Logic dictates that there is a God!

Fieryo · Post by **Fieryo** » Thu May 18, 2006 4:20 pm

vtmarik wrote:*sits at a distance, laughing and eating popcorn whilst watching the chaos*

Suck on that Fundies!

dude, just because they believe differently than you does not mean they are wrong.

PaperPlunger · Post by **PaperPlunger** » Thu May 18, 2006 4:24 pm

yeah, that contradicted his whole point too.

vtmarik · Post by **vtmarik** » Thu May 18, 2006 4:25 pm

Fieryo wrote:dude, just because they believe differently than you does not mean they are wrong.

Did I ever say that they were wrong? No. I merely presented my paradigm and politely told everyone else to shove their own worldview up their ass instead of down others' throats.

vtmarik · Post by **vtmarik** » Thu May 18, 2006 4:26 pm

thegrimsleeper wrote:Before the author of the thread calls you a heretic, I just want to give you a high 5.

High 5 accepted and returned brother!

PaperPlunger · Post by **PaperPlunger** » Thu May 18, 2006 4:43 pm

vtmarik wrote:I merely presented my paradigm and politely told everyone else to shove their own worldview up their ass instead of down others' throats.

sounds like you're saying they are wrong, pretty much by telling people to shove it up their ass, and that you are right.

I'm just attempting to start an argument

howie · Post by **howie** » Thu May 18, 2006 4:46 pm

I belive there is a God, I am not Christian, Jew, Muslim or Sikh, I simply belive there is a God.

I could do what most have done on here and explain my feelings for this, but my beliefs don't require me to do this, belive what you want but at the end of the day is there any point in argueing over it, we will only know when we have moved on from this world.

vtmarik · Post by **vtmarik** » Thu May 18, 2006 4:49 pm

howie wrote:I belive there is a God, I am not Christian, Jew, Muslim or Sikh, I simply belive there is a God.

I could do what most have done on here and explain my feelings for this, but my beliefs don't require me to do this, belive what you want but at the end of the day is there any point in argueing over it, we will only know when we have moved on from this world.

See? A rational mind at last!

*throws confetti in the air*

vtmarik · Post by **vtmarik** » Thu May 18, 2006 4:52 pm

PaperPlunger wrote:sounds like you're saying they are wrong, pretty much by telling people to shove it up their ass, and that you are right.

I'm just attempting to start an argument

Ah alright then. Bully for you!

Sounds like your doing that too Buddy! Let's just agree to disagree and have a slap-fight!

PaperPlunger · Post by **PaperPlunger** » Thu May 18, 2006 4:52 pm

right-o

PaperPlunger · Post by **PaperPlunger** » Thu May 18, 2006 4:53 pm

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I win.

vtmarik · Post by **vtmarik** » Thu May 18, 2006 4:55 pm

*becomes slapped and takes a dive* Yep, you win.

*quietly collects the cash from my bookie and slips out of the thread, giggling maniacally*

PaperPlunger · Post by **PaperPlunger** » Thu May 18, 2006 4:57 pm

so... we have two andy's now?

jay_a2j · Post by **jay_a2j** » Thu May 18, 2006 5:05 pm

lol someone who doesn't have faith in God telling others that God wouldn't create hell and then turn around and give us free will.

You obviosly are not well versed in scripture.

God created man.

Sin came into the world.

God and man could not have a relationship because of sin.

God sent the messiah so mans sins could be forgiven thus enter eternal life with him.

now on the topic of free will..... God gave man free will because he wants our love given freely. If we choose to turn our back on God...we choose to live in eternity without him (FREE WILL)

However this has absolutly nothing to do with the topic at hand. The knoledge of weather God exits or not is a heartbeat away....or should I say a last heartbeat away. Instead of spending so much time trashing christians or any religion for that matter you might want to check out what they believe and why? Cause if any of them are right and you are wrong... you'll have a very long time to ask yourself "Why was I so against God?"

Six feet isn't so far down.

Black Jack · Post by **Black Jack** » Thu May 18, 2006 5:20 pm

Which messiah... most religions claim to have at least one.

jay_a2j · Post by **jay_a2j** » Thu May 18, 2006 5:29 pm

Black Jack wrote:Which messiah... most religions claim to have at least one.

This would go into a debate on which religion is the true religion. All of them cannot be right as they believe different things. So research them all find one that makes sense to you.

*** has anyone ever found the remains of Jesus?***

thegrimsleeper · Post by **thegrimsleeper** » Thu May 18, 2006 5:31 pm

I found the remains of Jesus in my backdoor.

jay_a2j · Post by **jay_a2j** » Thu May 18, 2006 5:35 pm

"you will be held accoutable for every vile word that you speak"

Black Jack · Post by **Black Jack** » Thu May 18, 2006 5:37 pm

Is it important that the remains of the Prophet Jesus be known?

In 2,000 years... will anyone know where our remains are located?

