Mexican Violence/Liberal Silence

[Phatscotty]

I like this game in the topic title:

Mexican Violence/Liberal Silence/Conservative Decadence/Criminal Offense/Declaration of Independence!

Where else can we go with connections?


--Andy

This probably would not be as big as it is if there was not a nuclear explosion concerning the hatred/violence of the tea party in this forum...

[PLAYER57832]

Just out of curiosity Can a illegal immigrant be considered a refugee?

no I really do not think so. Case in point, Anyone who can make it to American soil from Cuba is automatically granted the right to file for citizenship. Political refugees are accept almost with no questions asked. This statement may not be 100% correct, But I know if you make it here from Cuba, you are in.

Your statement is almost entirely incorrect, the only slight exception is some Cuban immigrants. Otherwise, there is a fair contingent of those applying for assylum who initially came here illegally, as well as many who came, at first, on a limited basis, but have overstayed and are not considered "illegal", even while completing the legal processes.

Furthermore, many applicants are jailed and have to fight their cases from jail, without access to citizen resources.

[Borderdawg]

Just out of curiosity Can a illegal immigrant be considered a refugee?

no I really do not think so. Case in point, Anyone who can make it to American soil from Cuba is automatically granted the right to file for citizenship. Political refugees are accept almost with no questions asked. This statement may not be 100% correct, But I know if you make it here from Cuba, you are in.

Your statement is almost entirely incorrect, the only slight exception is some Cuban immigrants. Otherwise, there is a fair contingent of those applying for assylum who initially came here illegally, as well as many who came, at first, on a limited basis, but have overstayed and are not considered "illegal", even while completing the legal processes.

Furthermore, many applicants are jailed and have to fight their cases from jail, without access to citizen resources.

The incorrect statement is yours, player.
Have you never heard of the wet foot/dry foot policy for Cubans?
Plainly stated, U.S. policy toward Cubans is: if caught at sea, deported. If caught on dry land, allowed to stay and issued green card.

[Phatscotty]

you think im in denial of problems with mexicans in america? Man, Im in denial that im 34 and cannot grab the rim on a basketball goal anymore. But other than my personal ego denial, I am (I think) in touch with mexican illegals and citizens living in america and causing problems for the established non mexican (illegal and citizen) persons in america.

Think im kind of in touch with that problem.

Im going to play basketball. I like riot videos, keep posting them. Humans pretty much show us there is no god in riot videos. Nothing closer to an example of human chimpanzees in existence.

One thing that pissed me off a little in your post about me... "Still cant condemn violence?" man my whole damn life has been one of violence. I finally condemned myself, quit and moved to mexico to try to become less condemned. I dont need your assumptions lumped onto me in a CC forum.

k thanx

Well then you probably should not have been calling the tea party a violent movement....

Because what we have going on is a real movement of violence and none of the people who were dominated with worries of violence from the tea party are saying jack shit when there is blood in the streets of border states concerning illegal activities like slavery, sex slavery, human smuggling,these are some of the largest human rights violations in the world.

[edwinissweet]

i have a feeling that some of you mightve been against the civil rights movement

[Phatscotty]

i have a feeling that some of you mightve been against the civil rights movement

hmm, well I just made my position clear against illegal immigration on a basis of HUMAN rights that are atrociously interlink with the illegal "human trade". This is disgusting and I am quite sure there will be less sex slavery and drug smuggling in Arizona.

if you were talking to someone else, nevermind.

[PLAYER57832]

i have a feeling that some of you mightve been against the civil rights movement

hmm, well I just made my position clear against illegal immigration on a basis of HUMAN rights that are atrociously interlink with the illegal "human trade". This is disgusting and I am quite sure there will be less sex slavery and drug smuggling in Arizona.

if you were talking to someone else, nevermind.

The Arizona law will just make the trade more violent and drive victims further underground. At best, they may move to other countries.

[Borderdawg]

i have a feeling that some of you mightve been against the civil rights movement

hmm, well I just made my position clear against illegal immigration on a basis of HUMAN rights that are atrociously interlink with the illegal "human trade". This is disgusting and I am quite sure there will be less sex slavery and drug smuggling in Arizona.

if you were talking to someone else, nevermind.

The Arizona law will just make the trade more violent and drive victims further underground. At best, they may move to other countries.

And exactly how is this law going to make the human smuggling trade any more violent? Please enlighten us.

