Conquer Club

Jenos Ridan wrote:Ok then, if you feel threatened by the man's views, THEN DON"T POST ON HIS THREADS! You folks tell us christians to stay off of yours so why bother us on ours?

Thats RIGHT! Stay off all those Atheism threads we keep starting!

Oh...wait...there arent any threads are there.

So, exactly what threads are christians being told to stay out of? Hmmm?

Now...please excuse me. I have to nail someones head to a tent floor.

Dancing Mustard wrote:

Caleb the Cruel wrote:

Danmagnet wrote:I think baptisms or any form of religious indoctrination should also be banned for under 18s.

Jesus said, "Let the Children come to Me and do not prevent Them; for the Kingdom of God belongs to such as These. Amen I say to you, whoever does not accept the Kingdom of God like a Child will not enter it."

Harry Potter said; "Quick Ron, Voldemort will be in the Chamber of Secrets already!"

ok first off, you have to take anything that come from fox news w/ a grain of salt. they are the most biased news organization since the yellow journalism of the early 20th century.
secondly, there was no talk of banning or burning the bible, just telling people that there is some serioulsy messed up stuff inside. since we are quoting stuff, here's a little ditty from the old testament. (background there is an angry mob outside of Lot's house who want the angels visiting Lot turned over to them) he says
Genesis 19:8 Look i have two daughters who are still virgins. Let me bring them out to you and you can do anything you want with them. But don't do anything to these men; they are guests in my house and i must protect them.
then a little later after God destroys Sodom and Gomorrah while fleeing lot gets funky w/ his daughters.
Genesis 19:32-33 Come on, lets get our father drunk, so that we can sleep wth him and have children by him. That nioght they gave him wine to drink, and the older daughter had intercourse with him. But he was so drunk that he didn't know it.
So we haven't made it out of the first book of the bible and already we have a father offering to let a mob rape his daughters, then we have incest (written in a way to make it the females fault), oh and we also have drunken disorderly conduct. now tell me, if all this was put to music wouldn't that cd have a warning label about explicit content?

gimpyThewonder wrote:

Dancing Mustard wrote:

Caleb the Cruel wrote:

Danmagnet wrote:I think baptisms or any form of religious indoctrination should also be banned for under 18s.

Jesus said, "Let the Children come to Me and do not prevent Them; for the Kingdom of God belongs to such as These. Amen I say to you, whoever does not accept the Kingdom of God like a Child will not enter it."

Harry Potter said; "Quick Ron, Voldemort will be in the Chamber of Secrets already!"

ok first off, you have to take anything that come from fox news w/ a grain of salt. they are the most biased news organization since the yellow journalism of the early 20th century.
secondly, there was no talk of banning or burning the bible, just telling people that there is some serioulsy messed up stuff inside. since we are quoting stuff, here's a little ditty from the old testament. (background there is an angry mob outside of Lot's house who want the angels visiting Lot turned over to them) he says
Genesis 19:8 Look i have two daughters who are still virgins. Let me bring them out to you and you can do anything you want with them. But don't do anything to these men; they are guests in my house and i must protect them.
then a little later after God destroys Sodom and Gomorrah while fleeing lot gets funky w/ his daughters.
Genesis 19:32-33 Come on, lets get our father drunk, so that we can sleep wth him and have children by him. That nioght they gave him wine to drink, and the older daughter had intercourse with him. But he was so drunk that he didn't know it.
So we haven't made it out of the first book of the bible and already we have a father offering to let a mob rape his daughters, then we have incest (written in a way to make it the females fault), oh and we also have drunken disorderly conduct. now tell me, if all this was put to music wouldn't that cd have a warning label about explicit content?

But JESUS FULFILLED THE OLD LAW. The OT doesn't matter anymore - except for gaybashing purposes or for whining when the 10 commandments are taken down from schoolrooms and courthouses. But apart from that - heresy!

Dancing Mustard wrote:
Jay's arguments seem to revolve around repeating these things:
"I'm a Christian, so you should all just accept my opinions on how things should be done"

Never said this

"When you're dead then you'll see how wrong you are"

Never said this either

"Euuuhhh, this is just christian bashing"

Said this about ONE post

"John-Paul-Gaultier 3.12, 'thou shalt not pad thy bra'. There, it's in an old book, you have to agree with it"

This is speculation, your words not mine



QFT

Call it a "sarcastic summary", jay. We know you never said that in those words, but the underlying structure IS there. I remember you as a good debater about a year back, what happened?

Caleb the Cruel wrote:

Danmagnet wrote:I think baptisms or any form of religious indoctrination should also be banned for under 18s.

Jesus said, "Let the Children come to Me and do not prevent Them; for the Kingdom of God belongs to such as These. Amen I say to you, whoever does not accept the Kingdom of God like a Child will not enter it."

