Global Warming My Azz

[AAFitz]

the hottest ten recorded years have been in the last 17 years and last year was the hottest

if you see the actual data that correlates the historic CO2 levels in the atmosphere and historical temperatures on the planet over the last 600,000 years...

it will be the scariest thing you ever saw

[Backglass]

WOULD YOU RATHER HAVE ANOTHER ICE AGE?????

WOULD YOU RATHER NOT ANSWER HIS QUESTIONS?????

[jay_a2j]

WOULD YOU RATHER HAVE ANOTHER ICE AGE?????

WOULD YOU RATHER NOT ANSWER HIS QUESTIONS?????

READ his post again! He ASKED no questions! Just stated that he follows science to the ends of the Earth.

The end of mankind as we know it will NOT be caused by "global warming". This I can assure you.

[Backglass]

READ his post again! He ASKED no questions!

I did. Did you?

(evidently not, again no surprise)

[jay_a2j]

Obviously YOU didn't backglass. Let me explain how a question works.... it usually ends with something that looks like this "?".

Wait, you're saying that even thoguht you noticed a change its not global warming, its a neede break??? on long island it was in the 70s during november! Another tinhg, these scientists aren't pulling these statements out of their asses,

Global warming causing cooler temeprature: Melting more arctic ice which is cooling down the oceans causing more extreme winters in places like germany and so forth

Global Warming causing hurricanes: Hurricanes are caused by warm water (from the oceans which are being warmed due to greenhouse gases) meeting the cold air (coming form the unusually cold arctic ocean) there we have more hurricanes and more extreme hurricanes.

When did you hear there were no hurricanes due to global warming? These past few years have seen one of the largest increases in hurricanes ever, such extreme changes in temperature don't happne in a century or two, they take thousands of years to happen. The permafrost in some places in canada are melting for the first time in hundred of thousands of years, and they were frozen jsut a few decades ago.

Before criticizing the scientists who are giving you warnings look into the science behind it instead of being an pompous jerk and pretending you know more about the atmosphere than someone who's been studying this stuff for years.

Do you see any "?'s" besides "When did you hear there were no hurricanes due to global warming?" <<<<< Which is a rhetorical question. Rhetorical means ...does NOT need an answer.

[Freetymes]

The earth goes through natural cycles of warming and cooling, we have had a recent ice age, relatively speaking. The earth warming up due to the human factor is the biggest bull ever. 30 years ago scientist thought we were going into a global cooling, people are idiots for believing everything they hear. Gore was talking about the biggest iceberg ever recorded, falling off of antartica and melting. but what he didnt tell you was that antartica actually gained more ice that year then it lost. So screw al gore and global warming.

Can I get an amen?

A FUGKING MEN!!!!!!



Did I mention grants???



p.s. I heard that there were less hurricanes because of global warming on the Weather Channel!
You see it got colder because it got warmer... No really... that is what they said! That and that the biggest causer of global warming this week is cow farts!


Did I mention Federal Grants???
Your tax dollars at work!!! courtesy of Dr. C. Little

[Backglass]

Let me explain how a question works.... it usually ends with something that looks like this "?".

Do you see any "?'s" besides "When did you hear there were no hurricanes due to global warming?

Perfectly executed "jay_logic".

[mightyal]

WOULD YOU RATHER HAVE ANOTHER ICE AGE?????

WOULD YOU RATHER NOT ANSWER HIS QUESTIONS?????

READ his post again! He ASKED no questions! Just stated that he follows science to the ends of the Earth.

The end of mankind as we know it will NOT be caused by "global warming". This I can assure you.

As I cannot recollect you being right about anything ever, that's quite worrying

[jay_a2j]

WOULD YOU RATHER HAVE ANOTHER ICE AGE?????

WOULD YOU RATHER NOT ANSWER HIS QUESTIONS?????

READ his post again! He ASKED no questions! Just stated that he follows science to the ends of the Earth.

