Japan's Disaster and Morals

[PLAYER57832]

Player, no matter how many times I type with you, you never fail to amaze me. Your logic is outstandingly insane. You shift my earlier positions into something else, and then beat them down. It's a waste of time to argue with you because you'll just change what I said, and then beat it down.

You misinterpret and never ask for clarification.

You'll argue to death over the most minute points (and even irrelevant points) while ignoring the main point.

The TRUTH is you are, as tonkaed says, attempting to lay the blame on the victims here and then are going through backflips and gyrations in your attempt to justify that as a reasonable position.

You cannot say "well if they had kids and something happens, it was just their choice" and then claim its not to say they just should not have chosen to have kids.

You ARE laying blame and you ARE claiming that people in earthquake zones really should not have kids or expect any sympathy if something happens, because they chose to have those kids.

[BigBallinStalin]

I would like to discuss the possibility of transplanting Japan to China, and force all of the Chinese in the new Japanese area out.

Be my guest.

[PLAYER57832]

Anyway, I'll maintain these stances:

I don't sympathize with the people of Japan regarding this situation because:

1) Those who were affected are responsible for the consequences of their own decisions. This is one of the costs for taking that risk.

Yes, and you specifically cited the decision to have kids as one of those "risks"

(not to mention you seem to think there is some place large enougha nd with enought jobs for everyone who lives in earth quake zones)

2) This is yet another mainstream media event. There are thousands of other people dying elsewhere, yet people don't sympathize for them. Most people arbitrarily sympathize with what's popular. It's a silly game, and I choose not to play it.

In this you are partially correct.
Still, those people have more long term complex problems. This is immediate and direct and, unlike those situations, it is a case where a small amount (relatively small) of money, time and energy will allow the Japanese to get back on their feet and again be providers of help instead of takers of help. In those other cases, the process is very long and complicated.

To clarify, I'm not saying that their actions were right or wrong.

No, you are just saying that every decision they have made.. to have kids, to be born, to not relocate to another country means this was their "choice".

[BigBallinStalin]

Player, no matter how many times I type with you, you never fail to amaze me. Your logic is outstandingly insane. You shift my earlier positions into something else, and then beat them down. It's a waste of time to argue with you because you'll just change what I said, and then beat it down.

You misinterpret and never ask for clarification.

You'll argue to death over the most minute points (and even irrelevant points) while ignoring the main point.

The TRUTH is you are, as tonkaed says, attempting to lay the blame on the victims here and then are going through backflips and gyrations in your attempt to justify that as a reasonable position.

You cannot say "well if they had kids and something happens, it was just their choice" and then claim its not to say they just should not have chosen to have kids.

You ARE laying blame and you ARE claiming that people in earthquake zones really should not have kids or expect any sympathy if something happens, because they chose to have those kids.

Blame attributes to one's decisions the concept of "right and wrong." I'm not dictating what's right or wrong.

I'm not claiming that they shouldn't have kids. (facepalm times a million) I'm saying those who choose for others are responsible for the consequences of whatever befalls upon those who they chose for. That statement is NOT a justification on whether or not one should have kids. It simply isn't, and I have no idea how to further visually masticate that for you, so that it's easier for your brain to digest.

And finally, do you suffer from a mentally-debilitating disease?

[got tonkaed]

Anyway, I'll maintain these stances:

I don't sympathize with the people of Japan regarding this situation because:

1) Those who were affected are responsible for the consequences of their own decisions. This is one of the costs for taking that risk.

2) This is yet another mainstream media event. There are thousands of other people dying elsewhere, yet people don't sympathize for them. Most people arbitrarily sympathize with what's popular. It's a silly game, and I choose not to play it.

To clarify, I'm not saying that their actions were right or wrong.

Your right hand doesnt know what is in your left hand. I happily applaud you using the correct transition because!

Again the English language works against you here. May I presume you would generally feel sorry for someone if they took actions that we would agree were the "right ones" but still ended up with a negative outcome?

You are using two different justifications two explain why you dont feel the need to feel sorry for people in Japan. One of these justifications depends a great deal on the idea of consequences for actions. At this point I will offer you the opportunity to pick a better word other than blame. You have yet to do so in the thread.

[BigBallinStalin]

Anyway, I'll maintain these stances:

I don't sympathize with the people of Japan regarding this situation because:

1) Those who were affected are responsible for the consequences of their own decisions. This is one of the costs for taking that risk.

Yes, and you specifically cited the decision to have kids as one of those "risks"

No, I didn't. You inserted that. The risks that I were talking about are the risks associated with disaster-prone areas.