[Baron Von PWN]

i have a feeling that some of you mightve been against the civil rights movement

hmm, well I just made my position clear against illegal immigration on a basis of HUMAN rights that are atrociously interlink with the illegal "human trade". This is disgusting and I am quite sure there will be less sex slavery and drug smuggling in Arizona.

if you were talking to someone else, nevermind.

Oh please, you could care less about the well being of illegals. Illegals are poor desperate people who are willing to take a whole lot of risks just to work for shitty wages in shitty jobs you seriously think deporting for them is going to help their well being? You think they went through all the trouble of illegally migrating and working in shitty unregulated jobs and deporting them back to whatever place it was worth to go through all the trouble to get away from will be helping illegals?

Of course you don't that would be stupid. In truth you don't give a rats ass what happens to illegals so long as what happens to them means they are out your country. Someone who actually cared about their well being would push for immigration reform and an amnesty. So please don't pretend to be some champion of human rights when fighting to deport desperate poor people.

[PLAYER57832]

i have a feeling that some of you mightve been against the civil rights movement

hmm, well I just made my position clear against illegal immigration on a basis of HUMAN rights that are atrociously interlink with the illegal "human trade". This is disgusting and I am quite sure there will be less sex slavery and drug smuggling in Arizona.

if you were talking to someone else, nevermind.

The Arizona law will just make the trade more violent and drive victims further underground. At best, they may move to other countries.

And exactly how is this law going to make the human smuggling trade any more violent? Please enlighten us.

Because the stakes for the traders increase. I did not say it was nice now, I said it will get worse. Also, this raises the stakes against the victims, as well. They are now even less likely to get help than they were before.

Anyway, look at what has happened in previous crackdowns.

[PLAYER57832]

i have a feeling that some of you mightve been against the civil rights movement

hmm, well I just made my position clear against illegal immigration on a basis of HUMAN rights that are atrociously interlink with the illegal "human trade". This is disgusting and I am quite sure there will be less sex slavery and drug smuggling in Arizona.

if you were talking to someone else, nevermind.

Oh please, you could care less about the well being of illegals. Illegals are poor desperate people who are willing to take a whole lot of risks just to work for shitty wages in shitty jobs you seriously think deporting for them is going to help their well being? You think they went through all the trouble of illegally migrating and working in shitty unregulated jobs and deporting them back to whatever place it was worth to go through all the trouble to get away from will be helping illegals?

Of course you don't that would be stupid. In truth you don't give a rats ass what happens to illegals so long as what happens to them means they are out your country. Someone who actually cared about their well being would push for immigration reform and an amnesty. So please don't pretend to be some champion of human rights when fighting to deport desperate poor people.

I agree, but I have to say that I do believe human trafficking offends even Phattscotty. The trouble is, he sees no connection between laws like this and the absolutely horrible aspects of the issue.

[Borderdawg]

i have a feeling that some of you mightve been against the civil rights movement

hmm, well I just made my position clear against illegal immigration on a basis of HUMAN rights that are atrociously interlink with the illegal "human trade". This is disgusting and I am quite sure there will be less sex slavery and drug smuggling in Arizona.

if you were talking to someone else, nevermind.

Oh please, you could care less about the well being of illegals. Illegals are poor desperate people who are willing to take a whole lot of risks just to work for shitty wages in shitty jobs you seriously think deporting for them is going to help their well being? You think they went through all the trouble of illegally migrating and working in shitty unregulated jobs and deporting them back to whatever place it was worth to go through all the trouble to get away from will be helping illegals?

Of course you don't that would be stupid. In truth you don't give a rats ass what happens to illegals so long as what happens to them means they are out your country. Someone who actually cared about their well being would push for immigration reform and an amnesty. So please don't pretend to be some champion of human rights when fighting to deport desperate poor people.

Don't know about scotty, but I really don't give a rats ass about the illegals as long as they are gone from here. How about we establish a bus route direct from Mexico to Canada, and ya'll can have them. Hell, I'll start a donation drive to pay for the bus tickets! How does that sound to ya, sweet pea?

[Baron Von PWN]

i have a feeling that some of you mightve been against the civil rights movement

hmm, well I just made my position clear against illegal immigration on a basis of HUMAN rights that are atrociously interlink with the illegal "human trade". This is disgusting and I am quite sure there will be less sex slavery and drug smuggling in Arizona.

if you were talking to someone else, nevermind.

