Gun Control

[Snorri1234]

Germany was equally on the other side of the world from America. Didnt stop us from invading them.
thought process fail

And since the US was also fighting against the USSR on one front and throwing missiles at Britain on the other, not to mention occupying a big part of Europe and killing of jews, that's totally the same situation.


Jesus f*ck dude. The fact that people in the US owned guns is absolutely of no importance to anything.

[Snorri1234]

they didnt invade cuz we have guns, cuz of the second amendment. follow that? you sure?

They didn't invade Canada and we have no second amendment. follow that? you sure?

And I quote

The Second Amendment

Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto - “You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind each blade of grass.”

Check and mate. you follow that?

sharpen up your facts before you go on commenting on certain subjects and making fools of yourselves.

OH SHIT YES I TAKE ANYTHING SOME JAPANESE DUDE TELLS ME AS FACT!

Not attacking the US because of the guns owned by the populace and not because of the bigass military you have is dumb.

"sure the US military has tanks and battleships and whatnot, but those rednecks living in the woods have shotguns and hunting rifles!"

[THORNHEART]

guns rock.

if common citizens dont have guns the only the criminals and governent does.


hmmm china comes to mind....

we have guns do as we say or we crush you.

i really dont think there is an arguement here.

I medieval times people couldnt own bladed weapons so that they couldnt revolt against government...the principles are the same the weapons have just evolved...no doubt though the brilliant minds of cc see it different.


also to the asshead who thinks you could actually attack and successfully comtrol the populance of the united states....lmfao....try that in west virgina or texas...omg dude seriously do you even understand how many people would deffend this country...the multitude of ingenious defense weapons and differnet things we would use to booby trap ennemies...lol its almost movie matrial....id also like to know how they beat the most badass army in the world the us of as (which has had 6 years of combat experiance now)

[THORNHEART]

also to the point about canadians burning the white house....that was actually your british protectors....


they fought your wars for u and in tribute you still have a queen and put her on ur quaters

[Ray Rider]

The Second Amendment

Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto - “You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind each blade of grass.”

Check and mate. you follow that?

sharpen up your facts before you go on commenting on certain subjects and making fools of yourselves.

You're still not proving anything. The US also didn't want to invade Japan because of the resistance they would encounter by the Japanese populace. The statement "the US hasn't been invaded because of the Second Amendment," although partially true, is extremely simplistic. It is the might of US military and its allies that deters other nations from invasion. If invasion were to occur, there would be many casualties/assassinations caused by an armed and resistant populace, but that alone isn't reason enough for a nation to decide not to invade.

Btw, your arrogant attitude does nothing prove your point, nor to encourage healthy debate.

[Baron Von PWN]

guns rock.

if common citizens dont have guns the only the criminals and governent does.


hmmm china comes to mind....

we have guns do as we say or we crush you.

i really dont think there is an arguement here.

I medieval times people couldnt own bladed weapons so that they couldnt revolt against government...the principles are the same the weapons have just evolved...no doubt though the brilliant minds of cc see it different.


also to the asshead who thinks you could actually attack and successfully comtrol the populance of the united states....lmfao....try that in west virgina or texas...omg dude seriously do you even understand how many people would deffend this country...the multitude of ingenious defense weapons and differnet things we would use to booby trap ennemies...lol its almost movie matrial....id also like to know how they beat the most badass army in the world the us of as (which has had 6 years of combat experiance now)

I don't doubt the willingness of americans to fight and die for their country, however civilians armed with a random assortment of guns would mostly just die. We are also talking about ww2 america not present day america. Currently there is no nation that would even have the slightest chance of launching a large scale assault on the US. Thinking that the reason no one invades is because allot of people have light arms is increadibly stupid. A gaggle of untrained americans with whatever guns they have would be destroyed by any organised military force (assuming that the US army for some reason took a vacation and just let them in).

[radiojake]

guns rock.

if common citizens dont have guns the only the criminals and governent does.


hmmm china comes to mind....

we have guns do as we say or we crush you.

i really dont think there is an arguement here.

I medieval times people couldnt own bladed weapons so that they couldnt revolt against government...the principles are the same the weapons have just evolved...no doubt though the brilliant minds of cc see it different.


also to the asshead who thinks you could actually attack and successfully comtrol the populance of the united states....lmfao....try that in west virgina or texas...omg dude seriously do you even understand how many people would deffend this country...the multitude of ingenious defense weapons and differnet things we would use to booby trap ennemies...lol its almost movie matrial....id also like to know how they beat the most badass army in the world the us of as (which has had 6 years of combat experiance now)

oh jesus christ...


