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Vote count

Natewolfman - 5 (pmchugh, spiesr, Nickbaldwin, Sierra_Leon, LSU Tiger Josh)

Not voting: animorpherv1, sam_levi_11, dunc_2007, drake_259, cena-rules, farside22, Natewolfman

With 12 alive, it takes 7 votes to lynch.
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[farside22]

Hi all. I come from MS. Please don't hate me. I have to run off for a bit but I'm at page 10 and here is what I have thus far.

Sierra Leon post in regards to Switch blade was valid.
Don't like dunc-2007 reply to the comment
dunc post and vote on switchblade is highly questionable.
I have a feeling I'm going to see votes with no reasons at this site based on Nick's vote for switch and ace's vote for drake
I really like Sierra. Sorry the post in which Sierra comments to drake on his claim comment was something any scum could say too.
Ace1217 is physic apparently:

Unvote because I think I know what your hinting at.

yay the weak hinting I missed and the multiple I think I knows is terriblly weak.
Aces' I know what drake is hinting to voting him is highly suspicious to me.
switchblades vote without reason.
LSU asking about a choice between switch or drake is weird. Why even think of lynching drake with the claim?
Nick: Seriously why the vote when he claim. What about the claim did you disbelieve?
I see I will be agreeing with Sierra this game.
pmchugh: Why would you think mafia did the kill when the death scene talks about blood all over the room. I would think a bloody mess like that is a wolf attack.
spiesr has nothing to say just as good as his predessor I see. (yawn)
Ah mod had my hopes up with the death scene and all and ruins it. Well that stinks

[farside22]

Hello again. Finished my read. Last of my comments.
I'm sorry what?

by pmchugh » Tue Dec 23, 2008 6:13 pm

Im not sure I believe drakes claim, it may not be far from the truth but it could be what stopped the second kill last night, if you know what I mean.

That is just nuts. I am not going into WIFOM, but this looks really scummy ATM.

LSU didn't the replacement for switch say he had not idea what switch was hinting at? Don't like the post to test both claims when the person who replaced seems clueless to the hint.

Nat's vote on PMC comes off as OMGUS.

@SPIESR why side with pmc?

I dont think your mafia, but perhaps that werewolf role, gut feeling.

Perhaps because your mafia and therefore know that I am not?

I'm thinking more likely Nat is scum and Pmc is wolf but that is just me right now.

dunc makes sense about both cases on Nat and PMC

Nick: Don't you find it more odd when you see someone defend another player then a player defending himself that gets more votes with no reason?

Sam needs to take a chill pill when being attacked as everyone looks suspicious if you dont' have a good read on them. I say deal with it.

@dun: I have heard of investigation on odd or even nights. It isn't new. Usually I know deputy as a role that could take over for cop not be a second cop. Kind of weird there.

Spiesr FOS

So I guess somebody needs say if their roll confirms or counters nate so we can figure out what to do...

Horrible lets out the cop to verify so the mafia know who to kill. What if there is a cop and he doesnt' know there is a deputy. UGH MY HEAD!!!

Based on my read I feel like LSU defending Ace is just too much for me. The replacements helped in some cases and no I dont' believe in meta as ace was null in this case and should have been pressured!
Not sure about Nat's claim. But seriously Spiesr last comment just deserves a vote on principle alone. YUCK!

vote: Spiesr

[dunc_2007]

Welcome to the site, farside. I have a few things to say to you...

I have a feeling I'm going to see votes with no reasons at this site based on Nick's vote for switch and ace's vote for drake

This is correct. Most games begin with random voting here.

@dun: I have heard of investigation on odd or even nights. It isn't new. Usually I know deputy as a role that could take over for cop not be a second cop. Kind of weird there.

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Yes, in my experience the deputy replaces the cop, instead of working alongside him. I agree that it is a weird and questoinable idea.

Finally, your conclusion against speisr is an interesting one. It seems a good enough case right now, but I guess I'll reread after I've gotten some sleep.

[farside22]

Welcome to the site, farside. I have a few things to say to you...

I have a feeling I'm going to see votes with no reasons at this site based on Nick's vote for switch and ace's vote for drake

This is correct. Most games begin with random voting here.

Oh I know random voting. I just don't see random votes switch from one person to another on a whim. Usually pressure one person or just vote and see what happens. Depends on the site and people.