Oh please, you could care less about the well being of illegals. Illegals are poor desperate people who are willing to take a whole lot of risks just to work for shitty wages in shitty jobs you seriously think deporting for them is going to help their well being? You think they went through all the trouble of illegally migrating and working in shitty unregulated jobs and deporting them back to whatever place it was worth to go through all the trouble to get away from will be helping illegals?

Of course you don't that would be stupid. In truth you don't give a rats ass what happens to illegals so long as what happens to them means they are out your country. Someone who actually cared about their well being would push for immigration reform and an amnesty. So please don't pretend to be some champion of human rights when fighting to deport desperate poor people.

Don't know about scotty, but I really don't give a rats ass about the illegals as long as they are gone from here. How about we establish a bus route direct from Mexico to Canada, and ya'll can have them. Hell, I'll start a donation drive to pay for the bus tickets! How does that sound to ya, sweet pea?

We have reasonable immigration and work permit laws so it would be fine.

[Nobunaga]

... But they'd be jumping the border south to get seen by a doctor without having to wait six months.

...

[Phatscotty]

i have a feeling that some of you mightve been against the civil rights movement

hmm, well I just made my position clear against illegal immigration on a basis of HUMAN rights that are atrociously interlink with the illegal "human trade". This is disgusting and I am quite sure there will be less sex slavery and drug smuggling in Arizona.

if you were talking to someone else, nevermind.

The Arizona law will just make the trade more violent and drive victims further underground. At best, they may move to other countries.

Why can not the avoidance of breaking a law take precedent? WHY?

[Phatscotty]

i have a feeling that some of you mightve been against the civil rights movement

hmm, well I just made my position clear against illegal immigration on a basis of HUMAN rights that are atrociously interlink with the illegal "human trade". This is disgusting and I am quite sure there will be less sex slavery and drug smuggling in Arizona.

if you were talking to someone else, nevermind.

Oh please, you could care less about the well being of illegals. Illegals are poor desperate people who are willing to take a whole lot of risks just to work for shitty wages in shitty jobs you seriously think deporting for them is going to help their well being? You think they went through all the trouble of illegally migrating and working in shitty unregulated jobs and deporting them back to whatever place it was worth to go through all the trouble to get away from will be helping illegals?

Of course you don't that would be stupid. In truth you don't give a rats ass what happens to illegals so long as what happens to them means they are out your country. Someone who actually cared about their well being would push for immigration reform and an amnesty. So please don't pretend to be some champion of human rights when fighting to deport desperate poor people.

Sorry man, I stopped reading your post at; you telling me what I care about and do not care about....

[Phatscotty]

i have a feeling that some of you mightve been against the civil rights movement

hmm, well I just made my position clear against illegal immigration on a basis of HUMAN rights that are atrociously interlink with the illegal "human trade". This is disgusting and I am quite sure there will be less sex slavery and drug smuggling in Arizona.

if you were talking to someone else, nevermind.

The Arizona law will just make the trade more violent and drive victims further underground. At best, they may move to other countries.

And exactly how is this law going to make the human smuggling trade any more violent? Please enlighten us.

Because the stakes for the traders increase. I did not say it was nice now, I said it will get worse. Also, this raises the stakes against the victims, as well. They are now even less likely to get help than they were before.

Anyway, look at what has happened in previous crackdowns.

Perhaps the "traders" will start to "fear" the breaking of the "law".....perhaps????

If your argument is that there is nothing we can do about modern day slavery and child abuse and we should just accept that it is going to exist, then never mind

[Phatscotty]

i have a feeling that some of you mightve been against the civil rights movement

hmm, well I just made my position clear against illegal immigration on a basis of HUMAN rights that are atrociously interlink with the illegal "human trade". This is disgusting and I am quite sure there will be less sex slavery and drug smuggling in Arizona.

if you were talking to someone else, nevermind.

Oh please, you could care less about the well being of illegals. Illegals are poor desperate people who are willing to take a whole lot of risks just to work for shitty wages in shitty jobs you seriously think deporting for them is going to help their well being? You think they went through all the trouble of illegally migrating and working in shitty unregulated jobs and deporting them back to whatever place it was worth to go through all the trouble to get away from will be helping illegals?

Of course you don't that would be stupid. In truth you don't give a rats ass what happens to illegals so long as what happens to them means they are out your country. Someone who actually cared about their well being would push for immigration reform and an amnesty. So please don't pretend to be some champion of human rights when fighting to deport desperate poor people.

