[Exp] CYOC! #4 Endgame! Town wins, you filthy animals

[dakky21]

its dffinatly interesting you wanna kill someone who in the long run COULD be the choosing factor in weather or not town or skum win this thing

It's definitely interesting you don't want to see him dead.

[madmitch]

@Dakky why vote Endgame now? don't let them pressure you,it is funny that both you and end think streaker is scum, might be worth wile to check out. Well streaker are you scum or are both these guys wrong?

[dakky21]

@Dakky why vote Endgame now? don't let them pressure you,it is funny that both you and end think streaker is scum, might be worth wile to check out. Well streaker are you scum or are both these guys wrong?

I know I am inconsistent in my game play, but sometimes experienced players will note the inconsistencies, and give me proper credit. Endgame is just so pushing me while I already claimed and I did that for town to prosper, but his claim was to eliminate him from mafia kills so they can aim at town, or have more chances to hit town.

Yes, we can go for Streaker, but I don't like how endgame is playing, that's all.

You mitch on the other hand sound too "sure" and why wouldn't I let them pressure me? It's funny we both think Streak is scum? Might be a worthwile to check it out? Why don't we check you instead? You got one more plus in my book with this post mitch... plus as leaning mafia more.

[madmitch]

After rereading every thing again I believe Dakky and End are in a 3rd party faction and wcg might be right along with them,first he steered us away from a Dakky vote and now he seems to be protecting End. AT least End came out and enlighten us , Dakky is still hiding,and now he wants to lynch his partner, sounds like a mime to me,so I think I will UNVOTE VOTE DAKKY

[TimWoodbury]

its dffinatly interesting you wanna kill someone who in the long run COULD be the choosing factor in weather or not town or skum win this thing

It's definitely interesting you don't want to see him dead.

so not wanting to kill someone whom we know right now will help town at the momemt is funny??? maybe down the road we kill him yah but not right now

[Marashu]

After rereading every thing again I believe Dakky and End are in a 3rd party faction and wcg might be right along with them,first he steered us away from a Dakky vote and now he seems to be protecting End. AT least End came out and enlighten us , Dakky is still hiding,and now he wants to lynch his partner, sounds like a mime to me,so I think I will UNVOTE VOTE DAKKY

When I first read this, I thought it was just mitch not really understanding 3rd party. Then I remembered this:

I read this as TFO's hint that there are two killing factions? Agree?

I feel like mitch's theory deserves a bit of scrutiny. End could be claiming survivor to keep the other killing faction off of him. I disagree with the read of dakky being a mime. I could also believe that Wing/Dakky or Wing/End are a thing, but I don't think all 3 would be together, because if there's more than one mafia, then that would leave us with two rather large mafias and not enough days to lynch them all. I think the easiest way to test this theory would be to lynch Wing, but at this moment I'm not convinced it's the best way.

End and Dakky could also both be separate 3rd party, with Dakky being an SK (easy enough to softclaim vig). Says his claim helps town, but it really didn't.

[pancakemix]

@pcm thankyou and I am sorry I lost my temper, just a bad dayand you are right I will try to post better remarks

No worries man.

I was reading up on third party roles trying to find one close to Ends role.the only ones that I can see that even comes close are the inquisitor and the mentor is there any other role that come close ,what do think guys or can you explain your role better Endgame

You may want to check out past CYOC games. You'll see a lot of the roles are tailored to the characters chosen. That said, it's doubtful you'll find one like Endgame's anywhere for that very reason.

Madmitch stands out for being mimicry as pCM says but I always find him difficult to read because he can be erratic. The fact that IB is not suggesting any type of scum hilunting stands out to me more than trying to lynch third party. He's better than that and right now he would be my choice for lymch.

As wing said. Storrs didn't decide HP in mafia s favor, town lost that game. I know because we lost in part to my mistakes and inability to press an aage lynch when I was becoming increasingly certain he was scum.

I agree in principle on IB, but I'd also point out that IB is among those who will focus in on a player and try to see out their lynch once he's decided on it.

As for Streaker's comment: while I can see what people were saying on town losing on it's own, it makes me wonder whether or not Storr was playing the town game at all. That kind of gambit is right up Storr's alley, and once he knew he was safe he really would have no reason to push any further on hunting, just keep up appearances. Again, I didn't play that game, but it's worth considering in this case. What's Endgame's incentive to really help us?

1. You pulled back by saying you might have lied about your claim,how can we accept it when you yourself dispute it?
2. From the person who softclaimed vig basically immediately saying you dont like un-pressured claims is a bit hypocritical,dont you think?
3.Im at L-7 now was at L-8 when i claimed, unless mitch and tim are both quadruple voters i dont believe a hammer was your concern.

1&2. I pulled back at Wing's advice, so now mafia can't know if really I am the vig or not.
3. vote Endsgame. Happy now?

This is like when a kid is hiding something behind their back and when you ask them what they have, they giggle and say "Nothiiiiing..."

On the 3rd party theory: I'd go halvsies with that idea. I think they could both be third party, but I doubt they're in cahoots. Their actions toward each other don't suggest they're trying to pull one over on us by appearing opposed (side note, I've played dozens of mafia games and have never seen that happen.) or that the animosity will let up. Plus, if they're a 3rd party team... isn't that just another mafia?

