Conquer Club

mookiemcgee wrote:

saxitoxin wrote:

jonesthecurl wrote:Sadly he's moved back to NJ -

It's sad that he moved, or sad that he moved to New Jersey?

Almost certainly both

Yup.
Though I do think NJ is far better than its reputation.

bigtoughralf wrote: the explanation that the emperor was afraid of their power didn't make any sense - the movie fairly clearly stated that the house full of bald guys was way more wealthy and powerful, so you'd have thought if he was going to backstab anyone it would have been them

House Harkonnen had arms and troops but House Atreides was gaining political support among the other houses of the Lansraad. House Corrino, the Emperor's house, owns the largest number of shares of stock in the CHOAM Corporation, which actually mines the Spice Melange, but the other houses - if they vote together - could outvote House Corrino. So the Padishah Emperor had to create chaos to prevent unity among the houses of the Lansraad.

The houses also can't engage in protracted war with each other because they each have an emergency store of nuclear weapons available as a last resort, so they have to resort to sneak attacks and sabotage. The use of nuclear weapons was banned after the destruction of Earth in the Jihad, but each house is allowed to keep some in reserve in case humanity ever encounters an alien species.

Well that was NOT made clear. The jihad vibe was pretty obvious though, the movie was quite transparently an analogy for the English invasion of Ireland.

Well the Jihad occurs 7,000 years before the events in the film when Faykan Butler leads a revolt called the Butlerian Jihad. In the final battle of the Jihad, Butler orders the destruction of Earth with nuclear weapons in order to take-out the government computer system Omnius. The human species retreats into deep space with its remaining nuclear weapons, bans computers, and descends into a feudal system of government. Some of this is explained in the prologue to the Lynch film.



(In the seventh book - set another 20,000 years after the events in the film - it's revealed that, unknown to anyone, Omnius launched a self-replicating construction probe into deep space moments before Earth was destroyed and has spent the last 27,000 years rebuilding itself in the Andromeda Galaxy. The events in Dune set into motion a sequence of events that leads to humans entering the Andromeda Galaxy, accidentally making contact with Omnius and revealing the location of the human species to it. The series then abruptly stops with the heavy implication that Omnius returns and wipes out the human species.)

anyone else find this slightly weird seeing saxi passionate about something other than Hot Pockets, US politics or Covid-19?

A sand planet, giant worms, a "chosen one", galactic plots, a mysterious "force", an evil emperor, Dune is nothing but a Star Wars rip-off.
I'm not gonna see it.




let's see who takes the bait first. i bet llama

Published in 1965.

lol, Max = smrt

saxitoxin wrote:

bigtoughralf wrote: the explanation that the emperor was afraid of their power didn't make any sense - the movie fairly clearly stated that the house full of bald guys was way more wealthy and powerful, so you'd have thought if he was going to backstab anyone it would have been them

House Harkonnen had arms and troops but House Atreides was gaining political support among the other houses of the Lansraad. House Corrino, the Emperor's house, owns the largest number of shares of stock in the CHOAM Corporation, which actually mines the Spice Melange, but the other houses - if they vote together - could outvote House Corrino. So the Padishah Emperor had to create chaos to prevent unity among the houses of the Lansraad.

The houses also can't engage in protracted war with each other because they each have an emergency store of nuclear weapons available as a last resort, so they have to resort to sneak attacks and sabotage. The use of nuclear weapons was banned after the destruction of Earth in the Jihad, but each house is allowed to keep some in reserve in case humanity ever encounters an alien species.

Wow, saxi gives a straightforward explanation about something.

Four thumbs up!

OH yeah, I also forgot one of my favorite scenes ... so much foreshadowing ... as the Harkonnen are leaving Arrakis, Chani says "Why did the Emperor choose this path, and who will our next oppressors be?" ... and then it instantly cut to Paul!!! I mean like just 5 seconds of super subtle set-up for the third movie! Like even if you aren't familiar with the text, but you're watching carefully, you get the sense that not everything is right with Paul.

And also this scene of Salusa Secundus!!!

I think that's subtext you're reading into the film because you've read the books tbh. I didn't get any bad vibes from Paul during the film. To me Chani's comment just sounded like the comment of a jaded desert person assuming the next house will be just as oppressive as the last, rather than anything prescient.

Also shout out to the actor who played that Fremen judge character, who some UK viewers will know from Top Boy as Ranell's mum. Another Top Boy actor storming Hollywood (Letitia Weight being another one).

riskllama wrote:anyone else find this slightly weird seeing saxi passionate about something other than Hot Pockets, US politics or Covid-19?