Let the poor man rest in peace.

jay_a2j · Post by **jay_a2j** » Thu May 18, 2006 5:40 pm

Black Jack wrote:Is it important that the remains of the Prophet Jesus be known?

In 2,000 years... will anyone know where our remains are located?

Let the poor man rest in peace.

The point is there ARE NO remains. and much more than a mere prophet.

thegrimsleeper · Post by **thegrimsleeper** » Thu May 18, 2006 5:45 pm

No offense, but just because nobody knows where his remains are doesn't mean he was ressurected. Nobody knows where Waldo is, it doesn't mean he suddenly sprung to life and walked off the page.

jamie_hayes · Post by **jamie_hayes** » Thu May 18, 2006 5:45 pm

yh let HIM!!!!!!

Black Jack · Post by **Black Jack** » Thu May 18, 2006 5:47 pm

and much more than a mere prophet.

Hhhhmmmm, you claim to believe in God, but have broken one of his Commandments...

Thou shall take no gods before me

The false concept that Jesus was divine... did not occur until 2-3 centuries after his death.

Jesus was born a Jew, lived as a Jew and died as a Jew.

He never claimed anything else.

jay_a2j · Post by **jay_a2j** » Thu May 18, 2006 6:08 pm

Black Jack wrote:
and much more than a mere prophet.
Hhhhmmmm, you claim to believe in God, but have broken one of his Commandments...

Thou shall take no gods before me

The false concept that Jesus was divine... did not occur until 2-3 centuries after his death.

Jesus was born a Jew, lived as a Jew and died as a Jew.

He never claimed anything else.

You do not know what you are talking about. Jesus said, I and the Father are ONE.

Jesus also said, "Tear down this temple and in 3 days I will raise it up" <<< Jesus here was refering to himself (3 day resurection) Who has the power to resurect the dead except God! Yet here Jesus says, "I will raise it in three days!"

A little lesson on the divinity of Christ.

vtmarik · Post by **vtmarik** » Thu May 18, 2006 7:44 pm

jay_a2j wrote:lol someone who doesn't have faith in God telling others that God wouldn't create hell and then turn around and give us free will. You obviosly are not well versed in scripture.

And you obviously aren't well-versed in grammar, spelling, or common sense.

God created man.

Duh.

Sin came into the world.

I don't recall God ever creating Hell or Sin in Genesis. Can you point me to the chapter and verse where he does?

God and man could not have a relationship because of sin.

God and Man could not have a relationship because if Man was to behold God's true form his feeble mind would be obliterated by the sheer power of God's presence. Or are you claiming that a being as powerful as God could be matched by Man?

now on the topic of free will..... God gave man free will because he wants our love given freely. If we choose to turn our back on God...we choose to live in eternity without him (FREE WILL)

You don't know what Free Will really means because you've surrendered it to some group of men in robes who claim to know what God thinks. Doesn't it seem the least bit presumptous that these robed men would interpret God's word for you, rather than telling you to form your own opinions?

However this has absolutly nothing to do with the topic at hand. The knoledge of weather God exits or not is a heartbeat away....or should I say a last heartbeat away. Instead of spending so much time trashing christians or any religion for that matter you might want to check out what they believe and why? Cause if any of them are right and you are wrong... you'll have a very long time to ask yourself "Why was I so against God?"

Well, I don't know the knowledge of God's Weather, because I don't have access to that particular forecast. </sarcasm>

How is that comment on topic? You didn't discuss the nature of God at all, just a bunch of misspelled idle threats about how I'm going to Hell. Your post is as off-topic as my own!

Six feet isn't so far down.

Very good sentence Jay. Short, but pointless.

vtmarik · Post by **vtmarik** » Thu May 18, 2006 7:50 pm

jay_a2j wrote:You do not know what you are talking about. Jesus said, I and the Father are ONE.

Jesus also said, "Tear down this temple and in 3 days I will raise it up" <<< Jesus here was refering to himself (3 day resurection) Who has the power to resurect the dead except God! Yet here Jesus says, "I will raise it in three days!"

A little lesson on the divinity of Christ.

Jesus also said after his miracle of healing that "Your faith has healed you." He didn't say "I healed you."

Think about that for a moment. If the man's faith healed him, then what was Jesus doing? The answer? Nothing.

Jesus wasn't sent here to die for our sins or to redeem mankind or any of that nonsense. Jesus was sent here as an object lesson. It was God's way of telling us "Here is a Man without free will. He will say some important things and then he will die because that's why I sent him down there."

God is the ultimate spokesperson for questioning authority. Think about it. Would you let yourself get nailed to a cross if your Mom or Dad told you to do it?

Jesus was God's tool. Through Him, God was telling Man to stop blindly following and to start thinking for himself. "Or else," God warned, "You'll end up letting yourself get nailed to a cross for simply saying how groovy it would be to be nice to each other for a change."

Logic dictates that there is a God!

Does God exist?