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Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 1:07 pm
by Vincent M
Well any ideas guys I am all ears

Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 2:58 pm
by Selin
we are 16.
what are the probabilities to lynch a townie / mafia for combinations 14/2, 13/3 and 12/4?

Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 3:06 pm
by everywhere116
87.5%, 81.25%, and 75% respectfully.

Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 4:22 pm
by Aimless
Vincent M wrote:I dont think voting this early is a good thing. Use your Brains and examine. I don't want to be lynching towies because of Stupidity
A random vote has a slight probability of killing a mafia on day one. Furthermore, the vote record is information, and without information, this game is lost.

On the other hand, unless there are some strange roles in this game, the probability that the mafia kills itself is zero. Therefore, the town cannot win by voting no lynch. Even if the vote on day one is random, it's better than not voting at all.

Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 4:23 pm
by mandalorian2298
vote spiesr for the No lynch bullshit.
Fos unriggable for not unvoting

Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 4:33 pm
by Selin
Aimless wrote:
Vincent M wrote:I dont think voting this early is a good thing. Use your Brains and examine. I don't want to be lynching towies because of Stupidity
A random vote has a slight probability of killing a mafia on day one. Furthermore, the vote record is information, and without information, this game is lost.

On the other hand, unless there are some strange roles in this game, the probability that the mafia kills itself is zero. Therefore, the town cannot win by voting no lynch. Even if the vote on day one is random, it's better than not voting at all.
hmmm. interesting.
if we lynch someone pure randomly without having a suspicion, that can only help mafia, because in 4 out of 5 cases a townie will be killed. that means those who are for voting randomly, are highly probable from mafia.

that post doesn't seem to me "aimless" :!:

FOS aimless

Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 4:35 pm
by Selin
aimless,

how many mafia games have you played before?

Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 4:37 pm
by everywhere116
Selin wrote:
Aimless wrote:
Vincent M wrote:I dont think voting this early is a good thing. Use your Brains and examine. I don't want to be lynching towies because of Stupidity
A random vote has a slight probability of killing a mafia on day one. Furthermore, the vote record is information, and without information, this game is lost.

On the other hand, unless there are some strange roles in this game, the probability that the mafia kills itself is zero. Therefore, the town cannot win by voting no lynch. Even if the vote on day one is random, it's better than not voting at all.
hmmm. interesting.
if we lynch someone pure randomly without having a suspicion, that can only help mafia, because in 4 out of 5 cases a townie will be killed. that means those who are for voting randomly, are highly probable from mafia.

that post doesn't seem to me "aimless" :!:

FOS aimless
I am not saying that we lynch a random person. We lynch the most suspicious. We always lynch someone. Even if it was town, we will see who voted for him, because most likely mafia are in there. Mafia also like to bandwagon.

Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 4:38 pm
by pancakemix
If a townie does get killed, then we can eliminate bandwagoners the next day, so the random lynch does have some logic to it.

Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 4:44 pm
by Aimless
Selin wrote:hmmm. interesting.
if we lynch someone pure randomly without having a suspicion, that can only help mafia, because in 4 out of 5 cases a townie will be killed. that means those who are for voting randomly, are highly probable from mafia.

that post doesn't seem to me "aimless" :!:

FOS aimless
You are looking at this the wrong way.

First, if the town votes completely at random, then on any given day the odds are bad, but if you look at the composite odds across the entire game, they are actually rather good that we will get at least one mafia. (With sixteen players, assuming three mafia, if the town is always wrong the game will last 5 days, assuming no SK or extra killing role. Thus, the odds that the town is wrong every time is 13/16*11/14*9/12*7/10*5/8 = 0.209. So, voting at random, the town has a 79% chance of nailing at least one mafia in the first five days. Not shabby. The odds for four mafia are similar.)

But, more importantly, one of the best tells in this game is the voting record. If no one ever votes, for fear of voting off a mafia, the mafia will win. And, if no one votes on day one, we have no information to work with on day two and are right back to where we started.

Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 4:46 pm
by pancakemix
FOS aimless for being too smart :wink:

Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 4:47 pm
by Aimless
Selin wrote:aimless,

how many mafia games have you played before?
Not that many. This is my 4th game at this site, and I've played a few before elsewhere.

I know the general principles involved, though.

Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 4:48 pm
by Selin
what does bandwagon mean?

Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 4:50 pm
by unriggable
Hmm, wise words Aimless...

Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 4:53 pm
by everywhere116
Selin wrote:what does bandwagon mean?
When praticaly everyone votes for the same person, normally in a short period of time?

Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 4:59 pm
by spiesr
UNOVTE
VOTE mandalorian2298
for bandwagoning

Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 5:43 pm
by unriggable
spiesr wrote:UNOVTE
VOTE mandalorian2298
for bandwagoning
Give us a detailed reason, until then, FOS spiesr

Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 6:02 pm
by spiesr
unriggable wrote:
spiesr wrote:UNOVTE
VOTE mandalorian2298
for bandwagoning
Give us a detailed reason, until then, FOS spiesr
After spiesr gets a couple of vote, mandalorian2298 posts this:
mandalorian2298 wrote:vote spiesr for the No lynch bullshit.
Fos unriggable for not unvoting

Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 6:21 pm
by Colaalone
VOTE COUNT
Spieser (3) [derfderf34, mandalorian2298, unriggable]
mandalorian2298 (1) [Spieser]
unriggable (1) [pancakemix]

With 16 alive it takes 9 to lynch

Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 6:26 pm
by Anarkistsdream
Hey everyone... I am in for Minkish...

Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 6:35 pm
by unriggable
I'm such an idiot I never unvoted that joke vote...

UNVOTE


Still FOS Spiesr

Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 7:33 pm
by pancakemix
Thanks for reminding me

unvote

Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 8:29 pm
by derfderf34
FOS Spiesr evn though i already voted for him

Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 8:47 pm
by I GOT SERVED
oh yeah.....unvote

Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 9:08 pm
by unriggable
The unvote revolution begins and ends.