Yes and Danmagnet said "Let thine children form thine own thoughts for it is those who choose the path of salvation for thineself who are truly blessed"

A quote from the bible cannot physically justify itself. It's like trying to define a word by using the word itself.

Backglass wrote:

Jenos Ridan wrote:Ok then, if you feel threatened by the man's views, THEN DON"T POST ON HIS THREADS! You folks tell us christians to stay off of yours so why bother us on ours?

Thats RIGHT! Stay off all those Atheism threads we keep starting!

Oh...wait...there arent any threads are there.

So, exactly what threads are christians being told to stay out of? Hmmm?

Now...please excuse me. I have to nail someones head to a tent floor.

I concede, I couldn't find the threads. But, your agenda is clear, as transparent as the glass mentioned in your name .

Tent floor? Nail head? Pff, I'd like to see this be attempted.

I thought these warning labels were already in effect?

Warning Label wrote:WARNING: This a work of fiction. Do NOT TAKE it literally.

CONTENT ADVISORY: Contains verses descriptive or advocating suicide, incest, bestiality, sadomasochism, sexual activity in a violent context, murder, morbid violence, use of drugs or alcohol, homosexuality, voyeurism, revenge, undermining of authority figures, lawlessness and human rights violations and atrocities.

EXPOSURE WARNING: Exposure to contents for extended periods of time or during formative years in children may cause delusions, hallucinations, decrease cognitive and objective reasoning abilities, and in extreme cases, pathological disorders, hatred, bigotry, violence including but not limited to fanaticism, murder and genocide.” endanger your mental health and life”.

I can't see where the label says "endanger your mental health and life”

Danmagnet wrote:Well regardless of whether the book can be considered indecent or not I would support the notion that the Bible should be banned for under 18s, as should any religious book. I do wonder how many people take up religion because of their own free will and what percentage is just because they were brought up with it and not to question it.

I think baptisms or any form of religious indoctrination should also be banned for under 18s. If you're not old enough to cast a meaningless vote for a government that will ignore you anyway you're certainly not old enough to decide what to believe with regards to your existence, worldly conduct and the afterlife.

you really do not know what you are talking about. Banning the bible and other religious texts for those under 18 will not stop their parents and other members of society from influencing them with religion. I know people who are christians, who go to church every sunday and pray basically every night and still have not read the bible all the way through. Banning the book would do nothing.

O.K I'm under 18 heres my view on this

If you have to be over 18 to buy a book how ridiculous There are no other books in the world which is banned from selling the bible. I agree in every sense it should be burned but I've read books which have amazingly bad language and rape in

MeDeFe wrote:Call it a "sarcastic summary", jay. We know you never said that in those words, but the underlying structure IS there. I remember you as a good debater about a year back, what happened?

QFT

Thanks for summarising the point that Jay so spectacularily missed.

I would suspect this is only a good idea if you actually want the youth to start reading it.

I certainly understand why christians would be against this.

If the youth read the bible, instead of letting people that may have read portions of it in seminary trying to get through the "determine what we want you to think this verse means" tests, tell them what their church wants them to think the book is about.

Churches might become empty because of all the potential members agreeing with Jesus and going outside to help poor people telling then God loves them, instead of going to listen to someone scare them, teaching that if they expose themselves to the public they'll burn or it will make them and their offspring crack smoking homosexuals or something.

Jenos Ridan wrote:I concede, I couldn't find the threads.

Thank you. Apology accepted.

Jenos Ridan wrote:But, your agenda is clear, as transparent as the glass mentioned in your name .

<sigh> OK Jenos whatever...but atheists aren't out to get you...really.

Jenos Ridan wrote:Tent floor? Nail head? Pff, I'd like to see this be attempted.

Sorry...just a nice "turn the other cheek", family values, biblical passage someone once told me.

strike wolf wrote:

Danmagnet wrote:Well regardless of whether the book can be considered indecent or not I would support the notion that the Bible should be banned for under 18s, as should any religious book. I do wonder how many people take up religion because of their own free will and what percentage is just because they were brought up with it and not to question it.

I think baptisms or any form of religious indoctrination should also be banned for under 18s. If you're not old enough to cast a meaningless vote for a government that will ignore you anyway you're certainly not old enough to decide what to believe with regards to your existence, worldly conduct and the afterlife.

you really do not know what you are talking about. Banning the bible and other religious texts for those under 18 will not stop their parents and other members of society from influencing them with religion. I know people who are christians, who go to church every sunday and pray basically every night and still have not read the bible all the way through. Banning the book would do nothing.

You don't know what you're talking about. I said all sorts of religious events, thus including baptisms or indeed church attendance for under 18s. Please read what I say before criticising it.

perhaps there should be "18" "15", "12" and "P.G" books!

2dimes wrote:I would suspect this is only a good idea if you actually want the youth to start reading it.

I certainly understand why christians would be against this.

