaim of edocsil, but Sax would be my next target.

Fos Sax

Well, right until Edoc's claim I didn't bought that you were pro-town either... And I'm still not completely sure, but now I'm willing to risk it. I'd personally prefer to pressure Haggis - he has been laying rather low here.

Agreed, but this far into the game, there shouldn't be any disputes about who constitutes town. I hinted at it on Day 1, was forced to make it clear at the end of Day 1, Yoshi's death makes it somewhat clearer (if he is who he says he is) and now edocsil has claimed sufficiently to back me up. Sax's comment makes no sense whatsoever unless he isn't town or skimming as well.

[Commander9]

Agreed, but this far into the game, there shouldn't be any disputes about who constitutes town. I hinted at it on Day 1, was forced to make it clear at the end of Day 1, Yoshi's death makes it somewhat clearer (if he is who he says he is) and now edocsil has claimed sufficiently to back me up. Sax's comment makes no sense whatsoever unless he isn't town or skimming as well.

And you are forgetting that Sax hasn't posted since Edoc's claim.

[safariguy5]

Agreed, but this far into the game, there shouldn't be any disputes about who constitutes town. I hinted at it on Day 1, was forced to make it clear at the end of Day 1, Yoshi's death makes it somewhat clearer (if he is who he says he is) and now edocsil has claimed sufficiently to back me up. Sax's comment makes no sense whatsoever unless he isn't town or skimming as well.

And you are forgetting that Sax hasn't posted since Edoc's claim.

Quite frankly, I think that questioning my being town was a settled issue from Day 1. Pressuring the submariner is considered "easy" by some. I only think it fair that if I jump on Yoshi for questioning town alignment, it should be the same with Sax.

[Commander9]

Quite frankly, I think that questioning my being town was a settled issue from Day 1. Pressuring the submariner is considered "easy" by some. I only think it fair that if I jump on Yoshi for questioning town alignment, it should be the same with Sax.

I'm not saying that Sax has not been a bit scummy, but I won't let you accuse him on false settings (in my eyes, anyways). How was your question settled at Day 1? The Judge was a very negative character in the movie who wasn't not afraid to completely f*ck people if he thought it was good for him. Pardon my language, but he was a complete prick and by no means I'd have put him as a pro-town character. Furthermore, your actions were not exactly all that good either. You keep repeating that your townyness was confirmed on Day 1, yet it's Day 2 and I'm yet to be certain of your alignment. I personally really dislike the way you are trying to twist the facts here and trying to lynch Sax here.

[safariguy5]

Quite frankly, I think that questioning my being town was a settled issue from Day 1. Pressuring the submariner is considered "easy" by some. I only think it fair that if I jump on Yoshi for questioning town alignment, it should be the same with Sax.

I'm not saying that Sax has not been a bit scummy, but I won't let you accuse him on false settings (in my eyes, anyways). How was your question settled at Day 1? The Judge was a very negative character in the movie who wasn't not afraid to completely f*ck people if he thought it was good for him. Pardon my language, but he was a complete prick and by no means I'd have put him as a pro-town character. Furthermore, your actions were not exactly all that good either. You keep repeating that your townyness was confirmed on Day 1, yet it's Day 2 and I'm yet to be certain of your alignment. I personally really dislike the way you are trying to twist the facts here and trying to lynch Sax here.

Funny how you raise this issue now instead of on Day 1 when I claimed. And your case on Haggis is what exactly? That he's been submarining? Like Vio said, there's 5 people who haven't claimed to some extent and probably 2 of them are mafia. We have to pick someone and go with it. If Sax turns out to be a town character like Yoshi was, I'm fine with pursuing someone else.

[ShaggyDan]

We know of saf's list of unclaimed players- there must be at least two mafia in there.

From here on out, it will just be process of elimination.

I'm a very firm believer that you should never believe flavour claims 100%. For all we know there could have been fakeclaims given out.

The flavour of a 'hated' vig in Beadle doesn't fit from my point of view on the movie. Beadle had no problem going after Anthony and severely hurting him in the movie (and I would assume Anthony is town). I'm still convinced of a Lovett / Todd mafia (and the scene really seems to suggest that), so in my eyes the character of Beadle is clear. Whether the claim is real or not is another story.

If he isn't really Beadle; without a counter-claim the only option is that the real Beadle hasn't responded yet, or mafia were given fakeclaims, or he got lucky and claimed someone not in the game.