Yes let's make a movie akin to 'Home Alone' where the USA gets to set up booby traps and watch for the bumbling terrorists falling down the stairs after being hit with a bucket of paint - great "movie matrial" (sic)

"also to the asshead who thinks you could actually attack and successfully comtrol the populance of iraq & afghanistan......lmfao.....try that in baghdad or kandahar...omg dude, seriously do you even understand how many people would deffend those countys..."

Interesting thought when you put it like that, isn't it?

[THORNHEART]

excuse me...the deaths caused from armed citzens would be worse than that cause by military engagement because that that point the cilivians would have nothing less to lose.


i refer you to the case of the russians invading afganistan and totally getting their butts kicked

[Phatscotty]

they didnt invade cuz we have guns, cuz of the second amendment. follow that? you sure?

They didn't invade Canada and we have no second amendment. follow that? you sure?

And I quote

The Second Amendment

Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto - “You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind each blade of grass.”

Check and mate. you follow that?

sharpen up your facts before you go on commenting on certain subjects and making fools of yourselves.

OH SHIT YES I TAKE ANYTHING SOME JAPANESE DUDE TELLS ME AS FACT!

Not attacking the US because of the guns owned by the populace and not because of the bigass military you have is dumb.

"sure the US military has tanks and battleships and whatnot, but those rednecks living in the woods have shotguns and hunting rifles!"

A japanese dude? LMAO this "japanese dude" was the leader of the would be invading force. free history lessons on the basics..

[Frigidus]

Oh my fucking God. I really am not that bothered by people having opinions that differ from mine, but seriously this is some of the stupidest reasoning I have ever seen. Why can't people form their opinions with their head instead of their dick?

[Phatscotty]

The Second Amendment

Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto - “You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind each blade of grass.”

Check and mate. you follow that?

sharpen up your facts before you go on commenting on certain subjects and making fools of yourselves.

You're still not proving anything. The US also didn't want to invade Japan because of the resistance they would encounter by the Japanese populace. The statement "the US hasn't been invaded because of the Second Amendment," although partially true, is extremely simplistic. It is the might of US military and its allies that deters other nations from invasion. If invasion were to occur, there would be many casualties/assassinations caused by an armed and resistant populace, but that alone isn't reason enough for a nation to decide not to invade.

Btw, your arrogant attitude does nothing prove your point, nor to encourage healthy debate.

well, I just proved to you, contradictory to everything you have said to the contrary, that indeed the Japanese did not invade the USA, because we have guns/the second amendment. I would probably be wasting me time going further.

[jefjef]

guns rock.

if common citizens dont have guns the only the criminals and governent does.


hmmm china comes to mind....

we have guns do as we say or we crush you.

i really dont think there is an arguement here.

I medieval times people couldnt own bladed weapons so that they couldnt revolt against government...the principles are the same the weapons have just evolved...no doubt though the brilliant minds of cc see it different.


also to the asshead who thinks you could actually attack and successfully comtrol the populance of the united states....lmfao....try that in west virgina or texas...omg dude seriously do you even understand how many people would deffend this country...the multitude of ingenious defense weapons and differnet things we would use to booby trap ennemies...lol its almost movie matrial....id also like to know how they beat the most badass army in the world the us of as (which has had 6 years of combat experiance now)

I don't doubt the willingness of americans to fight and die for their country, however civilians armed with a random assortment of guns would mostly just die. We are also talking about ww2 america not present day america. Currently there is no nation that would even have the slightest chance of launching a large scale assault on the US. Thinking that the reason no one invades is because allot of people have light arms is increadibly stupid. A gaggle of untrained americans with whatever guns they have would be destroyed by any organised military force (assuming that the US army for some reason took a vacation and just let them in).

Tell ya what.

The British thought they were dealing with just farmers.

The Civil War was fought by farmers and regular citizens with little training.

WWII was a citizen army. Albiet well equiped. And better trained.

What most had in common was gun ownership. Familiarity with firearms and use of them target practice - hunting - self defence.

An gaggle of armed citizenry in the US would in fact inflict many casualties on any invader. When a person has inspiration to defend ones family, home, country, what they love and are self armed as we are would be capable of amazing things.

Don't believe me? Come invade my house.

[Phatscotty]

guns rock.

if common citizens dont have guns the only the criminals and governent does.


hmmm china comes to mind....

we have guns do as we say or we crush you.

i really dont think there is an arguement here.