[spiesr]

Spiesr FOS

So I guess somebody needs say if their roll confirms or counters nate so we can figure out what to do...

Horrible lets out the cop to verify so the mafia know who to kill. What if there is a cop and he doesnt' know there is a deputy. UGH MY HEAD!!!

Well, to the unique nature of nate's claim, the cop by whether his powers worked every night or only on odd nights would likely know if nate's claim is BS or real. As I said before, the best thing would probably be for the cop to only speak up if nate is lying. But as I also said in a game with (at that time) 2 people not posting and a couple of unactive players there is a risk one one of them being the cop nate's lie slipping by that way and us believing him to be confirmed for quite a while. (Possibly the rest of the game.)

[pmchugh]

good to see someone else who posts a fair amount, there are far too few here these days, dont worry about being from MS we wont hate you in public .

Half the time I don't have a clue what you are saying and need to read back to understand; a few more quotes would be helpful.

I have a feeling I'm going to see votes with no reasons at this site based on Nick's vote for switch and ace's vote for drake

Don't judge us all by ace and nick

LSU asking about a choice between switch or drake is weird. Why even think of lynching drake with the claim?
Nick: Seriously why the vote when he claim. What about the claim did you disbelieve?
I see I will be agreeing with Sierra this game.

Good points.

pmchugh: Why would you think mafia did the kill when the death scene talks about blood all over the room. I would think a bloody mess like that is a wolf attack.

Don't know gunshots? Who cares it doesn't matter as the mod said that the scenes contain no clues.

Hello again. Finished my read. Last of my comments.
I'm sorry what?

by pmchugh » Tue Dec 23, 2008 6:13 pm

Im not sure I believe drakes claim, it may not be far from the truth but it could be what stopped the second kill last night, if you know what I mean.

That is just nuts. I am not going into WIFOM, but this looks really scummy ATM.

Basically what I was trying to hint at without actually saying it that Drake could actually be bulletproof not wolfsbane i.e. he can't be killed by mafia but can be killed by werewolves. This would be a great bluff, he has to claim and this gives a fairly honest claim but he says it the other way round so that the wolves wont kill him and the mafia will definately try to. It would be a very smart move if it were true.

Nat's vote on PMC comes off as OMGUS.

yeah and grass is green

I dont think your mafia, but perhaps that werewolf role, gut feeling.

Perhaps because your mafia and therefore know that I am not?

I'm thinking more likely Nat is scum and Pmc is wolf but that is just me right now.

And what has made you think that? Surely not the above posts?

Spiesr FOS

So I guess somebody needs say if their roll confirms or counters nate so we can figure out what to do...

Horrible lets out the cop to verify so the mafia know who to kill. What if there is a cop and he doesnt' know there is a deputy. UGH MY HEAD!!!

Couldn't agree more.

Based on my read I feel like LSU defending Ace (pmchugh) is just too much for me.

I take it you are reffering to:

Ace always sounds scummy no matter his role. I have no clue on the wolfsbane bit though.

He speaks the truth, like it or not meta is a part of the game and I have never seen ace look town in any game he has played before or after this one.

And many more people have voted for nate apart from LSU and in fact for a while he didn't vote or even fos him before hearing out the argument.

Basically your down to one comment and the fact he never voted for ace, thats hardly a big connection you could say the same for other players as well.

Good posts keep em' coming.

[spaceghst44]

i'll join.

[pmchugh]

Spiesr FOS

So I guess somebody needs say if their roll confirms or counters nate so we can figure out what to do...

Horrible lets out the cop to verify so the mafia know who to kill. What if there is a cop and he doesnt' know there is a deputy. UGH MY HEAD!!!

Well, to the unique nature of nate's claim, the cop by whether his powers worked every night or only on odd nights would likely know if nate's claim is BS or real. As I said before, the best thing would probably be for the cop to only speak up if nate is lying. But as I also said in a game with (at that time) 2 people not posting and a couple of unactive players there is a risk one one of them being the cop nate's lie slipping by that way and us believing him to be confirmed for quite a while. (Possibly the rest of the game.)

Its possible he would know but far too big a risk this early in the game and pointless to reveal himself just to lynch nate when he can't be certain of it. The fact you would want the cop to reveal himself at this stage is ridiculous and well worth the vote you recieved.