As much as I don't want to accidentally lynch a vig if he has been framed, it's a much safer thing to lynch rather than a doc or another investigative role. Edoc; is there anything in your role about possibly being a miller? I guess a framer is possible, but I can't think what sort of character would fit that role, also a bus-driver in this set-up, particularly a scum bus-driver, seems over powered. If there are any town bus-drivers perhaps now would be the time to pipe-up (ONLY if they have information that helps us with the lynch today, not for no reason at all). I'd rather another role outed and be able to hit scum then flounder around today.

The question is if he got a guilty on Edoc, then how? What role fits a bus-driver or framer? There are 3 possibilities:

1. Edoc is guilty and fakeclaiming.
2. Edoc is innocent and was framed / swapped.
3. Saf has been lieing (which could be the case if Edoc is innocent or guilty and being bussed).

Personally I'd like to look into why there was a guilty result a little more and see if we can base any assumptions or derive any facts from it. Out of the three assumptions above I think 1 is the most likely, then 2, then 3. Though to be honest I'm not sure, and I'm basing it largely off gut feeling.

[ShaggyDan]

Also; was I the only one that got the impression from the flavour text that Todd may have won if Turpin had been lynched. The scene of Turpin being in the chair and Todd close to killing him? Might possibly be worth a re-read of day 1?

Though, then again I might be reading into flavour too much.

[edocsil]

If I am a miller it would be a hidden role, as in I was not told. Mr. S does tend to add twists to roles so I could believe it, but I wouldn't suggest it about myself. If I knew that I was a miller D1 would have been played different, not anywhere near as aggressive. I was planing on being the protown hero, especially now when it sounds like the roles are a little weak a Vig that can mess up more then once can be useful.

[jonty125]

First of all, I will unvote pending a counterclaim.

Reupdating the list.

1. Sweeney Todd- Probaby SKer
2. Mrs. Lovett- Pie maker per game mechanic, could be masoned with Sweeney Todd
3. Toby- Not sure...
4. Pirelli- Could be locator, looking for Todd
5. Judge Turpin- Me, Hated Town Cop
6. Beadle Bamford- edocsil (claimed) Hated Town Vig
7. Beggar woman/Lucy- claimed by DoomYoshi, pies gave random night actions, could be insane, Town Watcher
8. Anthony Hope- Lover, claimed by naxus
9. Johanna- essentially claimed by Com9, probable lover
10. Fogg- Could be jailkeeper
11. Royal Marine- Victor Sullivan, Town Roleblocker lynched.

there will be a few VTs

Why do you keep forgetting this part?

[VioIet]

First of all, I will unvote pending a counterclaim.

Reupdating the list.

1. Sweeney Todd- Probaby SKer
2. Mrs. Lovett- Pie maker per game mechanic, could be masoned with Sweeney Todd
3. Toby- Not sure...
4. Pirelli- Could be locator, looking for Todd
5. Judge Turpin- Me, Hated Town Cop
6. Beadle Bamford- edocsil (claimed) Hated Town Vig
7. Beggar woman/Lucy- claimed by DoomYoshi, pies gave random night actions, could be insane, Town Watcher
8. Anthony Hope- Lover, claimed by naxus
9. Johanna- essentially claimed by Com9, probable lover
10. Fogg- Could be jailkeeper
11. Royal Marine- Victor Sullivan, Town Roleblocker lynched.

there will be a few VTs

Why do you keep forgetting this part?

I have certainly not forgotten it. In fact, there is a constant reminder.
I cannot speak for others however.
Now- if saf did indeed list all the characters in the movie that will be in this game (i have no clue as i didn't read the book or watch the movie), then which one could be VT.
Only role I see left on the list is Toby, plus the four people that are unaccounted for.

[safariguy5]

First of all, I will unvote pending a counterclaim.

Reupdating the list.

1. Sweeney Todd- Probaby SKer
2. Mrs. Lovett- Pie maker per game mechanic, could be masoned with Sweeney Todd
3. Toby- Not sure...
4. Pirelli- Could be locator, looking for Todd
5. Judge Turpin- Me, Hated Town Cop
6. Beadle Bamford- edocsil (claimed) Hated Town Vig
7. Beggar woman/Lucy- claimed by DoomYoshi, pies gave random night actions, could be insane, Town Watcher
8. Anthony Hope- Lover, claimed by naxus
9. Johanna- essentially claimed by Com9, probable lover
10. Fogg- Could be jailkeeper
11. Royal Marine- Victor Sullivan, Town Roleblocker lynched.

there will be a few VTs

Why do you keep forgetting this part?