I medieval times people couldnt own bladed weapons so that they couldnt revolt against government...the principles are the same the weapons have just evolved...no doubt though the brilliant minds of cc see it different.


also to the asshead who thinks you could actually attack and successfully comtrol the populance of the united states....lmfao....try that in west virgina or texas...omg dude seriously do you even understand how many people would deffend this country...the multitude of ingenious defense weapons and differnet things we would use to booby trap ennemies...lol its almost movie matrial....id also like to know how they beat the most badass army in the world the us of as (which has had 6 years of combat experiance now)

I don't doubt the willingness of americans to fight and die for their country, however civilians armed with a random assortment of guns would mostly just die. We are also talking about ww2 america not present day america. Currently there is no nation that would even have the slightest chance of launching a large scale assault on the US. Thinking that the reason no one invades is because allot of people have light arms is increadibly stupid. A gaggle of untrained americans with whatever guns they have would be destroyed by any organised military force (assuming that the US army for some reason took a vacation and just let them in).

Tell ya what.

The British thought they were dealing with just farmers.

The Civil War was fought by farmers and regular citizens with little training.

WWII was a citizen army. Albiet well equiped. And better trained.

What most had in common was gun ownership. Familiarity with firearms and use of them target practice - hunting - self defence.

An gaggle of armed citizenry in the US would in fact inflict many casualties on any invader. When a person has inspiration to defend ones family, home, country, what they love and are self armed as we are would be capable of amazing things.

Don't believe me? Come invade my house.

very good point. not one that I was going to use with the opening statement, but perhaps almost as effective.

Baron, your statement (in bold), is all an army needs. Ever heard of gorilla warfare? You are really way off in this subject matter. Such a shame with all that education

[radiojake]

they didnt invade cuz we have guns, cuz of the second amendment. follow that? you sure?

The US hasn't invaded China yet, even though China doesn't have a second ammendment.


My point? There is more than one reason why some countries won't try to invade another - the 2nd amendment would hardly come under any consideration

[Phatscotty]

they didnt invade cuz we have guns, cuz of the second amendment. follow that? you sure?

The US hasn't invaded China yet, even though China doesn't have a second ammendment.


My point? There is more than one reason why some countries won't try to invade another - the 2nd amendment would hardly come under any consideration

you might want to consider the point that the USA isn't at war with China. My point was focused on "at the time of the WAR" usually the attacking nation tries to invade....ya know.....

[Baron Von PWN]

guns rock.

if common citizens dont have guns the only the criminals and governent does.


hmmm china comes to mind....

we have guns do as we say or we crush you.

i really dont think there is an arguement here.

I medieval times people couldnt own bladed weapons so that they couldnt revolt against government...the principles are the same the weapons have just evolved...no doubt though the brilliant minds of cc see it different.


also to the asshead who thinks you could actually attack and successfully comtrol the populance of the united states....lmfao....try that in west virgina or texas...omg dude seriously do you even understand how many people would deffend this country...the multitude of ingenious defense weapons and differnet things we would use to booby trap ennemies...lol its almost movie matrial....id also like to know how they beat the most badass army in the world the us of as (which has had 6 years of combat experiance now)

I don't doubt the willingness of americans to fight and die for their country, however civilians armed with a random assortment of guns would mostly just die. We are also talking about ww2 america not present day america. Currently there is no nation that would even have the slightest chance of launching a large scale assault on the US. Thinking that the reason no one invades is because allot of people have light arms is increadibly stupid. A gaggle of untrained americans with whatever guns they have would be destroyed by any organised military force (assuming that the US army for some reason took a vacation and just let them in).

Tell ya what.

The British thought they were dealing with just farmers.

The Civil War was fought by farmers and regular citizens with little training.

WWII was a citizen army. Albiet well equiped. And better trained.

What most had in common was gun ownership. Familiarity with firearms and use of them target practice - hunting - self defence.

An gaggle of armed citizenry in the US would in fact inflict many casualties on any invader. When a person has inspiration to defend ones family, home, country, what they love and are self armed as we are would be capable of amazing things.

Don't believe me? Come invade my house.

The civil war was fought with muskets and cavalry, not quite the same as ww2 era weponry.

Sure the US military was made up of citizens but so what? they were all trained and equiped with standardized military hardware before being sent into battle, and when in battle they had tanks, military aircraft, artilery, supply chains overeaching strategy ect.