[farside22]

@pmc: I didn't want to copy a whole lot of quotes on my read. I just tried to made points on things I read in the game. I really will say have a post number at MS helps me so people know where to look but life is as it is.
I had more then just the one comment that LSU stated that just felt like scum defending his buddy. i will go back and look for the specific items that caught my eye.
I think you stated the flavor as a mafia kill which seems an odd thing to guess at the start of the day and even though the mod confirmed later that the death scene meant next to nothing it caught my attention.


PS: I appologize if I post a lot in a day. I get board at work sometimes and I need to get to something that isn't so mind numbing.

[pmchugh]

@pmc: I didn't want to copy a whole lot of quotes on my read. I just tried to made points on things I read in the game. I really will say have a post number at MS helps me so people know where to look but life is as it is.

Fair enough, I love quoting though

I think you stated the flavor as a mafia kill which seems an odd thing to guess at the start of the day and even though the mod confirmed later that the death scene meant next to nothing it caught my attention.

Meh I was just specualting really I thought their were clues in their admittedly if there were I wouldnt have picked them out well.

PS: I appologize if I post a lot in a day. I get board at work sometimes and I need to get to something that isn't so mind numbing.

Thats a good thing don't appoligise.

[spiesr]

Basically what I was trying to hint at without actually saying it that Drake could actually be bulletproof not wolfsbane i.e. he can't be killed by mafia but can be killed by werewolves. This would be a great bluff, he has to claim and this gives a fairly honest claim but he says it the other way round so that the wolves wont kill him and the mafia will definitely try to. It would be a very smart move if it were true.

I disagree with your assessment of how good a move that would be. In this game there is a decent chance that there would be a bulletproof as well as a wolf's bane, so if you claimed the other that person would likely counter and then you would both be out and being caught lying always makes you look scummy.

But there is really no reason for me to discuss this non-point right now...

[Sierra_Leon]

Welcome farside, I hope you'll like it here. What's your stance on Natewolfman?

As for the cop, as I told you I was not informed as to who the cop is, so if he works on odd nights or if he works every night is not info I can not tell you because I do not know. All I know is tonight is the first chance I have to investigate.

I'm kind of leary on this one...it seems as though you're trying to cover all the bases, so you're backed up on any possibility. Also, I agree that I've never heard of the system of investigating every second night.

I have to agree with this, I think its likely we are looking at a werewolf cop or a scum seer he explained well some parts of his role but he still is acting suspicious.

Nate who do you find suspicious and why? Is it still me?

This is only a 12-player game, so I doubt the scum have cop roles. They possibly have a roleblocker as that's a scum role you see often, but I would think scum just as likely don't have any powers aside from their night-kill.

[Nickbaldwin]

I have a feeling I'm going to see votes with no reasons at this site based on Nick's vote for switch and ace's vote for drake

Don't judge us all by ace and nick

Correct. I'm still pretty new, and ace is just an eternal noob....


I'd like to hear what farside has to say about Nate aswell, maybe his fresh eyes can point out something we haven't seen? Whether it be good or bad.


And as an aside, how many mafia do we think there are? And how many werewolves? That could help in deducing what roles they might have.

[pmchugh]

This is only a 12-player game, so I doubt the scum have cop roles. They possibly have a roleblocker as that's a scum role you see often, but I would think scum just as likely don't have any powers aside from their night-kill.

13-player actually . Although your probably right.

And as an aside, how many mafia do we think there are? And how many werewolves? That could help in deducing what roles they might have.

We cant really know, Im ususally poor at guessing these sorts of things but I reckon there is probably 2 of each.

Although i do reckon that at least one scum will have other powers than purely a kill, a roleblocker at the least.

[spiesr]

Yeah, probably 2 each...

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Vote count

Natewolfman - 5 (pmchugh, spiesr, Nickbaldwin, Sierra_Leon, LSU Tiger Josh)
spiesr - 1 (farside22)

Not voting: spaceghst44, sam_levi_11, dunc_2007, drake_259, cena-rules, Natewolfman

With 12 alive, it takes 7 votes to lynch.
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[farside22]

Okay since I was asked this by a few people I will start with Nate and then move on to LSU and ace interaction.