If the youth read the bible, instead of letting people that may have read portions of it in seminary trying to get through the "determine what we want you to think this verse means" tests, tell them what their church wants them to think the book is about.

Churches might become empty because of all the potential members agreeing with Jesus and going outside to help poor people telling then God loves them, instead of going to listen to someone scare them, teaching that if they expose themselves to the public they'll burn or it will make them and their offspring crack smoking homosexuals or something.

Yay! Someone gets it! You win!

*hands you a cookie the size of the Vatican*

2dimes wrote:I would suspect this is only a good idea if you actually want the youth to start reading it.

I certainly understand why christians would be against this.

If the youth read the bible, instead of letting people that may have read portions of it in seminary trying to get through the "determine what we want you to think this verse means" tests, tell them what their church wants them to think the book is about.

Churches might become empty because of all the potential members agreeing with Jesus and going outside to help poor people telling then God loves them, instead of going to listen to someone scare them, teaching that if they expose themselves to the public they'll burn or it will make them and their offspring crack smoking homosexuals or something.

Just an observation. I have seen very few churches even mention hell much less "scare" congregations into submission with "hell tactics". For the most part it seems churches are afraid to talk about hell because it might scare people off (and hence, the collection plate will have very little money in it to do sky-daddy's work) <----- for backglass

jay_a2j wrote:it might scare people off (and hence, the collection plate will have very little money in it to do sky-daddy's work) <----- for backglass

Sweet.

I knew I should trade-marked it....

You'll make him an Atheist yet BackGlass, he's cracking, Sky-Daddy is just the first step on his road to recovery. He'll be cured of religion in no time

Dancing Mustard wrote:You'll make him an Atheist yet BackGlass, he's cracking, Sky-Daddy is just the first step on his road to recovery. He'll be cured of religion in no time

ROFL!

jay_a2j wrote:

2dimes wrote:I would suspect this is only a good idea if you actually want the youth to start reading it.

I certainly understand why christians would be against this.

If the youth read the bible, instead of letting people that may have read portions of it in seminary trying to get through the "determine what we want you to think this verse means" tests, tell them what their church wants them to think the book is about.

Churches might become empty because of all the potential members agreeing with Jesus and going outside to help poor people telling then God loves them, instead of going to listen to someone scare them, teaching that if they expose themselves to the public they'll burn or it will make them and their offspring crack smoking homosexuals or something.

Just an observation. I have seen very few churches even mention hell much less "scare" congregations into submission with "hell tactics". For the most part it seems churches are afraid to talk about hell because it might scare people off (and hence, the collection plate will have very little money in it to do sky-daddy's work) <----- for backglass

So it's kind of like scientology - don't tell them about the really far-out stuff until you have them well and truly snared, and have relieved them of as much cash as possible...

jay_a2j wrote:

Dancing Mustard wrote:You'll make him an Atheist yet BackGlass, he's cracking, Sky-Daddy is just the first step on his road to recovery. He'll be cured of religion in no time

ROFL!

Heh, glad you got the joke there. I hoped it wouldn't get taken the wrong way, and it didn't

heavycola wrote:

jay_a2j wrote:

2dimes wrote:I would suspect this is only a good idea if you actually want the youth to start reading it.

I certainly understand why christians would be against this.

If the youth read the bible, instead of letting people that may have read portions of it in seminary trying to get through the "determine what we want you to think this verse means" tests, tell them what their church wants them to think the book is about.

Churches might become empty because of all the potential members agreeing with Jesus and going outside to help poor people telling then God loves them, instead of going to listen to someone scare them, teaching that if they expose themselves to the public they'll burn or it will make them and their offspring crack smoking homosexuals or something.

Just an observation. I have seen very few churches even mention hell much less "scare" congregations into submission with "hell tactics". For the most part it seems churches are afraid to talk about hell because it might scare people off (and hence, the collection plate will have very little money in it to do sky-daddy's work) <----- for backglass

So it's kind of like scientology - don't tell them about the really far-out stuff until you have them well and truly snared, and have relieved them of as much cash as possible...

Hardly. The difference here is that hell is real but a lot of people don't want to hear about it. They know about it...just don't want to hear about it.

Backglass wrote:

Jenos Ridan wrote:I concede, I couldn't find the threads.

Thank you. Apology accepted.

Fair enough.

Backglass wrote:

Jenos Ridan wrote:But, your agenda is clear, as transparent as the glass mentioned in your name .

<sigh> OK Jenos whatever...but atheists aren't out to get you...really.

No, just that some seem to what to kill religon. But if that's not the case, fine.

Backglass wrote:

Jenos Ridan wrote:Tent floor? Nail head? Pff, I'd like to see this be attempted.

Sorry...just a nice "turn the other cheek", family values, biblical passage someone once told me.

I know that story, it is somewhere in Judges, now if only I could think were......
But then, if invaders came to your land and the only thing you had were tent spikes, assuming you're smart, I don't think you'd hestitate to use them.