This is not the same as grabing a bunch of civilians who might of shot their guns a few times at the range and might have tops a couple hundred rounds and sending them to fight an organised military force. No mater how inspired you are to defend your home if all you have one gun and a few hundred rounds of amo you're pretty fucked when you're facing down guys armed with all maner of weponry backed up by armored vehicles.

If I had the backing of an army I'm certain you would be finished off pretty quick.

[Electricksabers]

excuse me...the deaths caused from armed citzens would be worse than that cause by military engagement because that that point the cilivians would have nothing less to lose.


i refer you to the case of the russians invading afganistan and totally getting their butts kicked

yes the Afgan's drove the Russian out with boobie traps and armed camels

In the mid-1980s, the Afghan resistance movement, assisted by the United States, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, the United Kingdom, the People's Republic of China and others, contributed to Moscow's high military costs and strained international relations. The US viewed the conflict in Afghanistan as an integral Cold War struggle, and the CIA provided assistance to anti-Soviet forces through the Pakistani intelligence services, in a program called Operation Cyclone.[40][41]

Operation Cyclone was the code name for the United States Central Intelligence Agency program to arm the Afghan mujahideen during the Soviet war in Afghanistan, 1979 to 1989.[1] Operation Cyclone was one of the longest and most expensive covert CIA operations ever undertaken;[2] funding began with $20–30 million per year in 1980 and rose to $630 million per year in 1987.[3]

Don't let the truth get in your way

[Baron Von PWN]

Baron, your statement (in bold), is all an army needs. Ever heard of gorilla warfare? You are really way off in this subject matter. Such a shame with all that education

Geurila warfare is a nuisance for an occupying force, not something which disuades an army from invading.

Even then assuming the political will to pursue brutal tactics and the economic ability continue such efforts the occupying force in the long run can win. See Myanmar the government has been slowly suffocating a guerila movement simply by not giving a damn what the outside world thinks (I am assuming any power invading the USA would have the capacity for this).

Look at how the British empire "won" the Boaer war.

Assuming Nazi germany weren't besset on all sides by hostile armies they would have likely made short work of the various partisan movements.

The Bolsheviks destroyed all opposition to their rule.

Where occupying forces have failed it was due to a lack of political willpower to continue fighting. If occupiers are willing to be total bastards they will eventualy win (I am assuming any power willing to make the rather large commitment of invading the USA would be willing to be completly brutal in doing so).

[BigBallinStalin]

thornheart and PhatScotty:

[Phatscotty]

I don't even read his posts, perhaps I should start.

[Phatscotty]

guns rock.

if common citizens dont have guns the only the criminals and governent does.


hmmm china comes to mind....

we have guns do as we say or we crush you.

i really dont think there is an arguement here.

I medieval times people couldnt own bladed weapons so that they couldnt revolt against government...the principles are the same the weapons have just evolved...no doubt though the brilliant minds of cc see it different.


also to the asshead who thinks you could actually attack and successfully comtrol the populance of the united states....lmfao....try that in west virgina or texas...omg dude seriously do you even understand how many people would deffend this country...the multitude of ingenious defense weapons and differnet things we would use to booby trap ennemies...lol its almost movie matrial....id also like to know how they beat the most badass army in the world the us of as (which has had 6 years of combat experiance now)

oh but, you see, you give up all your means of self defense, and the gov't promises to treat you good forever and ever, with a lifetime supply of gumdrops and purple pills

[tdans]

the ONly gun control i believe in.. is the ability to control your gun without blowing your foot off.,. ie. (Gun control)

[Phatscotty]

The Second Amendment

Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto - “You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind each blade of grass.”

Check and mate. you follow that?

sharpen up your facts before you go on commenting on certain subjects and making fools of yourselves.

You're still not proving anything. The US also didn't want to invade Japan because of the resistance they would encounter by the Japanese populace. The statement "the US hasn't been invaded because of the Second Amendment," although partially true, is extremely simplistic. It is the might of US military and its allies that deters other nations from invasion. If invasion were to occur, there would be many casualties/assassinations caused by an armed and resistant populace, but that alone isn't reason enough for a nation to decide not to invade.

Btw, your arrogant attitude does nothing prove your point, nor to encourage healthy debate.

sorry ray. I think this is our first chit-chat. I usually try to respectfully disagree. My arrogance is not warranted. I admit I set up a trap, unfortunately you fell into it. we'll just mix the squirrel meat with the rabbit stew and call it a day.

[jefjef]

Firearms in the United States out number citizens. That way when we empty one we have a back up and they are NOT just bird and squirrel guns.

[Phatscotty]