Why? Are you claiming a VT role?

Looking at setup, we have 1 watcher (allegedly), and 1 hated cop which sounds about right for 1 whole investigative role. 1 hated vig (allegedly) who would be akin to half a town killing role. I could see Toby, Fogg and Pirelli possibly being VT, although I really think Fogg would fit better as a jailkeeper as there are no protective roles that I can see yet.

Also; was I the only one that got the impression from the flavour text that Todd may have won if Turpin had been lynched. The scene of Turpin being in the chair and Todd close to killing him? Might possibly be worth a re-read of day 1?

Though, then again I might be reading into flavour too much.

That was from the movie. It's intentional I think.

[jonty125]

First of all, I will unvote pending a counterclaim.

Reupdating the list.

1. Sweeney Todd- Probaby SKer
2. Mrs. Lovett- Pie maker per game mechanic, could be masoned with Sweeney Todd
3. Toby- Not sure...
4. Pirelli- Could be locator, looking for Todd
5. Judge Turpin- Me, Hated Town Cop
6. Beadle Bamford- edocsil (claimed) Hated Town Vig
7. Beggar woman/Lucy- claimed by DoomYoshi, pies gave random night actions, could be insane, Town Watcher
8. Anthony Hope- Lover, claimed by naxus
9. Johanna- essentially claimed by Com9, probable lover
10. Fogg- Could be jailkeeper
11. Royal Marine- Victor Sullivan, Town Roleblocker lynched.

there will be a few VTs

Why do you keep forgetting this part?

Why? Are you claiming a VT role?

Looking at setup, we have 1 watcher (allegedly), and 1 hated cop which sounds about right for 1 whole investigative role. 1 hated vig (allegedly) who would be akin to half a town killing role. I could see Toby, Fogg and Pirelli possibly being VT, although I really think Fogg would fit better as a jailkeeper as there are no protective roles that I can see yet.

Also; was I the only one that got the impression from the flavour text that Todd may have won if Turpin had been lynched. The scene of Turpin being in the chair and Todd close to killing him? Might possibly be worth a re-read of day 1?

Though, then again I might be reading into flavour too much.

That was from the movie. It's intentional I think.

I aren't claiming a VT role but if we put pressure on mafia and claims somone off your flavour spec list who isn't in the game, then there will be no counterclaims, therefore we as a town will probaby believe them.

[safariguy5]

First of all, I will unvote pending a counterclaim.

Reupdating the list.

1. Sweeney Todd- Probaby SKer
2. Mrs. Lovett- Pie maker per game mechanic, could be masoned with Sweeney Todd
3. Toby- Not sure...
4. Pirelli- Could be locator, looking for Todd
5. Judge Turpin- Me, Hated Town Cop
6. Beadle Bamford- edocsil (claimed) Hated Town Vig
7. Beggar woman/Lucy- claimed by DoomYoshi, pies gave random night actions, could be insane, Town Watcher
8. Anthony Hope- Lover, claimed by naxus
9. Johanna- essentially claimed by Com9, probable lover
10. Fogg- Could be jailkeeper
11. Royal Marine- Victor Sullivan, Town Roleblocker lynched.

there will be a few VTs

Why do you keep forgetting this part?

Why? Are you claiming a VT role?

Looking at setup, we have 1 watcher (allegedly), and 1 hated cop which sounds about right for 1 whole investigative role. 1 hated vig (allegedly) who would be akin to half a town killing role. I could see Toby, Fogg and Pirelli possibly being VT, although I really think Fogg would fit better as a jailkeeper as there are no protective roles that I can see yet.

Also; was I the only one that got the impression from the flavour text that Todd may have won if Turpin had been lynched. The scene of Turpin being in the chair and Todd close to killing him? Might possibly be worth a re-read of day 1?

Though, then again I might be reading into flavour too much.

That was from the movie. It's intentional I think.

I aren't claiming a VT role but if we put pressure on mafia and claims somone off your flavour spec list who isn't in the game, then there will be no counterclaims, therefore we as a town will probaby believe them.

There's nobody else in the movie or play. Anyone not claiming something from the list, especially since we outed Victor as the marine, should be lynched automatically as their claim is obviously fake. I see no room for fakeclaiming in this setup unless Mr. Squirrel put in random townspeople roles.

[Haggis_McMutton]

I can definitely see Mr. S. putting in some more random townspeople. Don't think he'd just go for all the characters like that.
Fogg, Pirelli, even Toby could easily not be in this game.

Also, unvote.