With that in mind, I'm going to Vote Dakky because so far I find his play highly suspicious for having all but claimed but not actually doing so. That, and his aggression on Endgame where the rest of us have elected to discuss.

[madmitch]

@ Mars , I may have went to far on the claim against wcg ,but with the other two no,they both claim they want to be town aligned and can help town but with a cost , be careful of these guys

[TimWoodbury]

i was thinking of throwing a vote on dakky as well for how he is going about things but before i do may i know the VC?

[dakky21]

i was thinking of throwing a vote on dakky as well for how he is going about things but before i do may i know the VC?

I think there are only 2 votes on me so far, so go ahead and vote me. I'll be on L-5 so don't be afraid of the quick hammer.

[madmitch]

why do you want to die so quickly Dakky ?

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

i was thinking of throwing a vote on dakky as well for how he is going about things but before i do may i know the VC?

Are you going to explain why?

[TimWoodbury]

for the reason i said above he wants to kill a guy who right now can help town, maybe don the road we kill him if he turns on us but for now we leave him alone thus why i say
vote dakky

[TimWoodbury]

[quote="madmitch"]why do you want to die so quickly Dakky ?[/quote

not shure he wants to die quick he was jsut saying he bealive there was 2 votes on him so it wouldnt hurt if i threw mine on (i didnt wanna hammer)

[Endgame422]

My reason to truly try and help town is it increases my odds of winning. If town wins on the D3/D4 lynch,i also win,this is the ideal situation for me.
In order to win with mafia i would have to survive to lylo,then hope mafia was willing to work with me,all while appearing town right until the end? Unlikely that i could swing that.
Every day/night cycle is just 2 more chances for me to die and thusly lose.
Town victory is my best chance here.

[TimWoodbury]

My reason to truly try and help town is it increases my odds of winning. If town wins on the D3/D4 lynch,i also win,this is the ideal situation for me.
In order to win with mafia i would have to survive to lylo,then hope mafia was willing to work with me,all while appearing town right until the end? Unlikely that i could swing that.
Every day/night cycle is just 2 more chances for me to die and thusly lose.
Town victory is my best chance here.

and dakky wants to lych you d1 dont that scream skum

[dakky21]

My reason to truly try and help town is it increases my odds of winning. If town wins on the D3/D4 lynch,i also win,this is the ideal situation for me.
In order to win with mafia i would have to survive to lylo,then hope mafia was willing to work with me,all while appearing town right until the end? Unlikely that i could swing that.
Every day/night cycle is just 2 more chances for me to die and thusly lose.
Town victory is my best chance here.

and dakky wants to lych you d1 dont that scream skum

I just cant read both of you. I told you already I am town vig. You could have readed that already. Notice the town prefix. I'm not lying and WHY would I claim such a role when I know mafia will either try to lynch me or kill me at night... now Tim, try to think... if you were town... would you claim such a role? No.... But if you were mafia, you'd try to lynch me to get town credit. I voted endgame to see the results, and you, pancake and mitch are going for first option... Yeah, kill me, go ahead, I certainly hope so you'll be next then.

[TimWoodbury]

My reason to truly try and help town is it increases my odds of winning. If town wins on the D3/D4 lynch,i also win,this is the ideal situation for me.
In order to win with mafia i would have to survive to lylo,then hope mafia was willing to work with me,all while appearing town right until the end? Unlikely that i could swing that.
Every day/night cycle is just 2 more chances for me to die and thusly lose.
Town victory is my best chance here.

and dakky wants to lych you d1 dont that scream skum

I just cant read both of you. I told you already I am town vig. You could have readed that already. Notice the town prefix. I'm not lying and WHY would I claim such a role when I know mafia will either try to lynch me or kill me at night... now Tim, try to think... if you were town... would you claim such a role? No.... But if you were mafia, you'd try to lynch me to get town credit. I voted endgame to see the results, and you, pancake and mitch are going for first option... Yeah, kill me, go ahead, I certainly hope so you'll be next then.

i saw where people was speculating you claimed vig didnt ever see you say till now that you WAS vig so with that im going to unvote

[dakky21]

i saw where people was speculating you claimed vig didnt ever see you say till now that you WAS vig so with that im going to unvote

Actually, I don't think that will help you now. Read better next time...

[dakky21]

of course, EBWOP,

unvote
vote Tim

[Endgame422]

Tim why unvote at the vig claim from dakky?

[TimWoodbury]

Tim why unvote at the vig claim from dakky?

because im going off the assumption that vig is town (the 1 game i was in with vig the vig was town)

@dakky so just because i issed prolly 1 post from you, you vote me that sounds like its more then likley just a OMGUS then anything

[Endgame422]

Mafia/SK also have kill power though.
Its a decent move to "prove" your town by claiming vig and claiming your kills,especially if there are multiple killing roles or scum have a doublekill.
Vig is a perfect fakeclaim for scum or SK here. That doesnt mean dakky is scum for sure,but it certainly does not mean he is town.

[dakky21]

If you only knew which character I chose which role I got (vig, but why), you wouldn't doubt it, but I can't say anything more than that

[strike wolf]

Forgive me if I am wrong but I thought characters were not alignment indicative?