How Do You Respond To Terrorism?

[Woodruff]

It's the height of arrogance to believe that the anti-christ must be an American President, by the way.

And the height of stupidity as the anti-Christ will come from Europe.

Then why are you always going on about the American President again? He obviously doesn't matter.

[Woodruff]

"it's not if we have martial law, it's when."

You could replace martial law with any noun and you can argue that it's true.

And, well, just for the sake of being somewhat religious-related, wouldn't it make sense for the Anti-Christ to come from like, Jerusalem or Bethlehem or somewhere of religious importance? It's like in the remake of The Omen, where their "3 events" of the coming of the Anti-Christ were all American related (9/11, Hurricane Katrina and the War in Iraq if I remember correctly).

It just seems...arrogant to think it's all about US.

The London bombings, the train bombing in Spain, the Sarin gas in Japan, the school bombing in Russia the tsunami of December 2005 ...... yes it seems arrogant to say "terror attacks" and disasters only happen in the US.


Scripture states the the anti-Christ will come from "the revived Roman Empire", which is Rome and the surrounding area. (Europe) He will not come from the US.

Do you believe Scripture is literal, then? Or do you believe that the reference to "the revived Roman Empire" might be a reference to a TYPE of government rather than a specific region of the world? And if you believe the Scripture is literal, then do you believe ALL of it is literal? Or only the part you WANT to be literal?

[multilis]

Don't forget Iceland either. They contributed 2 troops.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internatio ... ance_Force

"Iceland – 2 as of October 22, 2009. Source ISAF Website. Consisting of a Mobile/Military Observation Team from the Icelandic 4th Alpini in Afghanistan Crisis Response Unit at the PRT in Ghor province and various personnel operating at Kabul International Airport."

Impressive how much work 2 people can do, must take a lot of disguises and long hours to play roles of various personnel.

[Iliad]

Scripture states the the anti-Christ will come from "the revived Roman Empire", which is Rome and the surrounding area. (Europe) He will not come from the US.

He will come from he revived Roman Empire? Which one jay?
The Holy Roman Empire that was in modern day Germany? Or Mussolini's New Roman Empire?
It's been revived jay not once and here we are still.

[jay_a2j]

Scripture states the the anti-Christ will come from "the revived Roman Empire", which is Rome and the surrounding area. (Europe) He will not come from the US.

He will come from he revived Roman Empire? Which one jay?
The Holy Roman Empire that was in modern day Germany? Or Mussolini's New Roman Empire?
It's been revived jay not once and here we are still.

The Roman Empire has not been revived.(Although the EU is doing a pretty good job at it currently) You can twist anything you want to "fit" your definition of the Roman Empire. I do not care. You can continue to deny scripture, that is your choice. But please save us your baseless claims of how scripture has gone unfulfilled with your "explanations" that "it has already happened". Believe me, when these things happen, you won't miss them nor confuse them with other events. But then again...... maybe you will.

[Iliad]

Scripture states the the anti-Christ will come from "the revived Roman Empire", which is Rome and the surrounding area. (Europe) He will not come from the US.

He will come from he revived Roman Empire? Which one jay?
The Holy Roman Empire that was in modern day Germany? Or Mussolini's New Roman Empire?
It's been revived jay not once and here we are still.

The Roman Empire has not been revived.(Although the EU is doing a pretty good job at it currently) You can twist anything you want to "fit" your definition of the Roman Empire. I do not care. You can continue to deny scripture, that is your choice. But please save us your baseless claims of how scripture has gone unfulfilled with your "explanations" that "it has already happened". Believe me, when these things happen, you won't miss them nor confuse them with other events. But then again...... maybe you will.

Oh I'm sorry. When you said the definition was 'a revival of the Roman Empire' I took you at your words and provided you two examples of it. But those two eamples, including Italy calling itself the New Roman Empire obviously don't fit the bill. Because.uhh why again? The two states which, at least officially, had the revival of the Roman at their core. Revived. Roman Empire. Jay, it is you who's moving the goalposts, which is a common occurrences with prophecies.