(not to mention you seem to think there is some place large enougha nd with enought jobs for everyone who lives in earth quake zones)

Do you understand what I said about why people to choose to live somewhere? Answer with a simple "yes" or a "no."

2) This is yet another mainstream media event. There are thousands of other people dying elsewhere, yet people don't sympathize for them. Most people arbitrarily sympathize with what's popular. It's a silly game, and I choose not to play it.

In this you are partially correct.
Still, those people have more long term complex problems. This is immediate and direct and, unlike those situations, it is a case where a small amount (relatively small) of money, time and energy will allow the Japanese to get back on their feet and again be providers of help instead of takers of help. In those other cases, the process is very long and complicated.

However you want to justify spending your money and spending your sympathies is fine with me. Just understand that most people arbitrarily sympathize with one group instead many others--especially when the mainstream media tells them to.

To clarify, I'm not saying that their actions were right or wrong.

No, you are just saying that every decision they have made.. to have kids, to be born, to not relocate to another country means this was their "choice".

We've already discussed this, and obviously nothing was processed by your brain. I explained how a parent can make decisions for their own children, since they aren't rationally able to decide for themselves. Since the parent has done this, they bear that responsibility. Do you understand? Yes or No?

There's no choice in being born somewhere. I've already admitted that. But at a certain age, there is a choice in CONTINUING to live somewhere. Maybe if I type the important key words in capitals, you'll have a higher chance of correctly interpreting what I type.


GOD DAMNIT! I did it again. I just wasted 10 minutes typing to player. f*ck ME. I've been trolled whether or not she's trolling me.

From this post on, I'll never take her seriously again.

[Timminz]

"tought luck, your own fault".

*rimshot*


Nicely done, Player. Timminz approves.

[pimpdave]

I choose to let the moon control the tides.

[BigBallinStalin]

Thank you, got tonkaed for taking the time to post. I've wasted way too much time on this forum with player (which was my own poor decision), but I look forward to reading your posts and carefully consider what you have to say.

As for everyone else who doesn't care to scroll through semi-entertaining (or not at all amusing) bits of chatter, then below I'll summarize what I'm talking about. Keep in mind however, that what's below isn't exactly accurate of what I've been saying, but I'll just pay the price in re-explaining what I was saying earlier (and after skimming through got_tonkaed's post, I may have to reposition my stance).

I don't sympathize with the people of Japan regarding this situation because:

1) Those who were affected are responsible for the consequences of their own decisions. This is one of the costs for taking that risk.

2) This is yet another mainstream media event. There are thousands of other people dying elsewhere, yet people don't sympathize for them. Most people arbitrarily sympathize with what's popular. It's a silly game, and I choose not to play it.

To clarify, I'm not saying that their actions were right or wrong. And as a caveat, parent's make decisions for their own children, so the parents are responsible for their own decisions related to the lives of those dear to them.

[BigBallinStalin]

I choose to let the moon control the tides.

[Metsfanmax]

This just in: Man stabbed in Detroit says he deserved it, because "well duh, I chose to live in the most violent city in America."

[JPcelticfc]

Thank you, got tonkaed for taking the time to post. I've wasted way too much time on this forum with player (which was my own poor decision), but I look forward to reading your posts and carefully consider what you have to say.

As for everyone else who doesn't care to scroll through semi-entertaining (or not at all amusing) bits of chatter, then below I'll summarize what I'm talking about. Keep in mind however, that what's below isn't exactly accurate of what I've been saying, but I'll just pay the price in re-explaining what I was saying earlier (and after skimming through got_tonkaed's post, I may have to reposition my stance).

I don't sympathize with the people of Japan regarding this situation because:

1) Those who were affected are responsible for the consequences of their own decisions. This is one of the costs for taking that risk.

2) This is yet another mainstream media event. There are thousands of other people dying elsewhere, yet people don't sympathize for them. Most people arbitrarily sympathize with what's popular. It's a silly game, and I choose not to play it.

To clarify, I'm not saying that their actions were right or wrong. And as a caveat, parent's make decisions for their own children, so the parents are responsible for their own decisions related to the lives of those dear to them.

Oh dear god please tell me this is a wind up!!

This is the stupidest rationale ever!! thats like saying lets not feel sorry for the murder victum, it was his "decisions" that led him into being the wring place!!!

The world is one big risk zone!!! And yes people are dying right around the world that don't get as much attention!! that is wrong but thats not to say we don't feel sorry for them. Just because its not in the public eye, it doesn't mean there no work being done for them. Look at the amount of charities. I'm climbing Mount Kilimanjaro in the summer to help give kids in Africa a better education. Of course there is going to be more attention given to Japan right now!! JUst like there was for Libya/Egypt before it, or haiti last year!! its up to date news!! its not a media event!! do ya really think that the media are that sick that they want to report on these things just for ratings?