I think it's because he has a femboy fetish. Just look how devoted he is to that Chinese transexual who used to post here.

bigtoughralf wrote:

riskllama wrote:anyone else find this slightly weird seeing saxi passionate about something other than Hot Pockets, US politics or Covid-19?

I think it's because he has a femboy fetish. Just look how devoted he is to that Chinese transexual who used to post here.

More like the Chinese kid was devoted to me. Always trying to taste test my kielbasa. I finally had to say "BACK OFF."

More likely Vienna sausage.

saxitoxin wrote:

bigtoughralf wrote:

riskllama wrote:anyone else find this slightly weird seeing saxi passionate about something other than Hot Pockets, US politics or Covid-19?

I think it's because he has a femboy fetish. Just look how devoted he is to that Chinese transexual who used to post here.

More like the Chinese kid was devoted to me. Always trying to taste test my kielbasa. I finally had to say "BACK OFF."

Ambiguous response tbh

Normally I don't see posts from ralf, but since someone quoted it, I have this question:

Ralf's been here 60 days. Who the f*ck is he referring to so familiarly that "used to post here" and how TF does he know this?

Sounds like someone has returned. Shouldn't the mods check this out and axe this new douche?

I lol'd at dune being a star wars ripoff I read this in 71.

Dukasaur wrote:

mookiemcgee wrote:My biggest complaint? WTF were they doing with the bagpipes, that just seemed so out of place to me.

Did seem a little odd. But the Great Houses all have little things tying them to their semi-mythical ancestries on Old Earth. 99% of Old Earth's culture was lost in the Butlerian Jihad. The tiny little scraps that remain are cherished. I think the bagpipes are meant to be exactly this. A tiny little scrap of prehistoric human culture that survived the Jihad and signals House Atreides' pre-Jihad ancestry.

I've had additional thoughts on this.

Frank Herbert was strongly influenced by Lawrence of Arabia in designing the character of Paul.

I think the bagpipes are a homage to the cinematic rendition of Lawrence of Arabia.

KoolBak wrote:Normally I don't see posts from ralf, but since someone quoted it, I have this question:

Ralf's been here 60 days. Who the f*ck is he referring to so familiarly that "used to post here" and how TF does he know this?

Sounds like someone has returned. Shouldn't the mods check this out and axe this new douche?

I lol'd at dune being a star wars ripoff I read this in 71.

I mentioned it to Ralf in an inbox conversation, which is how he knows about it.

Dukasaur wrote:

Dukasaur wrote:

mookiemcgee wrote:My biggest complaint? WTF were they doing with the bagpipes, that just seemed so out of place to me.

Did seem a little odd. But the Great Houses all have little things tying them to their semi-mythical ancestries on Old Earth. 99% of Old Earth's culture was lost in the Butlerian Jihad. The tiny little scraps that remain are cherished. I think the bagpipes are meant to be exactly this. A tiny little scrap of prehistoric human culture that survived the Jihad and signals House Atreides' pre-Jihad ancestry.

I've had additional thoughts on this.

Frank Herbert was strongly influenced by Lawrence of Arabia in designing the character of Paul.

I think the bagpipes are a homage to the cinematic rendition of Lawrence of Arabia.

GOOD CALL!

saxitoxin wrote:

KoolBak wrote:Normally I don't see posts from ralf, but since someone quoted it, I have this question:

Ralf's been here 60 days. Who the f*ck is he referring to so familiarly that "used to post here" and how TF does he know this?

Sounds like someone has returned. Shouldn't the mods check this out and axe this new douche?

I lol'd at dune being a star wars ripoff I read this in 71.

I mentioned it to Ralf in an inbox conversation, which is how he knows about it.

Copy me. I don't believe you

Who else is PUMPED about Steven Spielberg's West Side Story? I was honestly skeptical but the trailer has me excited! Initially I thought they should have placed it in contemporary times, though I suppose it would be a little unbelievable to have a Puerto Rican street gang on the West Side of Manhattan in 2021. (Thanks, Giuliani!)

I skimmed the trailer and couldn't see any femboys. So what's got you so excited?

bigtoughralf wrote:I skimmed the trailer and couldn't see any femboys.

I heard you were starring in it.

This still from where Tony grabs the revolver from Riff during the fight between the Jets and the Sharks is incredible. It's like a painting. SO EXCITED.

DUNE Part 2, Trailer 2 just dropped ...

- 2 seconds you see Christopher Walken as the Padishah Emperor
- Start to foreshadow Paul's transformation into mad cult leader

I was very excited to hear this.