The end of mankind as we know it will NOT be caused by "global warming". This I can assure you.

As I cannot recollect you being right about anything ever, that's quite worrying

Please list some example to were I was "wrong".

[Sam Jam]

You see it got colder because it got warmer... No really... that is what they said!

in the ocean, there is a heat conveor that takes warm tropic water from southern hemisphere to northern. with global warming, melts ice caps and fresh water gets dumped into ocean. this screws up the conveyer so that the warm water can't go north. that makes places like the U.K. and other northern countries colder. so, in a way, warming makes cooling

[zarvinny]

you all can say whatever you want. Point is, we've been measuring weather and TEMPERATURE and all that crap for a measly few hundred years!!!


The Earth is Billions of YEARS OLD (jay wouldn't agree, but whatever). OUR insignificant measuring of tenths of degrees over hundreds of years is like one second to the Earth's climate. We don't know any trends right now. All we got is ice core samples, c02 samples, guesstimates. Changes arise regardless of warming. Sure we burn holes in our ozone layer and increase c02 in the atmosphere. BUT to WHAT EFFECT IS THIS REALLY?

we don't know. It is all speculation. Ice melts, ice grows back.Temperatures rise and fall. Our cyclic weather patterns are in schemes of millions of years. Our "ice age" is a small step, big for us of course.

What i'm trying to say is, while we may be affecting our climate, we don't know enough about how it works to really be sure that the tenth degree increase in alaska in average temperature and .1 C decrease in saudi arabia is really from us or not.

[heavycola]

sounds like a lot of oil dependent guilt-assuaging bullshit.

"But the vast majority of the world's scientists can't possibly be right. I'm a plumber/cop/burger chef and i've got a pretty solid grounding in global meteorology. It's all bullshit. Now where did i leave my hummer?"

Bit like creationism, really. Prolly why the two viewpoints so often overlap.

[DogDoc]

I must say that I'm fairly impressed by the number of people on this site who have NOT been snookered by the Al Gore Doomsayers Global Warming Club. I, personally, do not believe that mankind is powerful enough (or important enough) to influence GLOBAL weather (sort of sounds like a plot from a James Bond movie).

By the same token, I find it hilarious that people can predict the weather decades or hundreds of years from now when they can't tell me for sure what's going to happen tomorrow!

[areon]

Ice core sampling is a dependable way to measure the temperature...well we might as well throw out carbon dating and all other forms of measuring the past while we're at it right since it is all bunk? And the hole over Antartica is getting better because CFC products have been replaced by HCFCs which take much longer to deteriorate ozone so hurray, an environmental problem being solved!

[DogDoc]

Ice core sampling is a dependable way to measure the temperature...well we might as well throw out carbon dating and all other forms of measuring the past while we're at it right since it is all bunk? And the hole over Antartica is getting better because CFC products have been replaced by HCFCs which take much longer to deteriorate ozone so hurray, an environmental problem being solved!

And I guess it's not possible at all that the earth just simply goes through climatic cycles? No, if we explain it that way we can't blame it on the greedy oil-guzzling Americans . . .

[cowshrptrn]

READ his post again! He ASKED no questions! Just stated that he follows science to the ends of the Earth.

The end of mankind as we know it will NOT be caused by "global warming". This I can assure you.

Whiel i didn't ask any questions i made some points you could have at least tried to discuss, like how you could deny global warming is happening even when you said in your post that you noticed it.

I don't follow any old cook who spouts out some information with some very thin evidence. Proving somethign completely is virtually impossible, Newtonian laws of motion have been found to be false at close to light speeds, yet they are relatively simple laws that have been found to be true in thousands of classrooms. If you can show me enough evidence (such as direct observations made by several different scientists) then i'm willing to accept that you're right, especially if you can not only see what is happening, but see various causes as to why it is happening.