Basically how you can't feel sorry for people who are massively suffering is beyond me!! maybe u should have a closer look at yourself!!

[Baron Von PWN]

BBS I agree, I feel no sympathy for 9/11 victims they should have chosen a building less enticing to commercial aircraft to work in.

[Johnny Rockets]

Hi Stalin. Big Fan here, long time browser, first time poster.


Regardless of how you feel towards the Japanese, you posted your controversial opinion knowing full well it would generate a passionate WTF reply.

You defended your position very easily, because your logic is sound, as is all logic when you removed the emotional component from it.

But you know this.

So my question to you: Why the douchbaggery? You knew damn well how this thread would evolve, and you perpetrated it and maintained your stance, seemingly for your own amusement.

You just get bored or something?


JRock

[pimpdave]

I have no sympathy for you J-Roc, you chose to be born so its your fault.

simmasayin?

[natty dread]

Does this mean we shouldn't have sympathy for the victims of the holocaust because they chose to live in Germany?

[pimpdave]

Does this mean we shouldn't have sympathy for the victims of the holocaust because they chose to live in Germany?

That's exactly what it means.

[Army of GOD]

I have sympathy for the Japanese, but I really don't understand some things about the way our society deals with things.

I have sympathy for nearly every person who's dying, I don't know why, but I feel bad for everyone...even the evil piece of shits. That being said, I don't get why we do some of the things we do.

I don't get funerals. I don't get why we force ourselves to be sad. Yes, we lost a dear friend or family member, but I surely don't want people to be SAD when I die. I want my funeral to be fucking awesome. I want there to be motherfucking slip-n-slides and I want everyone to get drunk and shit. None of this "everyone wear black, make stupid jokes and make crappy smalltalk with familiars discussing 'memories' they had with me in them".

Feeling bad or sorry for someone really only does more bad. You're lowering your own life span by being sad (being sad does that, right?) and it's not like it brings them back to life. Yea, honor the dead, but I think it's stupid to lose sleep over it.







Also also, Upstate New York is pretty fucking safe. We have about 1 earthquake per 5 years, and yea it snows a shit-ton but if you're not an idiot and drive slowly in the winter then you won't have trouble.

[pimpdave]

I guess as you get older you also learn more of the value of ceremony. Graduations, weddings, funerals. These are ceremonies that we as humans have done for a long long time, and while in some regard they are silly, experience enough of them and personally, and you start to learn why it's valuable.

We are social creatures and ceremony is part of that.

You know, even elephants have group mourning sessions for their dead. We aren't alone in doing that sort of thing.

[Army of GOD]

I guess as you get older you also learn more of the value of ceremony. Graduations, weddings, funerals. These are ceremonies that we as humans have done for a long long time, and while in some regard they are silly, experience enough of them and personally, and you start to learn why it's valuable.

We are social creatures and ceremony is part of that.

You know, even elephants have group mourning sessions for their dead. We aren't alone in doing that sort of thing.

f*ck that shit.

[Army of GOD]

Also:

I guess as you get older you

[Timminz]

This:

I guess as you get older you also learn more of the value of ceremony. Graduations, weddings, funerals. These are ceremonies that we as humans have done for a long long time, and while in some regard they are silly, experience enough of them and personally, and you start to learn why it's valuable.

Also:

simmasayin?

[HapSmo19]

Does this mean we shouldn't have sympathy for the victims of the holocaust because they chose to live in Germany?

That's exactly what it means.

Don't forget the ones that saw the writing on the wall and left in order to not bother us for our sympathies. They deserve our thanks.

[pimpdave]

Does this mean we shouldn't have sympathy for the victims of the holocaust because they chose to live in Germany?

That's exactly what it means.

Don't forget the ones that saw the writing on the wall and left in order to not bother us for our sympathies. They deserve our thanks.

Apparently it was also the American Indians' fault so many of them died from smallpox because they accepted the risk of not getting vaccinated.

[BigBallinStalin]

Does this mean we shouldn't have sympathy for the victims of the holocaust because they chose to live in Germany?

That's exactly what it means.

Don't forget the ones that saw the writing on the wall and left in order to not bother us for our sympathies. They deserve our thanks.

Apparently it was also the American Indians' fault so many of them died from smallpox because they accepted the risk of not getting vaccinated.

That's pretty good. So was the one about the guy getting stab, but there's more personal control involved in that situation like practicing situational awareness.