Don't know about scotty, but I really don't give a rats ass about the illegals as long as they are gone from here. How about we establish a bus route direct from Mexico to Canada, and ya'll can have them. Hell, I'll start a donation drive to pay for the bus tickets! How does that sound to ya, sweet pea?

We have reasonable immigration and work permit laws so it would be fine.

OH, the ignorant bliss of not having to share a border with the country of Mexico!

[PLAYER57832]

... But they'd be jumping the border south to get seen by a doctor without having to wait six months.

...

Uh... that is how it is now, and WITHOUT any federal insurance, only private payment plans.

[PLAYER57832]

The Arizona law will just make the trade more violent and drive victims further underground. At best, they may move to other countries.

And exactly how is this law going to make the human smuggling trade any more violent? Please enlighten us.

Because the stakes for the traders increase. I did not say it was nice now, I said it will get worse. Also, this raises the stakes against the victims, as well. They are now even less likely to get help than they were before.

Anyway, look at what has happened in previous crackdowns.

Perhaps the "traders" will start to "fear" the breaking of the "law".....perhaps????

How naive ARE you? These are the ones who could care less about any laws. I mean seriously, on what planet do you think human trafficking is currently legal?

If your argument is that there is nothing we can do about modern day slavery and child abuse and we should just accept that it is going to exist, then never mind

No, that is most definitely not my argument.

My argument is that wasting time rounding up otherwise law-abiding workers, who would work here legally if there were any route for them to do so (there IS NOT right now, guest worker, etc programs are pitifully small) takes up resources that could go to fighting real crime AND means that more and more real criminals are the only ones able to pass the gauntlet to get here.

So, rather than decreasing the real problems, you increase them. Except for those who consider simply seeing a brown face here to be "a problem".

[beezer]

i have a feeling that some of you mightve been against the civil rights movement

No, it's probably just indigestion you're experiencing because you got a bad burrito from some B-rated Mexican taco shop.

[Nobunaga]

.... Except for those who consider simply seeing a brown face here to be "a problem".

... And there it is, ladies and gentlemen. She just couldn't help herself.

...

[thegreekdog]

.... Except for those who consider simply seeing a brown face here to be "a problem".

... And there it is, ladies and gentlemen. She just couldn't help herself.

...

I'm going to be labeled traitor here, but Player is right. That's exactly what this is about. It's about the brown faces. Illegal immigrants from Mexico work (unlike some people who are citizens of this country). Therefore, I welcome them with open arms. I say let them all in. Reform the immigration laws. If you want to be here, you're not a criminal, we sign you up, give you a social security number, and you start paying taxes (and then getting a credit).

But that's not going to happen, because God forbid we get some more brown people in the US. You guys are flat out wrong on this one.

Now, should they be taught in Spanish in public school and have Spanish signs and get all sorts of amenities? No way. Italians, Germans, Greeks, etc. all had to learn the language, Mexicans can too. That's where I draw the line. But let the dudes in. Who cares? It doesn't affect you one bit.

[PLAYER57832]

Now, should they be taught in Spanish in public school and have Spanish signs and get all sorts of amenities? No way. Italians, Germans, Greeks, etc. all had to learn the language, Mexicans can too. That's where I draw the line.

Me, too. And I speak as someone who lived and went to school in a country where I did not know the language.

The truth is the immigrants historically result in BETTER working conditions and a better state of living for us all. Why now, is it suddenly supposed to be different. And, no, please don't cry "illegal". As both greekdog and I have said, if there were anything close to true and legitimate opportunities for Mexicans and other Latino groups to come here, we would not have the huge fence-popping problem.

[thegreekdog]

If you take a look throughout history, you'll see the establishment population of the US railing against immigrants (legal and illegal). That's where words like "wop" and "dago" and "mick" come from. The Anglo-Americans hated the Irish in the 19th century. The Anglo-Americans and the Irish hated the Chinese in the 19th century. The Anglo-Americans and the Irish hated the Italians, Greeks, and Eastern Europeans in the early 20th century. And now the Anglo-Americans, Irish, Italians, Greeks, and Eastern Europeans hate the Mexicans.

The difference here is that the rest of those people were assimilated, learned the language, and became productive members of society. That's what we need to do here. Having Arizona police go around questioning brown people isn't going to have any positive consequences. This is the most politically unsavvy move I've ever seen (as an aside) by the Republican Party. Ever. Mexicans are about as Christian conservative as you can get.