And please jay, more empty boasts about how you'll be right and we'll all see it.

[Frigidus]

Scripture states the the anti-Christ will come from "the revived Roman Empire", which is Rome and the surrounding area. (Europe) He will not come from the US.

He will come from he revived Roman Empire? Which one jay?
The Holy Roman Empire that was in modern day Germany? Or Mussolini's New Roman Empire?
It's been revived jay not once and here we are still.

The Roman Empire has not been revived.(Although the EU is doing a pretty good job at it currently) You can twist anything you want to "fit" your definition of the Roman Empire. I do not care. You can continue to deny scripture, that is your choice. But please save us your baseless claims of how scripture has gone unfulfilled with your "explanations" that "it has already happened". Believe me, when these things happen, you won't miss them nor confuse them with other events. But then again...... maybe you will.

Oh I'm sorry. When you said the definition was 'a revival of the Roman Empire' I took you at your words and provided you two examples of it. But those two eamples, including Italy calling itself the New Roman Empire obviously don't fit the bill. Because.uhh why again? The two states which, at least officially, had the revival of the Roman at their core. Revived. Roman Empire. Jay, it is you who's moving the goalposts, which is a common occurrences with prophecies.

And please jay, more empty boasts about how you'll be right and we'll all see it.

I'm not sure how much more of a Roman Empire you could expect than from Germany in WWII. I mean, there are no Romans left, so it can only be in spirit. Germany was certainly in the spirit of it (and I guarantee that there were plenty of end-timers convinced that the Third Reich was a sign).

[Woodruff]

Scripture states the the anti-Christ will come from "the revived Roman Empire", which is Rome and the surrounding area. (Europe) He will not come from the US.

He will come from he revived Roman Empire? Which one jay?
The Holy Roman Empire that was in modern day Germany? Or Mussolini's New Roman Empire?
It's been revived jay not once and here we are still.

The Roman Empire has not been revived.(Although the EU is doing a pretty good job at it currently) You can twist anything you want to "fit" your definition of the Roman Empire. I do not care. You can continue to deny scripture, that is your choice. But please save us your baseless claims of how scripture has gone unfulfilled with your "explanations" that "it has already happened". Believe me, when these things happen, you won't miss them nor confuse them with other events. But then again...... maybe you will.

Jay, you didn't answer my questions...were you going to, or were you just going to cower?

[Woodruff]

Scripture states the the anti-Christ will come from "the revived Roman Empire", which is Rome and the surrounding area. (Europe) He will not come from the US.

He will come from he revived Roman Empire? Which one jay?
The Holy Roman Empire that was in modern day Germany? Or Mussolini's New Roman Empire?
It's been revived jay not once and here we are still.

The Roman Empire has not been revived.(Although the EU is doing a pretty good job at it currently) You can twist anything you want to "fit" your definition of the Roman Empire. I do not care. You can continue to deny scripture, that is your choice. But please save us your baseless claims of how scripture has gone unfulfilled with your "explanations" that "it has already happened". Believe me, when these things happen, you won't miss them nor confuse them with other events. But then again...... maybe you will.

According to the Bible you will. Are you saying the Bible is wrong, Jay?

[john9blue]

Who's to say the US does not carry the spirit of the fallen Roman empire?

[BigBallinStalin]

Scripture states the the anti-Christ will come from "the revived Roman Empire", which is Rome and the surrounding area. (Europe) He will not come from the US.

He will come from he revived Roman Empire? Which one jay?
The Holy Roman Empire that was in modern day Germany? Or Mussolini's New Roman Empire?
It's been revived jay not once and here we are still.