Climates don't change that quickly, it takes hundreds of years for a climate to shift. If the earth's climate changed so quickly that ice ages would only take a few hundred years to reach their full potential then everytime we had one ther woudl be a mass extinction. Ice ages occur VERY gradually, and the people affected would be our great great great grandchildren when they would get a noticable change from our weather records and have a few hundred mroe years to prepare.

Right now we're causing glaciers to melt at an alarming rate, the oceans are rising at a dangerous rate. Places like New YOrk CIty will be submerged if we dont' do something. There are already massive floods, a series of islands in the INdian ocean have already disspaeared and there are severe droughts followed by severe flooding in africa because the temperature of the planet has been disrupted to such a severe point.

jay, i now ask you, how does avoiding a potential ice age down the line that would cause merely an inconvenience to future generations justify allowing global warming to occur that would kill millions right now?

[happysadfun]

sounds like a lot of oil dependent guilt-assuaging bullshit.

OK, call me when you stop using oil.

"But the vast majority of the world's scientists can't possibly be right. I'm a plumber/cop/burger chef and i've got a pretty solid grounding in global meteorology. It's all bullshit. Now where did i leave my hummer?"

Bit like creationism, really. Prolly why the two viewpoints so often overlap.

Yes. Very much like creationism. 4 3/4 billion people across the world can't possibly be right either. Your opinion (along with fringe left-wingers and a few agenda-pushing scientists) is worth so much more than any of theirs, isn't it?

[Backglass]

4 3/4 billion people across the world can't possibly be right either.

14% of the worlds population is hardly a majority.

[cowshrptrn]

Yes. Very much like creationism. 4 3/4 billion people across the world can't possibly be right either. Your opinion (along with fringe left-wingers and a few agenda-pushing scientists) is worth so much more than any of theirs, isn't it?

Interesting that you'd say that all christians (i assume thats where the 4.75 bill ppl came from) are creationist. I know tons of christians that dont' believe in a literal interpretation of the bible. The general consensus in Europe is that we evolved (yes, there are a LOT of christians in Europe). So maybe you shodul start to look outside the buble that is whatever small town you happen to live in, or the circle fo friends you hang otu with, or whatever and see that jsut becasue someone believes A does not mean they believe in B

[areon]

And I guess it's not possible at all that the earth just simply goes through climatic cycles? No, if we explain it that way we can't blame it on the greedy oil-guzzling Americans . . .

Uh too bad that logic is what allows us to clear cut whole forests because of the idea that humanity is "insignificant" and can't alter their environment. Or maybe it's alright to dump any amount of industrial waste into rivers and oceans because they are SOOOOO vast that anything we put in will be soaked in. That's denial and this isn't a blame someone, then problem magically solved situation. It's not just America contributing to the problem and it's not just America that wil suffer.

What evidence has been given that's disagreed on?

The earth goes through natural cycles of warming and cooling, we have had a recent ice age, relatively speaking. The earth warming up due to the human factor is the biggest bull ever. 30 years ago scientist thought we were going into a global cooling, people are idiots for believing everything they hear. Gore was talking about the biggest iceberg ever recorded, falling off of antartica and melting. but what he didnt tell you was that antartica actually gained more ice that year then it lost. So screw al gore and global warming.

Did you watch the movie, did you understand the point he was making? It doesn't matter whether more ice accumulates on Antartica, if that chunk breaks off(not completely melts-doesn't need to do that to separate) then the weather will be affected. He also mentioned that it didn't need to completely break off, maybe Greenland will lose enough ice so that only half of the Antarctica chunk is needed. And ice core sampling wasn't around 30 years ago, that's why they go back and revise theories when new evidence is presented. Of course none of it is certain but taking it "with a grain of salt" is better than flat out not agreeing with any science.

Did I mention grants???



p.s. I heard that there were less hurricanes because of global warming on the Weather Channel!
You see it got colder because it got warmer... No really... that is what they said! That and that the biggest causer of global warming this week is cow farts!