Nate: Okay he says he read the game but glossed over the time limit. His unvote for drake was explained because he thought his vote would lynch him. (meh)

ive been watching and reading all this i just havnt had a need to post anything

This isn't helpful at all.
Talks about how it's normal for him not to talk much day 1. Meh I don't believe in meta but if you do it all the time it's a null tell.

i unvoted because i had voted for drake (I think?) and it was a random vote, he had like 2 others after me so i took it off since i didnt want to accidently aid in that lynch, simple as that, however I didnt have sufficient evidence to condem ani either, so take that as you may

I really don't like this comment. Scum is more concerned if they vote for a townie because they look scummy.

*sigh* Im the deputy (though i wasnt told who the main investigation role is) It works the same only on an every other day basis, and now if you dont lynch me i will likelly die in the night (unless the Dr. protects me lol, last time i claimed i was the doc so that didnt help me ) of course if you see someone hammer me and my role is proven you will know who your real mafia probably is

Lets mark all the bad things on this quote
1) telling PR's what to do
2) plea to emotion
3) if you look like scum and someone hammers and you are what you say it does not mean auto scum hammered.

This is why pmc that I think a cop claim or comment is bad:

As for the cop, as I told you I was not informed as to who the cop is, so if he works on odd nights or if he works every night is not info I can not tell you because I do not know. All I know is tonight is the first chance I have to investigate.

Nates vote on pmc was definately OMGUS vote. He needs to state better reasoning. The problem with reading nate for me is I really got very little from him. He doesn't say much and when he talks I feel like this big foot is in his mouth. I do get a sense that Nat's claim is weak, but I will say something that is a bit WIFOM comment. If I was scum forced to claim and wanted to out a PR. I would just claim straight up cop so my scum partner knows who to kill.
Now it's possible there is only one mafia. This was a 14 player game and I'm going on the assumption that there may be 2 mafia and 2 wolfs. Seems a bit high but I think likely.
Based on my full read Nate is up there as scum, but not my number 1 scum suspect.

[farside22]

LSU/ Ace interaction. See for me ace was not helpful at all. I felt the votes on him were valid. However LSU made a comment or too that bugged me.

First this:

Ace always sounds scummy no matter his role. I have no clue on the wolfsbane bit though.

His annalysis thus far he states the following:

1. we were trying to get a lynch on day 1 and switch was way up on my suspicion chart from his actions and comments.
2. i wasn't around on CC that much as you may or may not have noticed from several of my other games
3. there was a hint that someone else was claiming wolfsbane and the only way to figure out if one of them was a possible scum trying to do it is to lynch one. Personally I believed drake so with Switch trying to hint at countering the claim I went for him. Unless we have an idiot as a wolf(note Ace and switch were both replaced so that limits the possibility the wolfsbane is actually useless other then the person being an actual townie.

I was the one that said Ace always looks scummy no matter what side he is on.

Finally this:

ok do we want to lynch drake or switchblade b/c both of them are on the choppign blocks.

At every turn he want's to turn to someone else who he thinks is scummy but wants to sweep ace under the rug using meta as a reason. I'm sorry it's day 1 if you want a lynch and you have a claim you have an unclaim and you think it should be only between those 2 I have an issue. If someone is being anti town and they aren't going to change I would have pushed for there lynch myself.
I really just don't like how LSU just ignores Ace's actions but picks on others and jumps on BW's for other people's lynch but not that one. I feel like a scum buddy protecting a scum buddy to me.

[spaceghst44]

I am replacing animorpherv1

[spiesr]

I will likely believe nate's claim once drake_259, spaceghst44 and LSU Tiger Josh post and confirm that they cannot counter it by being a cop who has powers every night...

[farside22]

I will likely believe nate's claim once drake_259, spaceghst44 and LSU Tiger Josh post and confirm that they cannot counter it by being a cop who has powers every night...

I really wish I was a double voter. I mean are you serious!?!?!

[LSU Tiger Josh]

I will likely believe nate's claim once drake_259, spaceghst44 and LSU Tiger Josh post and confirm that they cannot counter it by being a cop who has powers every night...

I am not the cop.

Far it might be metagaming, but ace has been lynched in what seems like 10 other games for that same scummy behavior and turned up to be town.