The Roman Empire has not been revived.(Although the EU is doing a pretty good job at it currently) You can twist anything you want to "fit" your definition of the Roman Empire. I do not care. You can continue to deny scripture, that is your choice. But please save us your baseless claims of how scripture has gone unfulfilled with your "explanations" that "it has already happened". Believe me, when these things happen, you won't miss them nor confuse them with other events. But then again...... maybe you will.

Oh I'm sorry. When you said the definition was 'a revival of the Roman Empire' I took you at your words and provided you two examples of it. But those two eamples, including Italy calling itself the New Roman Empire obviously don't fit the bill. Because.uhh why again? The two states which, at least officially, had the revival of the Roman at their core. Revived. Roman Empire. Jay, it is you who's moving the goalposts, which is a common occurrences with prophecies.

And please jay, more empty boasts about how you'll be right and we'll all see it.

Well, according to this:

I'll put it in a nut shell. In the last days, "the whole world" will turn against Israel. And that includes (assuming it's still around) the United States of America.

So this statement:

it's very telling when one sees that the US is the only country that pretty much vetos anything against Israel.

Is actually giving the world more time. When you see the US turn from Israel you can be sure the "end is near".

Perhaps we can assume the Anti-Christ will arise from the newly created state of Palestine... or maybe from a one-state solution between Israel and Palestine. And this makes sense because the Romans were in Palestine, and since Jay says that the Revived Roman Empire has yet to be revived even though it technically already has then that means that the new Palestine or new Israel + Palestinian Territories must be the Revived Roman Empire because that's when the end of the world will come to pass with the advent of the anti-Christ.


　

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[jay_a2j]

Jay, you didn't answer my questions...were you going to, or were you just going to cower?

That's because you are on my ban list and unless I click "display this post" I can't see your posts.

LITERALLY except when the author obviously isn't speaking LITERALLY.

According to the Bible you will. Are you saying the Bible is wrong, Jay?

Que?

[comic boy]

Jay, you didn't answer my questions...were you going to, or were you just going to cower?

That's because you are on my ban list and unless I click "display this post" I can't see your posts.

LITERALLY except when the author obviously isn't speaking LITERALLY.

According to the Bible you will. Are you saying the Bible is wrong, Jay?

Que?

Can anybody give me a good reason to screen out posts other than a realisation that ones arguments are being rebutted and the only response is to cover your ears and close your eyes.

[Woodruff]

Jay, you didn't answer my questions...were you going to, or were you just going to cower?

That's because you are on my ban list and unless I click "display this post" I can't see your posts.

So your answer is that you're going to continue to cower, then. Yet amazingly, you've seen this post! How has that happened, I ask!

LITERALLY except when the author obviously isn't speaking LITERALLY.[/quote]

Ah, so you...a mere human...gets to decide when the Bible "obviously should be taken literally". That's what you're saying, Jay?

According to the Bible you will. Are you saying the Bible is wrong, Jay?

Que?

You made the claim that "Believe me, when these things happen, you won't miss them nor confuse them with other events. But then again...... maybe you will."...well Jay, the Bible states that you won't see these things coming and that those who look for them will always be mistaken. Are you saying the Bible is wrong, Jay?

[jay_a2j]

Jay, you didn't answer my questions...were you going to, or were you just going to cower?

That's because you are on my ban list and unless I click "display this post" I can't see your posts.

So your answer is that you're going to continue to cower, then. Yet amazingly, you've seen this post! How has that happened, I ask!

LITERALLY except when the author obviously isn't speaking LITERALLY.

Ah, so you...a mere human...gets to decide when the Bible "obviously should be taken literally". That's what you're saying, Jay?

According to the Bible you will. Are you saying the Bible is wrong, Jay?

Que?

You made the claim that "Believe me, when these things happen, you won't miss them nor confuse them with other events. But then again...... maybe you will."...well Jay, the Bible states that you won't see these things coming and that those who look for them will always be mistaken. Are you saying the Bible is wrong, Jay?[/quote]



No, I'm saying literal is literal. But things like "giant locusts" is probably the only way John could describe a helicopter seeing they weren't invented until almost 2000 years later.