Did I mention Federal Grants???
Your tax dollars at work!!! courtesy of Dr. C. Little

So it's a bad thing to put money into research because of two things you saw on the Weather Channel? Maybe if you looked into it more you would understand more than just thinking about it for 20 seconds from a tv blurp.

[happysadfun]

Yes. Very much like creationism. 4 3/4 billion people across the world can't possibly be right either. Your opinion (along with fringe left-wingers and a few agenda-pushing scientists) is worth so much more than any of theirs, isn't it?

Interesting that you'd say that all christians (i assume thats where the 4.75 bill ppl came from) are creationist. I know tons of christians that dont' believe in a literal interpretation of the bible. The general consensus in Europe is that we evolved (yes, there are a LOT of christians in Europe). So maybe you shodul start to look outside the buble that is whatever small town you happen to live in, or the circle fo friends you hang otu with, or whatever and see that jsut becasue someone believes A does not mean they believe in B

No, Christians aren't the only creationists. And I'm very sure that you have an accurate and non-biased survey of the concensus of the European community on how we arrived on this earth. Could you show me that, please?

[mightyal]

The website has scientist in it's URL so I guess its a biased source :roll:Personally, I am shocked that 1 in 6 Brits buy this creationist hokey

[cowshrptrn]

I dont' have that, but i do have a lot of data that shows that many europeans do not go to chruch, meaning they are not very religious. Its an extrapolation, i admit, but much less than yours which assumes all christians are extreme in their views.

If you look at this study it clearly shows that only 20% of the surveyed group believed god created all organisms past 100000 years. If you can give me anything saying that 2/3s of the world believes in creation i woudl lvoe to see it. Also, how does 2/3 of the world believing in creation make it true?

I use this analogy a lot, but thousadns of years ago almost no one believed that stars were made of superheated gas and that they were inconcievable distances from earth, but the vast majority was proven wrong.

[DogDoc]

And I guess it's not possible at all that the earth just simply goes through climatic cycles? No, if we explain it that way we can't blame it on the greedy oil-guzzling Americans . . .

Uh too bad that logic is what allows us to clear cut whole forests because of the idea that humanity is "insignificant" and can't alter their environment. Or maybe it's alright to dump any amount of industrial waste into rivers and oceans because they are SOOOOO vast that anything we put in will be soaked in. That's denial and this isn't a blame someone, then problem magically solved situation. It's not just America contributing to the problem and it's not just America that wil suffer.

What evidence has been given that's disagreed on?

Of course it's not all right, but accidents do happen. Everyone predicted far reaching, cataclysmic future effects of the Exxon Valdez disaster in 1989 and you had idiots out there with Dawn dishwashing detergent and paper towels trying to clean rocks, for crying out loud. Nature took care of the problem much more efficiently. Less than 20 years later, Prince William Sound appears just as it had before the disaster.

And to dispute your "evidence" of global warming: CLICK HERE

It summarizes thusly:

"Since the world cooled almost as abruptly as it warmed we can only assume no positive feedback mechanism was invoked and thus Earth is not perilously perched upon some critical temperature threshold beyond which new physics takes over and runaway enhanced greenhouse warming becomes a self-perpetuating nightmare."


Again, get over it. We human beings are NOT that important . . .

[cowshrptrn]

Well that just proved your ignorance, people were out there cleaning off birds and other animals which could no longer swim because they were covered in oil and the natural oils that form a watertight barrier on their feathers so they float were dissolved away.

Thanks to the cleanup crews hundreds of animals were saved, and the cleanup crews cleaned up a lot of the oil, preventing it from killing more wildlife and disrupting he ecosystem more than it needs.

aeron was referring to the companies that decide its cheaper to dump the toxic waste form their factories into the local river and pay the fines rather than actually get the waste taken care of in an environmentally friendly way. If you tihnk its a rare occurrence, look at farmers, thier pesticides get washed into local rivers all the time, think about the damage a chemical that's deisgned to kill things will do in an ecosystem!