And really? Where does the Bible say, "that you won't see these things coming and that those who look for them will always be mistaken"?

[Skittles!]

To get this back on track - Colton, you're an idiot. Terrorism has been around for a long, long, long time, so it's not really a new development from a few extremists who mostly follow the ideals of Sayid Qutb and other misfortuned individuals. People have and always will go with their lives to the extent they can without the authority's claiming it's the end of the world because a few places (albeit, important places to many people - e.g. London, the statue of Buddha in Afghanistan, WTC, Baghdad) have been bombed. Humanity has suffered far, far worse problems then terrorism, and a combined body of humans will pull through with the outcasts of terrorists being out of this combined body.

[Baron Von PWN]

In response to the Op's question.

The best way to deal with terrorism is through police work counter terrorism squads and the like. Sending in the army is just about the dumbest way to do it, they are a big heavy blunt tool when what you need is precision. Sending in the army just makes more targets for the terrorists to blow as well as gives them a huge propaganda tool.

Dealing with them through police work also sends the message these guys are just common thugs and aren't a real threat to our collective national security. They might blow up a few buildings or some trains but they will never conquer or destroy our nation. Sending in the army legitimizes them, it says your as dangerous as another country and then when the big clumsy tool of the military fails to destroy them they get to claim to have defeated your whole nation.

[Snorri1234]

LITERALLY except when the author obviously isn't speaking LITERALLY.

Uh.....

[BigBallinStalin]

[Phatscotty]

In response to the Op's question.

The best way to deal with terrorism is through police work counter terrorism squads and the like. Sending in the army is just about the dumbest way to do it, they are a big heavy blunt tool when what you need is precision. Sending in the army just makes more targets for the terrorists to blow as well as gives them a huge propaganda tool.

Dealing with them through police work also sends the message these guys are just common thugs and aren't a real threat to our collective national security. They might blow up a few buildings or some trains but they will never conquer or destroy our nation. Sending in the army legitimizes them, it says your as dangerous as another country and then when the big clumsy tool of the military fails to destroy them they get to claim to have defeated your whole nation.

Is there something to be said for sending your warriors to draw the heat, especially away from the homeland....no?

[Pedronicus]

what the f*ck is a thread created by the sites biggest idiot, running to 3 pages? Let this shit die and don't give him added kudos .

I know I'm not helping, but get a grip of who you are currently ego massaging here....

[Neoteny]

I seriously doubt Colton has ever put a boot in anyone's ass. QED he is not an American.

[Iliad]

what the f*ck is a thread created by the sites biggest idiot, running to 3 pages? Let this shit die and don't give him added kudos .

I know I'm not helping, but get a grip of who you are currently ego massaging here....

Ehh, we're arguing with jay now on a different topic, colton can be safely ignored

[Baron Von PWN]

Is there something to be said for sending your warriors to draw the heat, especially away from the homeland....no?

the is but it's all negative. All you do is create more enemies to your nation and make it easier for enemy propagandists. You also drasticly increase the cost in lives and dollars to yourself. \It is far better to treat terrorists as they are, criminals and not as legitimate enemies.

[Phatscotty]

Is there something to be said for sending your warriors to draw the heat, especially away from the homeland....no?

the is but it's all negative. All you do is create more enemies to your nation and make it easier for enemy propagandists. You also drasticly increase the cost in lives and dollars to yourself. \It is far better to treat terrorists as they are, criminals and not as legitimate enemies.

I don't know. People flying airplanes into sky-scrapers and shit....I don't see the military just sitting at home with their thumbs in their ass.
I also disagree that it brings more enemies, it is weakness that brings enemies. They know they have a chance to win. Easier for propagandists? Who gives a shit it's our people that are dying. We are well aware of the reprecussions of deploying our troops. What our enemies think about our deployment is secondary.